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 No.14467[Reply]

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Let's suppose that you live in a nation with a legal system like the U.S. with freedom of speech beyond what currently exists as a logical extreme, with no restrictions of any sort being set up at all in this new place.

For example, all websites would legally be able to advertise videos of real child abuse of sale, to post public plans of assassination, to share theories of how to use victim's stolen bank records, and all that.

Does there reach a clear-cut point in which too much freedom of speech damages other basic civic rights?

Suppose I, a hypothetical businessman named Bob Smith, get mad that my bank account data has been stolen and shared online. And I decide to fight for a "Government Censorship Act" that would legally prohibit the doxxing of people's sensitive information online, particularly by posting here-and-there credit card numbers. I proclaim "Americans should have less liberties and freedoms" because their speech has destroyed my "private property rights" in my activism.

Am I "evil"? Am I "bad"? Am I "wrong"? Am I "social-justice-warrior"? Am I "woke"? Am I "far left"? How far from the logical extreme is acceptable to go before people like me would become damned?

 No.14468

The short answer is no.

The long answer: Basic civil rights have to be defined, and any freedom of communication would have to be compared to civil rights as defined by its own system and therefore could absolutely not infringe upon them.

Now, how do we define civil rights, and how should we define civil rights?  That question is always up in the air.  Like surely we agree that you shouldn't be able to murder someone, but like you mentioned, does that mean you shouldn't be able to talk about murdering someone?  Is it your right to not be murdered?  And if so, is the state required to stop murder in every way possible, including arrest people who merely mention murder?  It's a tough question, because every step of freedom given up is a loss, and that isn't worth it until you witness enough murders to change your mind.

In more realistic and less theoretical terms, freedom of speech seems like it was originally intended to mean "the government we're forming won't imprison or assassinate you because you tell people you don't like us", which was and in some places still is a common problem.  That people have taken it to mean "I can literally say whatever I want and no one can do anything about it" leads to really weird situations, not the least of which is people going to websites that are technically private, pissing everyone off, and then saying they can't be removed because it violates their freedom of speech.


 No.14288[Reply]

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Can UK still be saved?
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 No.14448

>>14415

"instigated by pro-israeli types on behalf of Israel"

Do go on and explain

 No.14449

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People keep saying the UK is dying, but it still exists. When will they finally kill it so we can finally be done with the whole ridiculous thing?

 No.14456

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>>14449
Someday the dream of Welsh independence will be realised. Owain Glyndŵr's legacy is eternal.


 No.14428[Reply]

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You are all silly billies.
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 No.14445

>>14444
>>14443
Grade A silly billy here

 No.14446

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>>14444
Nah, Steam Twist won. Ponychan.net wouldn't have died if he hadn't cast that spell to avoid permaban.

>>14436
oh hot damnb got me there son

 No.14447

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 No.14368[Reply]

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The other thread got kind of derailed, so here's a new thread about tyranny in the UK.

https://x.com/aaronsibarium/status/1825977695361994875
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 No.14431

>>14430
Wouldn't "foreign citizens cannot travel to our territory in order to publicly lobby for different things" also be a viewpoint neutral speech rule? It's thoroughly applied fairly to all peoples on an equal level, right? And wouldn't it inherently make sense for citizens to be treated differently legally than non-citizens?

 No.14432

>>14431
>Wouldn't "foreign citizens cannot travel to our territory in order to publicly lobby for different things" also be a viewpoint neutral speech rule?
Yes.  But that alone doesn't mean that it is constitutional or good policy.  E.g., I think it would be a bad idea to imprison H-1B workers for speaking online about their grievances with the immigration system.

>And wouldn't it inherently make sense for citizens to be treated differently legally than non-citizens?
No, at least for anonymous/pseudonymous speech, because it isn't feasible to determine whether the speaker is a citizen or not.  And there is a 1A right to speak anonymously/pseudonymously.

 No.14433

Anyone should be able to say what they want, regardless of other people's feelings.


 No.14317[Reply]

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Some social media types are in hot water at the moment due to this independent study that alleges the coming of "a flood of ads on Facebook and Instagram that pointed users to third-party services where they could purchase prescription pills, cocaine and other recreational drugs."

< https://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/mark-zuckerberg-receives-letter-lawmakers-over-illicit-drug-ads-rcna166809 >

Is this a big deal? I'm not personally sure... because my instincts say... that the U.S. government is too censorship happy... doesn't it seem to be like that?

Maybe substances such as cocaine ought to be totally legalized in the U.S. in the first place? Is this a matter of basic freedoms? Maybe? Maybe not?
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 No.14355

>>14351
I don't think it's accountability.
It's responsibility, as in the USA assuming it's the addict's own responsibility to get out of their situation.
So there's no investment into social programs.

 No.14357

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It would eliminate a lot of unnecessary suffering. I also believe the price of drugs should be lowered and that we should be making a whole lot more of them. Pharmaceutical companies prey on a lack of education while actively trying to make the drugs you buy illegal for anyone else to grow or produce for every except for their own selves. They do this and then turn around telling everyone else that it's for our safety. It isn't. It's for profit. The cost of producing those drugs is mere pennies compared to their profits.

I suspect this is why education isn't free and a scam at the end of the day. They want to put a price tag on something that isn't material and pretend it is; knowledge. I've met so many people who know more about a subject than people with a degree in that subject. It's ridiculous. The biggest thing that holds people back from getting that piece of paper is money. Then you turn around and try to justify that piece of paper by ramping up the prices on a product because 'it's super duper hard to make guize!" Which is horseshit. Making drugs is a process that requires specific details and a sterile environment sure, but that doesn't justify the sheer level of greed in the industry.

It's similar to the same reason I hate a lot of fashion. People are selling you a shoe with the exact same materials as the next and pricing it at 500 dollars for a pair. It's absolutely stupid. The actual labor doesn't translate either. Sure, companies like that have to invest in machines for mass production, but the profits have long, long paid all of that off.

A good example is the price of insulin. It is ridiculous. Or what about the fact that if you donate plasma a lot of places might pay you like 50 bucks for a pint (and that's if you weight like 175lbs minimum) and then turn around and flip that pint for $800-$1600 a pop. And they get it from desperate people all of the time. It's predatory.

 No.14411

>>14351
>>14355
Both things are problems.


 No.13639[Reply]

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Looking back in at covid in hindsight what are your thoughts on how the world reacted?
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 No.14279

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>>14261
Bro are you a pizza cutter 'cause that's a lot of fuckin' edge you got there.

 No.14280

>>14261
From a pragmatic point of view, you're correct. That's the reason people would abandon or outright kill babies with deformities in the past. But humans aren't always pragmatic, and our emotions make things 'sticky'.

 No.14388

It was gay.


 No.14375[Reply]

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What reliable factual evidence exists that getting rid of all the Christians in the world (alongside all of the Jews and Muslims) would make the Earth a better place to live?

What support is there for this claim?
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 No.14380

>>14379
Nobody did.

 No.14381

As long as people fear death, spiritual beliefs and religions built around those beliefs will always exist

 No.14385

>Religion throughout human history

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY1XpTzLn0A


 No.13482[Reply]

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<Women are less intelligent than men. That means that women should have jobs that require much less mentally, such as working at home. This also protects men.>

Are all of these claims coming from many American football players the past few days correct? Are they wrong? What factual evidence exists to support these young athletic men's views, if any? Do you think that they're just being silly?
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 No.14364

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 No.14365

>>14364
>>14363
Ya know?
People get so hooked up on science and looking at averages and such likes. Honestly, I don't want to waste too much times on facts.

But even if all those "facts" re true, is it beneficial to start gatekeeping aspects of society, because women / black people / ... are supposedly not smart enough?

If I am in urgent need of a medical professional, it seems stupid to go out and say that I want to be helped by a male doctor only. And it seems problematic to refuse women from positions of power because they're not smart enough.
And are we now supposed to ban women from setting policy that affect their lives, because statistically men know better?

 No.14376

>>14365
I'd just like to point out that the American Medical Association used to have a policy in America of working with Jim Crow laws in order to allow medical patients who'd rather suffer than be helped by a black person make that choice.

Don't take my word for it. Look it up. Is horrifying.


 No.14327[Reply]

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Looks like I'm going to jail!

 No.14329

I'm with the U.K. government. Broadly speaking. If an individual wants to do any of these things to a victim (or justify it being done by others):

>raping them
>firing them from their jobs
>kicking them out of their homes
>preventing them from voting
>sexually harassing them short of raping them
>forcibly keeping them away from access to medical care
>destroying their personal property
>physically battering them in a non-sexual way

Or such. Well. Like. Yeah. That sounds like a direct threat to social order that requires law enforcement action as well as measures by the judicial system. Modern democracies such as the one in the U.K. are under extreme threat from domestic militants committing extremist acts.

Person A's civil rights and personal liberties end the exact moment that he/she/they actively intends harm to Person B and commits actions as a result of those beliefs. This seems completely reasonable to me. This is the understanding of "rights" that one would have from looking at the intellectual traditions that go back to John Locke, Thomas Jefferson, David Hume, Immanuel Kant, et al and the Age of Enlightenment. The underlying purpose of government in both theory and practice is to prevent specific forces from using coercing actions to harm others. And so on.

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 No.14335

>>14327

See ya


 No.14325[Reply]

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Why is Germany committing seppuku?

 No.14330

Americans on both the left and right as well as Canadian on both the left and right appear to be shit-for-brains-ish when it comes to their general opposition to nuclear power. Or so I've read. So, well, the North American types don't really have the ability to criticize the Germans on this without being massively hypocritical.


 No.14295[Reply]

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Why is it that transwomen and women get particularly female aggressive with one another?
Why is it that female to males, lesbians, gay males, and straight males get particularly male aggressive with one another?

 No.14296

Are you asking about the the fundamental nature of human aggression?  I don't know if there's an answer for that one.  It's just natural.

 No.14297

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What exactly is "female aggressive" ?

 No.14305

>>14297
It's when chicks get aggressive with each other solely on the fact that they're both chicks


 No.14169[Reply]

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Can't help but swallow the blackpill and admit this is probably true

I feel the same way about future tech/implants/bionics etc that allow us humans to stop aging or live much longer or like something that you could mean you no longer need to sleep and things like that

If those kinds of tech or pills or whatever were made do you really think you and I would get to have any of them?

Or do you think only the richest of the rich elites would get control over them and thus get to use them?
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 No.14183

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I predict that will a sky rocketing economy and our already currently undermanned military, that the masses will all rush to seek employment through joining the service. We will become like North Korea under the guise of democracy and capitalism, but become just as fucked up as those Red Communists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XxYwWg7F8I  

Time to grab your guns, folks. We've got commies to take care of.

 No.14185

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Nuclear technology was always an amoral tool.

The ethical choice by Western countries in the 1900s (and even mostly now in the 2000s) to use it almost exclusively as a way to kill the most people as efficiently... as a weapon... it's something that may be looked back on quite harshly.

An alternate, say, America exists somewhere in the multiverse that wisely used nuclear power related science to help bring millions out of poverty through smart industrial development.

So it is with AI. Use a tool for good. Or for evil. To build. Or to destroy. It happens because of your own morality. The tool itself is amoral. That's just how it is.

Left hand? Or right hand? What do you choose, looking at the image?

 No.14302

>>14169
Eh, I don't really think so.
I think what we'll get is a 'gig economy' like a fellow I know has coined it.
Which is to say, you use AI when you want general junk. You get a person when you want something personal. Or, really, want to support that person's craft.

Consider it like buying something handmade, instead of the usual chinese factory bulk-built clay guff.
Is it really any better? Honestly, most the time, no. But you pay more for it anyway, just because the person who's crafted it has value to you.


 No.14019[Reply]

Presidents in my life, graded:

>Reagan<
C - Social Issues, B - Economic Issues, B - Foreign Issues [B - Overall]

>Bush Sr.<
A, C, A [A - Overall]

>Clinton<
B, A, B [B - Overall]

>Bush Jr.<
F, F, F [F - Overall]

>Trump<
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 No.14259

>>14186
>>14221
Don't misunderstand me. I get it. Probably would like 'clussy' in my life as well.

 No.14285

Fuck. My negativity killed the thread. Ooopsie.

 No.14287

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>>14221
Why is it that our first instinctive thought is to project our own violent nature onto that which we do not understand? For all we know the clown species simply wants to be honked and stuffed into a tiny car with you.


 No.13807[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

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You can see the shooting here; https://twitter.com/PicturesFoIder/status/1812252806906081350
Pretty wild fare. You hear the shots, see him touch his head. Fortunately, it seems they missed, or at least for the injury to the head, only hit the ear.

Still; Much like Bolsonaro, this is very likely to garner him greater support, and images like this one seem to've caught the internet by storm.
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 No.14281

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>>14278
I must admit. You see the world quite differently from myself, and yet I am enjoying our conversation. I also like the texas cow avatar. It is fitting.
>Like how one of the reasons we have struggled so long to get something like universal healthcare is because of the fear that it might make social mobility easier for black people, but of course, they'll only admit it to you when they think that, because you're white and of a similar class background, that you might already agree.
Most of the people I've talked to who are against universal healthcare are against it for reasons that are pretty much every reasons except for "It'll help out the darkies!" And I've had some pretty racist friends in the past. Most of the reasons I've heard from those types of people is that they think it'll take away their ability to purchase more private healthcare, and that with universal government funded health care that they'll "End up stuck on a waiting list for a year just to get some cough medicine!"

The closest thing I've had to universal healthcare was the system they had for it in the military, and to be honest it was actually pretty nice. "I am sick." Coof coof "Uhh dude, go to medical." It was that simple. I think change like that scares people. I feel like if there are going to be two free services, health/dental and education should be them.
Prisoners and politicians: I feel like dealing with both are like dealing with demons vs devils in D&D. They're both gonna lie to you, but in distinctive ways.

>I am familiar with that view and I've always thought of it as a little narrow. I mean, human beings are a social species evolved for inter-dependence, and we're born with brains so underdeveloped that we are 100% dependent on others for survival for quite a long period of our lives as compared to other animals that often reach adult status within a year or less.

We're social and complex creatures, yes, but even within a social and complex creature the need to dominate and secure positions of power is written in our DNA. Look at Chimpanzees. Those things are arguably even more inclined towards violence and if you didn't know about them from a scientific point of view could be seen as hellspawn written straight out of myth and legend. They'rePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

 No.14283

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>>14281

>I must admit. You see the world quite differently from myself, and yet I am enjoying our conversation.

Everyone has their own experiences that shape their worldview. No one has the whole picture. Certainly not myself nor anyone else here. Dogmatic conviction about one's worldview is not really rational.

>I also like the texas cow avatar. It is fitting.

I'm much more of a stereotypical central Texas urban/suburban dwelling geek than a cowgirl, I'm just playing up the fact Im from there when establishing the origin point of my experiences that shape my worldview (so far).

>Most of the people I've talked to who are against universal healthcare are against it for reasons that are pretty much every reasons except for "It'll help out the darkies!"

Most people who aren't wealthy white old-money southern elites wouldn't be aware of the racism involved in the decades long battle against universal healthcare. A lot of the rhetoric against it as you relate originated in rhetorical strategy cooked up in political think tanks who understand that you can't convince lower and middle class people to support securing the position of power against the threat of social mobility. Lower and middle class whites are generally a lot less racists than the white upper class in the south, who are inheriting the culture of the old southern plantation class that's been working for the past 160 years to maintain their status in the south after the Civil War beginning with things like the 'lost cause' narrative and lots of more explicit attempts to maintain a racial caste system via things like Jim Crow era segregation to less explicit things like policy positions that made social mobility harder for people who were already poor ( https://youtu.be/X_8E3ENrKrQ?si=FHEvxsZH0gZwuRkX )

>I think change like that scares people. I feel like if there are going to be two free services, health/dental and education should be them.
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 No.14286

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>>14283
>I'm much more of a stereotypical central Texas urban/suburban dwelling geek than a cowgirl
I've only been to texas a handful of times. Houston, San Antonio, some small-little oil-rigging town, and Dallas. I did some disaster relief work out there for a while.
>wouldn't be aware of the racism involved in the decades long battle against universal healthcare
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxEZ4QaAAvI
My friend and I were talking about this yesterday. I tend to think it's more of a class bias than a racial one; minorities just tend to be in the lower classes due to whatever reason or another.
I can't really speak too much on the South because I haven't lived out there. I just don't fall into the whole conspiracy that taxes are coded as anti-black. I know the government has actually done some pretty shady stuff like the release of crack into black neighborhoods but to say that so many fingers would be in a single pie and remaining stable is pretty ridiculous; double so to claim when most people in the south advocate for less taxes. (Which is a die if you do, die if you don't think when it comes to the 'support' of black people. Do you argue that taxes are ruining their pockets on a day-to-day basis, or that healthcare programs ect can't be funded without them? This is why I hate talking about racial issues because at the end of the day there's no pleasing those people. There's a reason black people are nicknamed "Gimmedat's")

>Insulin
When it comes to dental/medical, a lot of hospitals and pharmaceutical companies know what they're doing. They're preying on a lack of availability in labs and knowledge to the public, but that doesn't it make it right when the actual cost of making medicine such as insulin is pocket change compared to the profit they make by selling the stuff. Let me give you an example: I used to donate plasma and would get paid like 50 dollars a bottle, which was a pint of plasma; an entire pint. They would then turn around and flip that bottle for like $800-$1600 to pharmaceutical companies.  
>Free education
I also feel like teachers across america should be paid more and that public educatPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


 No.14269[Reply]

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Is there a positive future possible for the peoples of Russia in the long term, looking years and years out past the horizon?

This music video screenshot is very related. I think.
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 No.14276

The future for Russia is the same it's always been (bar a small little break in the early to late 2000s)

Get drunkier and poorer every day while your goverment screws you over endlessly

 No.14277

>>14269
Probably. Last I heard, Russia isn't really doing that bad. At least, as far as the regular day-to-day stuff seems to go.

 No.14284

>>14276
That really could be so.


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