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>>16232
>Is superman woke
No.  Pic related.
https://twitter.com/christianjbdev/status/1944338806527668729

Reminder that Superman was created by working-class American Jews and fought both the Klan and Nazis from the beginning.

>>16233
>"That's not wokeness. That's [describe wokeness using other words]. I think that wokeness is more like [describe something that isn't wokeness and contradict yourself immediately]."
The brain worms look almost fatal for that one. Typical conservative these days given the post-factual, post-reality, and post-truth malaise that they live in. Alas.

>>16238
Huh?  Wokeness is quite different than traditional colorblind liberalism.  ChatGPT can explain it better than I can, so here is its explanation.

>>16238
>"Woke isn't what I don't like! It's whatever I want to say is great!"
Nah, m8.

>>16233
>>16238
>>16242
>>16243

'Wokeness' is just a conservative buzzword for social liberalism, or really anyone who acknowledges that racism still exists. It's also a strawman of a bunch of different ideas from different perspectives (and supposedly new) that are conflated into one supposedly monolithic ideology. But most of It's just a continuation of the same old social liberalism conservatives have hated since the civil rights movement.

>>16244
>, or really anyone who acknowledges that racism still exists.
No, it's patently obviously not.
You think that because, frankly put, you buy in to the left wing's propaganda whole cloth.

I am a conservative. I acknowledge racism exists. Hell, it's the basis for my main disagreement with the left these days;
Because they've consistently maintained for decades now that you can't be racist to white people.

As >>16233 points out, my position on racism, that says EVERYONE, regardless of race, ought receive the same consideration from the state, is something the left actively opposes.

>>16247

My perspective on this is based on living in a mostly conservative red state. My perspective on this is influenced by decades of consuming conservative propoganda going all the way back to the 90s. It's all been conflating multiple groups as a monolith of brainwashed people, when they actually disagree with each other, because they all agree on their opposition to conservatism. And then they strawman all of them via cherry-picking and exaggeration and presenting when two of them disagreeing with each other is 'proof' of some internal contradiction that's only there because the conservatives conflate different ideologiess and philosophies as part of the same monolithic ideology. Back then, it was 'political correctness' and today it's 'wokeness'.

And as a former conservative gone progressive, I can tell you that the left doesn't see anti-white racism as impossible, but that anti-white racism is inconsequential in America given the power dynamic between racial groups here in terms of both population numbers and wealth distribution.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/killings-in-washington-follow-series-of-attempted-terror-attacks-against-us-jews/amp/

Ahem.

Racism in America exists whether regular Americans are too blind to admit the fact or not.

The majority of both conservatives and liberals in America may ignore or otherwise not care about events such as these, but they still have happened and still matter: facts don't care about your feelings.

>>16249
>given the power dynamic between racial groups here in terms of both population numbers and wealth distribution.
Most Americans do not prioritize loyalty to their racial group.  Plenty of white leftists are happy to discriminate against fellow whites.

>anti-white racism is inconsequential in America
That is clearly false w.r.t. college admissions.

>>16251

Okay, but my point is that leftist do not say racism against whites is impossible. Leftism is about flattening hierarchies of power and recognizing that there is a privilege in being considered to be part of the same racial group as the most the most overrepresented racial group amongst the most powerful Americans. Now, I partly agree with that but my point was responding to a popular bit of a strawman argument on the right that the left doesn't believe racism against white people is possible. The left perspective is that institutional racism is a greater concern than interpersonal racism and there are absolutely plenty out there trying to restore institutional white supremacy in America.

Also, considering that ChatGPT's training data isn't vetted for factual accuracy, I'm dubious to the factual accuracy of any of ChatGPT's output

>>16249
Can't seem to copy paste your words at all, strangely. Anything else works, just not that post.
Whatever; I'll just assume you can grasp the context.

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That's exactly my issue. The left so not look at racism as wrong. So long as it's the right kind of racism. If it's directed at a group who has 'power', it doesn't matter. It's not a bad thing. It is totally irrelevant.

I fundamentally disagree with this mentality.
If racism is wrong, it's wrong full stop.
You ought be able to call it out wherever it is, instead of engaging in apologism and dismissials.

>>16253
>(same issue, maybe some new thing with ponyville?)
No, they just insist it doesn't matter, which frankly is worse.
Instead of standing behind a moral position, they excuse racism, because it's racism against the right kind of people.
I shouldn't need explain why this is so dangerous.

Anti-Asian discrimination in colleges is well documented at this point.
I do not belive you are ignorant of it.
Pretending to be only suggests the whole of this is obfuscation and dodging.

MAGA and the general right today is an identity politics based movement obsessed over categories and labels in which racism is bad if it's a 'not deserving victim' targeted and is good if it's a 'victim that deserves this'.

The brightest and most obvious example of this is how gun rights and gun ownership is considered something "deserved" or "not deserved" and the exact same MAGAs who open carry themselves will whine and urinate in their pants if, say, a black transgender women is open carrying in their same physical spaces. Or going into their same online spaces. Spend ten seconds in gun rights related debates in person and offline, and this MAGA segregation and identity impulse is as obvious as a literal elephant in a room.

MAGAs really like to psychologically project and pretend that it's centrists, libertarians, moderates, and everybody else that's racist specifically and obsessive about identity politics generally. It's pure projection. As the saying goes, "the accusations are confessions." I'll also say that MAGAs don't even pretend for the most part that they actually think that they're not racist and that literally everybody else who's not them is racist, since MAGAs even putting politics aside will do things like see black people at a gun range and moan angrily because their feelings got hurt (even when nobody really is watching them, and there's no argument being made just private complaining).  

>>16257
>MAGA and the general right today is an identity politics based movement obsessed over categories and labels in which racism is bad if it's a 'not deserving victim' targeted and is good if it's a 'victim that deserves this'.
You've described the left, not the right.

>and the exact same MAGAs who open carry themselves will whine and urinate in their pants if, say, a black transgender women is open carrying in their same physical spaces
While this is a common dishonest strawman propogated by the left, this is not true, as most anyone within the 2nd Ammendment community can tell you, as many will both celebrate and encourage the armament of such folk and otherwise are indifferent to the armament of any individual.

If you'd truly buy in to such things, I am not sure what to say.
Mostly because I do not believe you are capable of engaging with anything I might state.

>>16258
>engages in complete psychological projection in a total "no, you're me and I'm you" fashion
>doesn't make any actual arguments
>raises no intellectual points
I didn't expect any different.

At any rate, living in a world in which all of the moderates, all of the centrists, all of the libertarians, all of the democratic socialists, all of the liberals, and everybody who's "not right-wing" (which is sort of like putting "not bald" or "not having blue eyes" into a gigantic bucket) are supposedly racist shitbags... if we take the MAGA claim that they're blessed, sainted angels while everybody else not in their tiny group is inferior bastards and suppose that MAGA is correct that they're a kind of tribalist master race better than everybody else... that would still not make it justified for people on the right to be racist back against anybody in revenge. Anyways. In the first place. Since that's not how morality works.

"Other people do immoral things, therefore I can too" is the mindset of a whiny toddler. To be honest.

>>16261
Closing your borders and kicking out the people who came illegally is not racism.

>>16261
>all of the moderates, all of the centrists, all of the libertarians, all of the democratic socialists, all of the liberals,
Nobody is saying that but you.
That is because it is incredibly retarded.

Stop licking lead paint off the walls, and try engaging with what we're actually saying instead.