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This is the thread for continuing discussion on the PACT Act, visible in /arch/ here.


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For voting, in addition to "yes"/"no" option, I suggest an option "agree in principle but disagree with the wording".

For example, I would vote against "Rule 6. Do not bait or goad another user into engaging in rule-breaking content. In the event of such an occurrence, both the baiting user and baited user shall be found in violation of this rule...." because the text of rule can be interpreted as mandating punishment of a completely innocent party.  E.g., if someone baits Manley by saying "Manley is a ${insert_insult_here}", the literal text of rule can be interpreted as requiring that Manley be punished, even if he successfully ignores the bait and doesn't even respond to the thread at all.  Now, of course, I think by "occurrence" you mean "[the baited user] engaging in rule-breaking content" instead of "bait[ing] or goad[ing] another user", but that is ambiguous.


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I'll continue to just say that I am in support of the new rules.

I think right now the wording will just have to be cleared and clarified, but I am a fan of the changes, that is all.


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Having this as a section on the front page  of the site has always struck me as a combination of unsettling, bizarre, out of place, and maybe unnecessary.

I dunno. Is suicide such a frequent topic among members that the front page needs to mention it? And even if so, should it be mentioned on the front page? Does calling attention to suicides on the front page of a place called "Ponyville" make much sense? Does it do anything positive to have its own section?

I mean, if suicidal ideology was brought up in a thread, it would make sense to direct them to help within the context of that thread, of course. But to mention it on the front page of the site paints a really strange picture about the state of the userbase, and potentially what any outsiders might expect from users who frequent here.

Kinda just rambling, but ultimately I'm sorta just questioning, does this section really need to be on the front page? And why?
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The suicide clause was something i introduced to Ponychan, long before Ponyville came about, to protect the community from liability that arose from numerous suicide threads.

The issue then, and now, is thus: the administration and the moderatorship are not trained in suicide prevention or similar such techniques. Suicide threads, even if uncommon, absolutely do come up.

On Ponychan, what happened was, the staff had reason to suspect that a poster of a suicide thread had actually committed suicide, and had posted a thread seeking comfort or help of some kind, though perhaps not in such a direct manner.

The site's community at the time, though well intentioned, came up with all kinds of advice and psychoanalysis and such.

When the person therein had potentially killed themselves, that well intentioned advice, or trolling, or whathave you, became a danger to the site, and showed just how dangerous an instantaneous imageboard environment could be to a psychologically unstable person.

Take, for example, a suicide thread in which an OP says they cannot take life anymore and wants to kill themselves.

Let us say then, an anonymous troll, says "do it." And before a moderator can get to it, the OP sees it and follows through. This sort of situation doesn't just open us up to substantial liability, it is dangerous too for the individual who, in a moment of weakness, sought help from a dangerous place: a place that allows the unaccountable nature of anonymity.

The clause is not meant to discourage users from seeking comfort, but it is meant to protect the site front liability, and the user from perhaps seeking care from an environment of substantial risk.
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Yeah no, I don't think the site would have any legal liability for what users post.  It would be shielded under CDA Section 230 (47 U.S.C. § 230).  But I guess the existing policy is still a good idea just to nip in the bud those unpleasant threads.


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well, i admire you for taking the time to look through the USC to find relevant federal law. But your "yeah no ..." and certainty in the law, especially in the US code of all things, makes me feel like maybe you don't understand the scope of the law.

You will note, the USC is broad brush. What matters is less the exact letter of the law, per se, compared to what we've established as legal precedent.

That is to say, sure, we can interpret that 47 U.S.C. §230 shields our site and staff from suicide liability... but does it?

And the answer is, we're not sure. Suicide liability is a very uncovered area of the law: a wild place. The United States Code is a very thin outer layer of law.

Maybe a court would find that a site administrator that is friends with a suicidee counts as a special relationship, or that not answering a user with a history of suicidal posts with a clear answer that we aren't equipped to handle that sort of thing might be an act of negligence.

Maybe Ponyville isn't an "interactive computer service" as defined by statute. Which, it looks like, it arguably might not be.

Maybe suicidal conduct is not inclusive of the terms "obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, or otherwise objectionable ..."

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There are currently a couple of threads that seem to revolve around posting anime lolis. A few of the threads have really crude jokes and even sexual remarks about the girls.

I think this kind of content attracts a bad crowd. And it also reflects badly on anyone that shares a space with the people that post this kind of thing. Can we consider doing something about this maybe? There's just something really creepy about objectifying prepubescent girls no matter their "mental age".
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Yea, kinda this.

And I don't know how I feel about filters. I would rather skip over a thread that isn't breaking rules, rather than see it get filtered.


Spoilered images in general are kind of lame.


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That could also be a filter. To display spoilered images by default!


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As posted in a thread:

>>808539 (You)
That has nothing to do with any other thread Moony, that's teasing Manley for saying his toaster told him stuff.  

This reminds me, i wondered why my image of Pinky in a diaper was quietly deleted in that thread the other night without comment when 1) you discussed Noomy's image a great deal before deleting it and 2) artee posts pinky in a diaper all the time and it's not a problem.  Theres nothing sexual about the image i posted (in fact the opposite) and i see a much more fetishy pet-play Sonata than Noom's image posted all the time here and no one objects.  I think you know the Sonata on a leash image and artee's diapered pinky images im talking about.

I don't see how joking Manley about his phrasing of this OP, or the images that got deleted the other night are any different than a lot of what goes on around here and i'm not making a big deal out of it, i just want to point this out as inconsistent moderation since you bring it up.

It was just good clean fun and i think you're reading too much into it.

1.  Dark Knight doesn't have Superman in it,
2.  I didn't call Manley a furry.  
3.  Why so serious my friend?
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Don't feel bad for my mistake, lp.

As long as you are committed to a better relationship with Manley, i am very happy c:


I don't.  You shouldn't either.

Thank you, friend.

Edit:  i think you didn't make a mistake Moony.  In hindsight i think it was a good move.


Just trying to help since you seemed confused. I have better things to do than try to help you, though.


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Please an option to turn off YouTube embeds, or even better, do what 4chan does and load them only when the user specifically clicks a link to open the embed.  YouTube embeds are bloody slow when a page has a lot of them.
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Okay, its done. Check out the sticky on /pony/ for details.


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Please make this the default behavior on mobile.


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I'm leaving a batch of cupcakes for all the staff and developers who keep this place pretty fun.

Keep it going!
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It happened with shoe-fitting fluoroscopes and is happening with cigarettes.  Current research strongly indicates that overconsumption of sugar and other highly refined carbs is the main culprit behind the obesity epidemic.  Eventually, as the public becomes aware of this, countries will take measures to curtail consumption of sugar (and other highly refined carbs). (And those countries that don't will be weeded out by natural selection.)


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>and those countries that don't will be weeded out

You sounded great right until that line. I don't know what kind of world you think we live in, but countries typically aren't ended by their inability to regulate addictive substances.

Actually that is something that will likely happen.

Cutting out extra sugars, exercising and quitting smoking and drinking in moderation can add around 20 years of lifespan. If people are smart, they will realize eventually that current eating habits are very wack.

sauce: https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/abs/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.117.032047


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I will have a cupper today!


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I've been permabanned here for a good 12 months now 12 months of endless isolation but also 12 months to reflect upon the actions of mine that got me kicked off of here, most of where my anger issues stem from could be summarized in the above comic strip and I not only sought help for that since getting kicked off but also confronted the actual people who hurt me all those years ago instead of taking it out on you guys, a lot has happened over these last 12 months that got me to look at things in a different way, for starters I've been watching a lot of Hayao Miyazaki films and compared them to the show "Doug" and came to realize that Hayao Miyazaki gives a more acurate portrayal of how people interact with one another and that's who's characters I should have been paying attention to and emulating all that time and shall do so starting now, another thing that I should have been doing is thinking about how my actions would effect the people around me before I actually do it and I never did due to having the mindset at the time that "I should be allowed to be myself", I also tended to go ape s**t the moment someone misinterpreted me or called me names when what I should have been doing was being more patient with the people misinterpreting me and ignoring the people trolling me which I will do for now on.
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lost pony, stop.

You may not realize you're doing it but you're still being manipulative.

This pretentious "let's talk about your anger" lecture is useless, and you're STILL using Gundam to try to manipulate me.

Guess fucking what:

Setsuna does not forgive the people who hurt him. No one asks him to look at Ribbons or Ali and say "Yeah, I forgive you for all the pain you put me through."

All you're doing is making me hate you. I cannot fathom why you think, after I called you out about being manipulative and shitty, that you would continue to do this.

Stop. Trying. To. Get. Me. To. Forgive. Him.

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>Please! Everyday is pain without you guys!

Try sunflower seeds.


This is a huge mess.  I'd tell you to drop it, but I'm about to lock the thread anyway just in case.

Staff has seen the appeal, we can discuss it internally without this thread getting any more out of hand.  Appeals are meant to be done via email anyway, not threads.

Thorax edit:
>i find it a shocking, though illuminating, criteria that explains a lot of the double standard i am seeing applied in matters here currently
I'd respond at length but it looks like Mondo is shutting us down. Just want to insert this since it is kinda important. Please remember that the views expressed here are my own only and don't reflect on any other staff and the decisions we collectively make.


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lp... come now. never is there a need to get quite so condescending like that in an off-topic conversation that should, in the first place, be private.

the team has seen the appeal, and has been deliberating.

lp, your tone in this thread is, frankly, mystifying... and i'm going to ask you ... try not to go off with such personal matters unrelated to the thread topic here in /canterlot/.

Standards here, you will find, are much, much stricter than on /pony/.


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How exactly do I read things on or use this site while mobile?

Cause pic related isn't cutting it.
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Okay, this is hack, but it solves the problem: At the beginning of each
, insert the following:

   <div style="font-size: 1px">
     <span style="display:inline-block; min-width:250px;"></span>

and at the end of each
, insert this:

   <div style="font-size: 1px">
     <span style="display:inline-block; min-width:230px;"></span>
     <span style="display:inline-block; min-width:230px;"></span>
     <span style="display:inline-block; min-width:230px;"></span>

This will force the text below the image when there's not at least 250px of space to the right of the image.  The div of three spans at the end is needed to avoid bad things happening especially with embedded YouTube videos.
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I didn't use your code, but I did a thing to address the thing you want addressed. You might need to clear your phone's browser cache to see a difference. Let me know if the thing I did addressed the thing you want addressed.


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Oh wow that's much nicer. Text looks like it's going underneath the thumbnail. Can easily read posts now. Thank you!


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Why doesn't Ponyville.us give me any cookies?  Ponychan gives me 10 cookies!                                                                                 
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I've never even seen okra in person, I just know that it is evil. It's one of those instinctive things, you can tell at a glance that Satan is real and he made okra.




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When you're writing a post in the Quick Reply box, and you scroll up to the top of the page, the text from the Quick Reply box gets transferred to the Comment box at the top, but the image file doesn't.  If you then click the Post button at the top of the page, the image file doesn't get uploaded.  I think the image file should get transferred from the Quick Reply box alongside the text.
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For the next week or two I am putting in 12 hour days at work, so no code for you.


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>I am putting in 12 hour days at work
Oy vey, that's horrible!  Reminds me of crunch time in grad school before a conference deadline.  And those deadlines were often like 5:00 AM local time, and sometimes I was working literally minutes before the deadline.  Unpleasant.


Yeah, it's total shit. It is not usually this bad, but I always have one such project like this per year where I burn the candle from both ends and probably trim some years off the tail end of my life from stress.

On the bright side it can be nice to work when nobody else is in the office. Take my shoes off, turn the thermostat down, take mobile game and internet breaks liberally, sing loudly and stomp my feet. It's too bad there is ever anyone else in the office to begin with!


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Moony you promised Manley and myself a solid one-week ban if we squabbled again after the 12 hour ban.

In the Avengers movie thread he gaybashed me remorselessly for commenting that my gf and i both found a character to be hot in the middle of my post, told me to take the gay elsewhere n got into a long repetitive creepy obsession about how my gay makes him uncomfortable.  He also claims he's fine with gay "because he has gay friends" but then admits he finds my gay uncomfortable because he's been hit on by a gay person once and because he feels that was an attempt to "convert him to gay".  Which to me says that he's uncomfortable with me because, i guess he feels i want to have sex with him?!  Its disgustingly offensive to me and while i took several multiple-hour long breaks each time i looked back in i found the discussion going on and on with my name being discussed constantly.

I lost my cool a bit and reacted, yes.  I also had a really dark deconstructive mood that significantly negatively impacted me irl.

Zeke rightly called us both on squabbling like children.  It's an experience that brought me back to the worst moments of my childhood, and manley stated that he did nothing wrong.

My favorite tidbit is that he's tried not to talk to me but i won't stop, when in fact my original reply was to ukp and not even to Manley at all.  He contacted me first to tell me to take my "gay" elsewhere such as seeking naked pics of the character's actor (eew).  Unless perhaps i'm not allowed to discuss the op with other posters just because he started the thread, but thats not the way it's supposed to work.

Theres a lot of talk about the manley problem and the difficulty in knowing what to do about it but this makes no sense to me.  He's a chronic breaker of the basic rules and ignores all mod input that he's doing so.  Hes being rewarded by getting away with this time after time after time so it's no wonder this problem won't go away.

Lack of proper response to his violation of the rules is not only allowing disruption to this site and the wellbeing of its members, it is directly hurting Manley in real life by conditioning bad behavior that could harm his rl relationships or even get him beat up or killed.

My behavior was not golden either.
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I'm odd like that.

Has my ban expired?  I never got the block notice and I am not sure exactly when the prescribed one-week ban was applied.  I don't see Manley posting yet so I don't know if it's ok for me to post again or not.

please some mod let me know, thanks.

It was a looong week; I want to come home now pls.


Yeah, you are fine. Your ban expired on Sunday.

Whatever IP you are posting on now was never even banned. It was some other IP, maybe a wifi your phone was connected to? So, don't be surprised if you see the ban message whenever you try to post from that location. It'll say the ban already expired and you'll be clear to post.


Its always this fone (on its own network) or my computer at work.  I guess my fone switches ip at will.

Thanks for always being so kind to me, Thorax.


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Can you please add a feature to filter out users based on name?  (I'm repeating Lost Pony's request in this thread: http://ponyville.us/pony/res/740180.html#740554)

This can be accomplished by executing some code (like the following snippet) on pageload and on thread auto-update.  (Oh, and some UI would be nice, but not essential, since people can just manually set localStorage.filtered_usernames at the debug console.)

if ((localStorage.filtered_usernames || "").trim()) {
 var filtered_user_regex = RegExp(localStorage.filtered_usernames);
 $(".name").filter(function(i,e) {
   return filtered_user_regex.test(e.textContent);
 }).closest("div.reply").css("display", "none");
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> don't use careless wording that can reasonably be interpreted as implying something offensive to reasonable people
A lot can be interpreted as offensive by "reasonable" people
Like "if I were gay, I wouldn't be a virgin"


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Hence the qualifier "careless".  I'm not expecting people to proactively consider what can be interpreted as offensive, but rather simply to take into account past feedback from mods and fellow users about what can easily be interpreted as offensive.


I wonder, if someone shat in one of the rooms of your house, would you just pretend the shit and the shitter wasn't there? No, you'd get that shit cleaned and do something punitive to the shitter. Of course as you've said, the moderation here has historically ignored the shitter (although to inject a bit of nuance, they have believed it wasn't shit but maybe something less offensive such as tracking in mud from outside) but shuffling it under the rug and pretending that nobody is shitting in your house is just a slightly less bad solution than ignoring it.

To set something straight, I am not saying that ponymotes is going to make everyone nice to each other and all the negativity is going to go away. All I meant by it being a positive is that the users that like it get something fun out of it and the users such as yourself, tracer, and I can either hide it through the options menu or just ignore it. That is a net benefit to the site. Also, don't make a habit of talking about me in the third person (in the same thread I'm posting no less) when you are gonna talk shit about me or the work I do. You can say it to me directly, thanks.

As for blocking people being a negative? Yes, it undoubtedly is. Everyone here has something of value to be said and shared and we are going to be less if we cut all ties with the people we have an issue with. Through better moderation (and yes, I understand your issues with the moderation. I am in near complete agreement. But I'd rather fix the moderation issue directly instead of code the users a way to bypass the problems with the moderation), we can address the negativity without having to go as far as wiping each other off the site. To make my point, Manley has said some stupid shit about trans and gay people, would you have been better off if you decided to just hide his existence the moment he said a stupid thing? I'm guessing not.

And that leads into my next point, that just because I am against filtering users doesn't mean I think nothing should be done. We need stricter enforcement of the rules we have and more specific rules for when someone is not exactly 'rude' or 'unkind' but is still causing people to be upset. That is where Manley falls right now and we need to come up with a concrete rule to address it. I am trying to push that idea witPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


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So is that a no on the flags then?

I'd hate to see Starshine's work go to waste.
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That's all im asking. Thank you.


Well gosh, I was the one who put all of the effort into implementing them in the codebase, don't I get some say in the matter?


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Um, do you realize you're bumping month-old thread?


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I suggest that the "report" button should require a non-empty string for the "reason" field.  I just accidentally the report button when I intended to hit the "edit" button.




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What happens if you click "ImgOops" (to the left of "Exit Google")?


You could try clicking it and finding out, no?

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