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I don’t know. I’ve wrote this out a few times, and many other, often less mature alternatives, but each attempt ends up being more autistic than the last.

TL;DR I’ve became extremely depressed over the past few days because of not necessarily this, but what it means for me. This place and ponychan opened up a whole new chapter of my life, and took me from someone who was completely socially isolated, to someone with friendships from places like this that have lasted for just over a year, and a girlfriend that’s lasted just under half a year up until now. I feel like, having been banned from this site and essentially 90% of ponychan that I’m being re-isolated.

Although I’ve successfully managed to work my way into other communities since then, taking the lessons from this one and ponychan that I had to learn the hard way due to my previous isolation. I feel like if I’m banned and was to hypothetically also get banned from all of ponychan that I could move on and adjust, but that doesn’t demonise the importance of places like this to me.

Over my two month ban I read a few left wing books, and watched some podcasts and videos out of a sense of intellectual curiosity, but naturally I wasn’t convinced. I think my convictions have just became too strong for anything to be able to convince me to leave them behind at this point. Although while my beliefs haven’t and aren’t going to change my personality over the past year and 3 months since I started posting on ponychan has changed radically, and I feel that in the past two months I’ve learned that places like this are more important to me than winning arguments.

This isn’t an apology, I still feel that my ban was unjustified, and my beliefs aren’t changing, however I understand that regardless of how “true” or “right” my perspective may be, most people won’t accept it, and if I want to be accepted in these circles I have to learn to essentially shut my mouth. I’ll still seethe at your opinions through bared teeth, but I think I now have the sense to not open my mouth about them.
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You gotta make up with me to hang out on /canterlot, its a rule.

Mint please request a lock.  Im pretty sure you and MK can discuss offsite things elsewhere, and you know this appeal's public discussion has run its course.  Its going in circles and im a worser sperg than you today.  Go think on things quietly.

Always nice to see you MK.  Glad you are still kicking.

Ok self ban time for me on this board before someone does it to me.  See yall.


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>especially when its about how you are making them feel,
I think I just need to accept that feeling are subjective, and therefore that other people’s feelings that conflict with mine aren’t wrong, they’re just different, and I don’t need to make a big deal of that.

Yeah, this is me asking for it to be locked right now.


>I think I just need to accept that feeling are subjective, and therefore that other people’s feelings that conflict with mine aren’t wrong, they’re just different
Also I suggest you read that LessWrong sequence on fake beliefs I linked earlier:
Many people hold many 'beliefs' that actually more like cheering for a sports team (or booing the opposing sports team) than proper beliefs.


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With its soils recently turned over its an embarassing mess.  Srsly.

Maybe somebody should decide which should be moved to /arch (or /rock) and purge this board?  Make a fresh start of it?


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 No.4352[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

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If anyone else has similar problems they want to complain about, set for posterity's sake, provide evidence of, or just want to vent about, hit me up at

So, we've got major problems at the moment with severe moderator bias. At the moment, there's a pretty blatant instance, by Zecora, over on /townhall/, but naturally this has been going on for quite a while.

Whenever a particular user breaks the rules, the staff ignore it. In this particular case, rule 1, 1b, 2, 2a, 2c were all violated. Yet, instead of actually addressing the blatant violations that started the issue, Zecora focused the response on me, when I had gone through quite a bit of effort of replying politely for a very long time.
Further, Zecora decided to accuse me of "sarcasm". Which is obviously not the case. That was a legitimate example, which I had clarified in the response where the particular user in question had immediately insulted me. I decided to respond in a reasonable manner to that provocation, yet apparently, I'm the one in trouble.
Here's the thread, and an archive for postarity's sake.


Needless to say, this type of behavior is absolutely unacceptable.
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If you prefer, you can also hit me up on Discord, at The River Acis#1230


Says it's not working

Mine's Drowy#6788


I think it's the spaces. For some reason, any spaced user name gives a bit of trouble.
Sent the thingy though.


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It has come to my attention that the same two posters who are always fighting and disrupting threads, and making big paranoid fiascos on /canterlot/ when any moderator actions are taken are still fighting and making big paranoid fiascos about it on canterlot. Even now, after a forced anon board has been added.

I think it's really time for the mods to consider taking a heavier hand with these two considering just how apparent it is that they are more willing to try and manipulate the mods via /canterlot/ in response to nearly every action they make.
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Just serve everyone a permaban and set fire to the servers.

For realsies, I'd rather have nopony permabanned or banned for a long time, but know, all arguing parties involved, you're all doing a shitty job.


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I strongly disagree with the comparison to children.

I have seen this argument, or a similar one, before and didn't like it then either.

No one here is a child.

Do I think some behaviours shown at times are childish or immature? Yes, of course. I've done childish and immature things in the heat of the moment. But to imply that the people who are having problems, and the mods supposedly handling those problems in a similar manner to handling a bratty child, well to me that's pretty disrespectful.

They aren't children. And the mods are not parents. They are adults trying to do a job. Not an easy job quite obviously, but a job nonetheless.

Without this community they have no job to perform. And us as the community, without the staff, will not be a community for very long either.

All of us here are adults, all of us here are in this together if we want to stay here, and hopefully all of us will be able to figure it out together.


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Why must a heavier hand be used?

>yet they still play like it's actually entirely the fault of the mod staff (and sometimes the rest of the community) being unfair to them specifically.

Perhaps there is an issue with expectations that the staff will interfere and cure all personal disagreements because the rules are a bit lofty.

Why do uninvolved bystanders to a squabble feel so offended around here anyway?  If they fight to the death perhaps rather than feel responsible to dissect who's right and who's wrong the staff might warn them both to argue somewhere else.  Or let them finish killing each other.

The feelings of hurt and being trapped that i experienced from people who have no stake in the discussion stomping around validating one thing or another caused me more pain than anything i ever felt directly from arguing with either of these two.

I wonder if the rule was get involved in mutual combat, don't expect staff to rescue you if this ongoing crying-to-mom might disappear and if this hurts bystanders then its their own fault for watching a train wreck when they should move along, nothing to see here.

Who decided that the staff are our personal peacemakers?  That's not a service anyone is paying for so why does this site feel responsible to be police officer, baby sitter and psychologist?

In short, just let them fight or tell them to stop fighting.  Who did what and who's more wronger just isn't necessary for the site to determine.


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Hi I got a small problem.

I'm on my phone about 50% of the time I'm here. I use the Quick Reply box because obviously.

I dont know of its my phone or the browser or the site or what, but every time the Quick Reply box pops up, about a quarter of it is cut off from the screen on the right side. It makes it so I cant see the far right side of my posts. Even turning my phone sideways does nothing.

I also can't move the box. Putting my finger on it and trying to move it does nothing but highlight text.

If anyone knows whats causing this or how to fix it that would be great.
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...well... Zeke's working on something for us. Maybe we should be early adopters. i had no idea t+3 software was so bad. ....i cannot even remember how Foreground and i picked it.

If i was involved, it was probably something like "oh, this one's popular!"


Gochan still has a long ways to go before it reaches feature parity with the variant of Tinyboard that we're using now.


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I was only trying to scare you.

(Oops sorry humor)


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When I voiced concerns about the new rules concerning /canterlot/ and the streamlining of the moderation process, I was told that attempts would be made by the modstaff to not let the mods !!Scootaloo and (the collection of identities who operate under the name of) !!Luna make decisions about or take disciplinary actions against me alone to avoid potential bias. I have off-site history with these individuals, and while I don't feel it's necessary to go into the details of that history here, I will if asked to. To keep it short, they have both said and/or done some pretty horrendous things to me in the past. I feel my fear of potential bias is warranted because of those past actions.

However, in >>>/pony/960354, >>>/pony/960370  it appears that !!Luna made a decision and acted alone in issuing a judgement and punishment for a perceived violation of the rules. I would like to formally request that another member of the mod staff overlook this issued punishment and also formally request the same be done to ALL future punishments coming from these individuals I mentioned above. Preferable BEFORE the punishment has already been issued and served. I think this is important to ensure there is no personal bias in these decisions.

As a side note: While I cannot change the punishment that was issued now, as it has already been served in full, I would like to contest the motivations for the decision that was made, since I was not offered the chance to appeal and this event might have an effect on any further escalation of punishments.

>>>/pony/960370 claims that I "attacking" and "disrespecting" other people. The ban message contained more, and included a list of rules I had purportedly broken, but that has since expired. I do not agree with the assessment that I violated those rules. The three individuals who posted in >>>/pony/960156, >>>/pony/960158 and >>>/pony/960211 (if they are in fact three separate individuals) have a known, consistent history of behavior that skirts the lines of violating the site's rules against trolling and "shitposting", and if they are not actually three separate individuals our rules against sock-puppeting. It is a fair thing to wonder about and question the nature of this person(s) who acts in such a bizarre manner for seemingly no reason, especially when invited to question it as I was in >>>/pony/960358. My quesPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


Alright, so I'm not gonna lie, we all forgot about the thing with those two mods.  We will try to be more vigilant on that in the future.

But despite your justifications for doing so, and even despite the poster possibly being okay with it, harsh sounding questioning like that isn't allowed in the site.  It can put off other posters, making them wonder how they'd be judged, even if they aren't part of the conversation.  The same reason we've never allowed slurs, even between people using them amongst themselves as friends.  A third party won't necessarily know the context, and a new poster might be frightened away by our exclusion of their identity as someone who's mentally ill.  "Insane" "nutsos" who "just talk to themselves" are welcome on the site.

And I know I've warned you before on this, too, maybe with less detail, but it's not the first time you've said these sorts of things to that particular poster(s?).  I get how weird tulpas can be, and if it were to come up in conversation I would definitely suggest people not mess around with creating tulpas, but posters who have created tulpas and also the tulpas themselves are still considered ordinary users of the site and are protected by all the same rules.


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>No other users may post in that thread.
>“Meta” matters will not be permitted on other boards, outside of /canterlot/, with the policy strictly enforced.

So, basically, any and all discussion about site matters between users is prohibited?
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>I am not mistaken on what this means
Oh, I was focusing more on this:
>Anyone who  would dare be unhappy at the state of things, where some people are able to insult and generally treat others like shit, are obviously not worth giving a damn about.
You might be pleasantly surprised about how the new moderating system works.  You might even find that it addresses some of the issues that you brought up in the past.  That's why I suggest that you wait and see rather than just dismissing it.


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I'm rather skeptical. Like I said, it seems to be the same, only with a much more loose individual action, which wasn't a major problem anyway since that was usually the case as it was.

Most of them are either combined or condensed, and there's not much added in, except for the clause of back-punishing users.
Which, obviously, I don't like.
The escalation policy was also one that was supposed to be already in place. It's jsut it was never really used.

So, the only practical change made was that now, people can act completely by their own desire. But, like I said to Val, >>>/pony/957929
>". If the argument is that biases won't matter because it balances out, then allowing any mod to act in an individual capacity by their own judgement alone is going to mean a biased individual can act based on that bias without any mediating force."
Add to that, it ensures a much less consistent enforcement of the rules, ala old Ponychan under Orange way back in the day, where nobody really knows what to expect until someone gets banned for something.

It's certainly possible that this'll mean some of the issues I've had'll be adressed, but, if it is, that'll be because a very small bit of the staff're free to engage those particular issues as they believe necessary. The problem is, other staff who felt these issues were completely without merit or value'll also be able to completely dismiss them. Meaning that, theoretically 20% of the time something to address my issue'd actually happen.
Otherwise, the problem of inconsistency comes to play.

And, to be quite honest, inconsistency is not something I'm okay with, even if it would be to my benefit. It's why I, for example, rather strongly opposed Manley's political ban.
No user should be subjugated to a rule or standard not enforced on the others.


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>no talking among posters

Shhhh the staff might hear us talking.  Lets share secrets about them.

(I heard Moons doesn't actually look like Fluttershy !)


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1.  Someone please explain if this is something on my end: often i get the X boxes as in pic attached.  I am unable to read a post intended for me that might be important.

2.  While i am posting a thread for something so small lets add a suggestion:  if /canterlot is such a serious place then can we have unique anon ID tags on this board please?

Thanks Staff!!  when you have time.
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nvm, i found it: >>>/pony/959710
You're getting boxes because your browser is missing a font with glyphs for the Unicode codepoints in that post.  You can copy and paste the text into http://www.babelstone.co.uk/Unicode/whatisit.html and it will tell you what the characters are:

U+0020 : SPACE [SP]


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Lea likes to use lingojam...

It's unfortunate that your browser doesn't render that...


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Gosh thx!  Much appreciated.  

I dont know anything about /pol because i've never gone there.  I dont support forced-anything in general, and no im not talking about the odd animal thing on /townhall.

the unique-id im talking about looks like this on /ef, pic attached.  It allows everyone to identify between multiple anons and cuts down on misunderstanding followed by "im not that anon".


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it has come to my attention that another poster here is plotting to start a harassment campaign against me. He has outlined this plan here  >>>/pony/955004

The issue with Noonim and his harassing me have become too much to bear. He is constantly trying to pick arguments with me, and bad-mouthing me publicly. Even when he is not involved in the thread of discussion. I never engage Noonim first and have not in a good while. While he was using his filter to block me, things have gone smoothly on the site. But announcing he plans to start a harassment campaign against me is very upsetting, and the fact that he claims he has never received an official warning for his actions here >>>/pony/955007 is even more upsetting.

I feel like his harassment of me is in violation of the rules of this board and he has demonstrated a very clear bias against me. I do not wish to engage Noonim ever again. I do not wish for him to be present in my threads, or to butt into my other conversations to insult me and accuse me things. I want him to leave me alone, but he has time and time again shown his refusal to do so. Not only that, he has very clearly stated that he feels justified in harassing me because of some sort of twisted sense of "justice". This needs to stop. It is causing me very real stress.
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>You claim you give me lots of posts explaining it, but that has not been my experience with you.
to that, I would point to our last interaction on Town Hall. every post I made in reply to you further expanded on my position, and explain it in different ways. this is what I do every time. It's why I feel like you don't actually listen to what I say, and end up getting frustrated, because you literally sit there and claim that I wasn't expanding on what I meant at all, even though rather large percentages of my posts are explicitly dedicated to that purpose specifically.

whether or not you feel like it was a case, every single time you have asked me to explain something I have done so. You never seem to listen to that exclamation, you never seem to give it the time of day, but, it is always there. I always expand on exactly what I have said. That's why I am so quickly frustrated wish you a lot of these times, because you refuse to even accept that much.

how am I supposed to communicate with a guy who refuses to even accept that I'm trying to communicate with him in the first place?
how can I give somebody like that the benefit of the doubt, when literally every single time I reply to his post further explaining my position, he keeps on insisting that I've never explain my position once?

I don't know if there's some kind of particular issue with you reading my posts, whether it's some kind of problem you have or if it's something you just can't grasp do to your own way of thinking, but, never had this problem with anybody else.
nobody else insists that after literal dozens of posts, with paragraphs upon paragraphs of text explain my position in excruciating detail, that I never elaborate.
this is something that I have genuinely only experienced with you, and for the life of me I cannot understand why you do it. It seems strange to sit here even now claiming that I never expand on what I mean, given that literally every single time we end up in an argument, you can see hundreds of posts made, with hundreds of words, every single time, further explaining exactly what I meant and exactly what I had said and exactly how I meant it. Even when I'm trying to defend myself against things that I had viewed as insults, I further explain exactly why I had said what I said. I tried to expand on my positiPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


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Just using the /townhall/ thread from the other day as an example, you do seem to miss the parts of his posts where he's clarifying his position.  Take this post from "Charitable Llama":

>I don't have to know. It's a flat rule, near as I can tell. If it applies in any circumstances where a kid is attacked, then it'd apply to these situations as well. You seem to misunderstand my point, here.

>If you said "Anyone who hits someone should be imprisoned", that applies to every single situation where someone is hit, regardless of the context involved. It'd apply in a situation where a thug punches a grandmother and steals her purse, as well as a situation where a woman punches a would-be rapist before running away. It's not "assuming malice on the part of the punched" to point this out. The situation is directly covered within the perimeters set.

You responded to this part, quoting "It's a flat rule, near as I can tell" and arguing "Except it's not, and unless you can prove that, hthen you can't keep saying that it is."  Which kinda goes back to how you had me change your OP a bit later to show that it's an example and not necessarily a logical conclusion.  But the real issue here is this:

>Also, stop trying to turn this thread into a debate on animal euthanasia. If you want to discuss whether it's ethical to put down animals, start another thread.
>You're the one who put it in your OP. You used it as a justification to execute pedophiles. If that particular justification is trash, and built on a bad premise, then it'd put a major flaw in your argument. Perhaps it'd be better to start a new thread over, skipping the rather lousy justification used here, and simply asking "should we execute pedophiles".

You didn't actually respond to this part at all, the part where he explains that he was reading your OP as a logical argument and if it wasn't that then it should be rewritten.  This was a really important part, the part that explained why he was making any of these arguments to begin with, and it just didn't come up at the time.

Gotta go for a few hours, but I'll look over all this more when I get back.


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Just to be clear, here, I'm not at all against accepting a simple case of something put up in an OP or any post not intended. Mistakes are an easy thing to happen, after all, and it's perfectly fine, provided you recognize them.
The problem is when you sit there and demand I prove something you claimed, suggest I'm being mallicious for exploring the statement made, or claim debating that argument is off topic, when it's an argument you made.

Which is a rather large part of why I found the whole pile of insinuations insulting. I mean, here I am, addressing the arguments you presented, and yet that makes me a bad person acting maliciously, antagonistically, and belligerently.

Of course, apparently all of that is totally legitimate to say, and so there's no real reason to respond to anyone's arguments, I guess.
Might as well just turn every /townhall/ debate into a pissing match where everyone just flings whatever insults and dismissive remarks they desire any time anyone says anything that contradicts them,.


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Just wondering but are things like political test threads welcome on townhall or does it always have to be just serious discussion?
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I would say that is definitely welcome on /townhall/ as long as—as always—it doesn't become a spaghetti fest or a flame war.


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>spaghetti fest
Um I dunno about you, but I'd love to be a part of a spaghetti fest!


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...there is spaghetti on his spaghetti alreatti...


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So the turn-around time on threads that are locked in /townhall/ is far too long. It is generally taking more than a week for the threads to be reviewed and either closed permanently or re-opened.

By then most of the people who were originally discussing the topic have moved on and the conversation dies. Not only that, this potentially makes it too easy for people to try and silence opinions and arguments they don't like. There's also the issue of trying the punish a person for an infringement that happened so long ago. It doesn't seem conducive to helping that person improve if they may not even remember what was said and why.

What can be done about this issue? Is there any way to speed up the process?
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She's actually the best person to ask for specifics.


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I had a weird feeling that it had something to do with her and her sisters.

Anyway, thank you for the advice.



I became eligible for "parole" after two months (which was back in September). But as far as I know they haven't actually discussed the possibility yet. I don't think it's an on-going thing they keep re-evaluating at set intervals. I think I just have the option to attempt to appeal. I wrote an appeal and am waiting to submit it. But I'd rather not talk about that situation publicly.


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>You didn't propose any kind of interesting argument or debate, or ask any thoughtful questions.

Okay, I would accept that but then I would ask where would I post something I would want to share of a serious topic. Especially one which comes with 5 minutes of commentary after the sound clip which I assumed would organically lead to discussion from that commentary.

>Frankly it comes across as asserting yourself under the assumption that everyone must already agree with you.

Okay, this just makes me doubt your judgement of this at all, especially you're priorities.

If this is your actual reason for locking both the townhall thread and the canterlot thread. Well, then I am going to contest the original thread locking.
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>This isn't about the first thing she said but the second thing she said. Which just fills me with doubts about the sincerity of the first thing she said
Why is that?  (To me, those two things go together quite well.  Rather than trying to neutrally pose a topic for debate, you vaguely assert an opinion as if there were no room for disagreement.)



I barely proposed any opinion at all other than basically repeating the title card of the video I posted!

That's why Lunas statement fills me with doubts about her sincerity.

And yours as well.


>I barely proposed any opinion at all other than basically repeating the title card of the video I posted!
Hmm, yeah, I guess maybe I was projecting more than you actually said...


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I propose we get some of Thorax's data-purging cronjobs running around here to randomly blast threads and stuff.

It'd improve the stability of the moderation and increase morale as all posters are subjected to an equal source of anxiety.

Can you port those scripts to run here Thorax?


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I'll present the idea to the staff and in the unlikely event they agree, we'll put the random destruction of the site into the code.


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How about random image derps like in the days of yore?


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Random is the key aspect of the destruct crons, so other random things should be good as well.

Probly best to ensure its a tedious slow deterioration; no one likes sudden nuclear glass.


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Users should be able to request mod-only responses to their threads on Canterlot.

You should add that to the discussion points.


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This request seems like a good idea to keep canterlot less me vitriolic.


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I noticed that when I switch devices, such as going from my phone to the tablet, the anonymous name you are given in a specific town hall thread will change even though I am on the same wifi.

Do the different devices use different IPs?

Should I try to correct this, or just stay on the same device?

(Guys, guys, how do I computer?)
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>Do the different devices use different IPs?
They have different local IP addresses, but your router likely NATs them behind a single shared public IP.  You can find out your public IP address by googling "what is my IP address?" from each device.


Fun fact, not just the ip is tracked. Your password is also tracked in case your phone slips across multiple mobile ips. If you set the password field manually to be the same across devices, you will get the same name.



Thank you!

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