No.1208659[Last 50 Posts]
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ponychan refugees welcome here
No.1208660
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Uhm... It's not a new thing. It's been down for about a week. I'm sorry I didn't tell anyone.
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Dino. Lost soul. Bent on revenge.
No.1208724
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>>1208707yo i love your username
No.1208739
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Ponychan is down? What did Nonny do now?
No.1208752
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>>1208739Isnt that guy like a nazi or something?
No.1208784
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>>1208752Nah. He has anger issues and he can't stop thinking about people he doesn't like. Both things are probably related somehow.
Other than that he's healthy as a horse.
No.1208786
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Once upon a time, I had fled from Ponychan.
Kinda sad, because at some point, /oat/ truly was my home on the internet.
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>>1208786>Kinda sadIs it or is it more sad to be drawn in and accepted by these site's moderation nepotism?
No.1208789
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>>1208784I never got what the big deal was
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>>1208789I wasn't aware that the deal was big.
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>>1208821New at this job thing?
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>>1208739>>1208752No nonny isn't racist or transphobic enough to be an actual nazi.
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Nonny on the left and Snake on the right
No.1208830
>>1208829Not really, though they tried to make it so.
Boat picked up the mantle of responsibility.
Alas, the original domain is lost, due to the mismanagement of the prior leadership.
It's down right now, but you can find it on the .co site, when it's active. Currently doing some maintenance, as I understand it.
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>>1208834"Everyone I disagree with is a nazi!"
Okay bud.
No.1208863
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>>1208842Nazis are a pretty specific thing. I think what anon is saying is that just because you think someone is bigoted, doesnt mean they follow nazi doctrine
>>1208860"Thishasallbeenatrickyouhavebeentroll.mp4"
Why does he get you so angry? He hasn't even been here in like a year
No.1208873
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Nonny is a petty little shit.
He's a liar, he lied to me multiple times and tried to talk down to me about so I cut him off.
He couldn't handle the consequences of his own action and like the worthless little narcissist he is (and some of you are) he played the victim and lashed out here violating all the rules and posting all sorts of racists and teansphobic shit over and over again, obviously trying to retaliate against me for not wanting to be his friend or waste the emptional labor on it.
Seriously, fuck all you bad faith actors, go fix ponychan and stay the fuxk over their
No.1208876
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>>1208873And not a single piece of that makes him a Nazi.
You're welcome not to like him. I'm pretty sure he's given ample reason not to like you, either, and I'd have to say I don't disagree with his characterization of you.
But calling him a "nazi" just reads like a childish tantrum.
No.1208877
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>>1208876Andrea didn't call him a Nazi here.
No.1208878
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>>1208877So Andrea just wandered in to talk shit about Nonny absent the thread's context, for essentially no reason?
Seems pretty scummy, and definitely against the rules.
No.1208879
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>>1208878heh
Nonny finally found someone who is pissed off by him.
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>>1208873Shush, we’re a hugbox. We have to hug them.
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>>1208881So much for respecting the OP's wishes, huh...
No.1208884
>>1208871"I dont think he's a nazi. Here's why"
UR jUSt a WhIYTE nIGhT! 😭😭😭
No.1208885
>>1208873Andrea and Nonny used to date confirmed.
..my crack ship was correct all along..
No.1208889
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>>1208886He would like people to be angry enough with him to call him that as a slur.
No.1208908
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Everyone please calm down. as this is a Ponychan refugee thread, there is bound to be a clashing of opinions over users from there. Please refresh yourselves on this site's rules, and be respectful to others.
>>1208873Considering your situation, you have a right to be upset, which is why this is just a warning. However, please refrain from directly insulting and verbally attacking other users.
>>1208889You are bordering on incendiary behavior. watch yourself.
>>1208884>>1208894Both of you knock need to it off. This is meant to be a positive atmosphere.
No.1208910
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>>1208908>doesn't ban the guys who go into a thread explicitly to disrupt it, actively violating rules, insulting others, and generally stirring up drama>bans a guy asking a question tongue in cheekGood to know Ponyville hasn't changed a lick, I guess.
No.1208911
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>>1208886So, just curious... Why was this guy banned, but the others weren't? I don't really see what the problem is when disruptive posts like these exist.
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>>1208912Bless your heart
No.1208914
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>>1208911I gave you the benefit of the doubt, considering how organically the topic of Nonny came up. I'd like to give the others a chance to back off, but they're on thin ice. Cigarface over there has been baiting with that exact image in a multitude of threads lately; this is hardly his first offense.
>>1208911What did I just say?
No.1208915
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>>1208914>this is hardly his first offense.That would hold more water... IF it wasn't for the fact this isn't Andrea's first offense, either.
They've been allowed to shittalk others with impunity for ages now. This is just yet another example of the same type of conduct, frankly, the staff here
encourages, given their standard response is "Punish everyone but Andrea, give Andrea nothing more than a slap on the wrist".
It's why they feel bold enough to show up, and make their little tirade out of absolute nowhere.
Nobody said anything to them. Nobody messaged them. Nobody replied to them. Nobody said their name.
Yet, here they are, while as usual, staff does nothing.
Unfortunately a very long-standing tradition on this site.
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>>1208914I don't think they're baiting tbh, I think they just find it amusing. Can't speak for anon tho
No.1208917
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>>1208915That's a fair assessment. Staff has been fairly negligent for several years. I've barely been active myself. It would probably be better to have active users as mods, which is part of why we just hired !!Pinkie. I'd like to think we used to be better, but I don't have the best memory for it—eleven years is a long time—and at this point it hardly matters what we used to be. All I can say is that you're right, we need to be better, and I intend to take this statement to heart. It probably doesn't mean much right now, and can't until new habits have been formed, but it's important to say nonetheless. Thank you for your concerns.
No.1208918
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>>1208915Can there ever be peace between ponyville and ponychan? When will the red sun set upon the red fields of the dead?
>>1208917Because the ppl here can be delusional. Is it honorable and positive to have someone like andrea (Not to single out, but a prime example) who has proven that they are emotion based rather than principal based? True honor and positivity requires conscious decisions to rise above primal urges, and to direct one's power to fairness and holding standard rather than arbitrary decision making.
I have to say, this is an interesting perspective to look at. It is a narrative on human nature.
No.1208919
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>>1208917That's usually why you do simple things like 'communicate', 'document', or otherwise simply remember.
We're not talking years ago, here. It's been little more than a week when they had the last shit-show, insulting folk, screeching, calling them cunts, ect. And it's been a consistent issue for a long while, as that's their go-to reaction whenever anyone disagrees with them.
The whole "oh we'll tooootally do better" shit also reads exceptionally hollow when there's literally nothing stopping you, right now, handling a repeat offender in the same way you just did to the Soprano guy. For a far lesser offense, no less. Leaving aside the issue of two-facedness it comes across as, given you insist you have 'bad memory' for Andrea, but it seems to work fine for some tongue-in-cheek condescension, at worst.
Honestly, this right here is my #1 issue with Ponychan mods.
This kind of empty corpo-speak "Oh you're totally right, we need to do better, I'll
absolutely take this statement to heart" garbage gets thrown around every time you guys get called out.
And it's all, always, every single time, just a bold-faced lie.
You COULD make good on it. You COULD do the right thing. You COULD enforce the rules properly.
You
choose not to.
At least Toybox owned up to her impartiality. She never gave these weak excuses.
No.1208920
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>>1208919 i kina miss toy some times
No.1208921
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>>1208920They were pretty alright when they weren't talking politics, site administration, or personal beef.
Alas, 90% of the time, that's exactly what it'd be about.
I have good memories of playing 2nd Life with them once.
No.1208922
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>>1208921Bruh, I can't get that girl outta my head bro. I need to make a move a'ready
No.1208923
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>>1208922If you don't, I'm gonna steal them just to spite you.
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>>1208923I just wanna smash
No.1208926
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Well, maybe more.
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>>1208926>>1208925Man, you ain't even getting hornyjail any more.
You're going to Handholder's Prison now.
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>>1208908Look I'm pretty much disillusioned with the mod team's inability to recognize other users being disengenuous gaslighting bad faith actors and their insincere 'respect' for the rules when it suits them, which is what ruined /townhall/
Assholes here will ascribe things others said to me (like I was the one in this tgreas who called nonny a nazi when I explicitly said hevwas a liar) and all of Nonny's white knights will gaslight about what actually happened and why I
actually rejected him.
Like I said, grow a spine and ban me if I broke a rule here. The topic came up organically and I said my piece about the situation.
>>1208918>Is it honorable and positive to have someone like andrea (Not to single out, but a prime example) who has proven that they are emotion based rather than principal based? Don't kid yourself, y'all don't have sincere principles.
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>>1208940You don't even know me. Arguably, with nonny, you didn't even know that guy. I haven't posted much because I lurrrrk on ponychan, but from what I've seen you make assumptions.
You're pressuring the mods into appeasing you when being personally appeased isn't always the path of total righteousness.
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>>1208940I would suggest what "ruined" /townhall/ was the staff's utter inability to address folk like yourself who repeatedly demonstrate they are fundamentally incapable of having civil conversations around the topic.
Though I do agree that they need to punish disingenuous bad-faith actors who clearly and repeatedly demonstrate they have no respect for the rules save for when it's convenient for them...
People like yourself.
Prime example;
>The topic came up organically and I said my piece about the situation. Leaving aside the issue of trying to have your cake and eating it too... The fact of the matter is, your entire litany of degradation towards Nonny had nothing to do with that "organic" conversation.
Whether or not he's a "nazi" would be entirely unrelated to him being a 'liar', a 'narcissist', 'playing the victim', or 'posting racist and teansphobic shit' to 'retaliate' against you.
But then you've always been a mite allergic to accountability for your own behavior, so, maybe you truly don't realize it...
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>>1208940I gave you a warning before out of sympathy, and because I'm genuinely unaware of any additional unruly behavior, but this is the opposite of calming down, and the thread had moved on already. please go cool off.
No.1208959
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I want to go home.
No.1208970
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>>1208968Pchan? Nah, it was supposed to go down. Just not supposed to be this long, but I guess Boat's out of town in the middle of it.
It'll be back up at some point.
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>>1208970well I hope he comes back soon then. I'd be sad too if I felt like I couldn't go home.
No.1208972
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>>1208971>I'd be sad too if I felt like I couldn't go home.Wut?
I'm not boat
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>>1208975I heard you say you're not boat. Is this you?
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>>1208977I am me, yes. Who are you?
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>>1208951Do people cool off when you say it like that? Is that how people work?
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>>1209009Great. Now I'm not allowed to teach basic human psychology.
No.1209056
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>>1209012As I understand it was some expected maintenance that, due to Boat having some stuff he had to do, got extended. It'll be back when he's home.
No.1209057
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>>1209056He's away with the family, up the Mississippi. Should be back in time, then Ponychan returns.
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>>1209061Definitely not Nonny...
No.1209074
>>1209066>normal people that run itOrange was a schizo
Mikie was in love with a tulpa
Toybox had sex with animals
Normal...
No.1209075
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>>1209066Leaving aside how much work "normal" is doing for a moment...
Why does it matter if they're 'normal people'?
If they're running things badly they're running things badly.
Boat wanted to take over, anyways. Can't get the domain just because a site is down. I don't think you understand how anything about this works.
No.1209077
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>>1209076Man, you're tripping if you think a site being down was casus belli to... Well, do anything, really considering its such a nothing burger.
The sites down for a bit. Womp womp, nobody cares, that's just how things are sometimes.
I have never once, ever, through any of the administrators, whined about the site being down as reason they need be ousted.
My only care was rules and their enforcement.
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>>1209078Glad you agree that 'site being down for a bit' is nothing to get your panties in a twist about.
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>>1209061>raises handAlso I must say it's very strange that you'd try to start a rumor that I sold the site, based on nothing:
>>1209062 Very strange but not unexpected in this place.
>>1209066 Saccharine, I presume. Nice to see you, too.
There was an announcement that was up on Ponychan, for several days, that the site would be going down for an indeterminate amount of time. At first I had no real idea how long that would be, but later it seemed like the downtime would be no more than a few hours. However, due to the issues that forced the site down in the first place, and terrible timing, plus additional unforeseen problems, I was unable to get the site up and running before I had to leave town. And it wasn't for lack of trying - you can ask Nonny about that if you like. I think most people in my situation would have put substantially
less effort into trying.
Unlike Ponyville, which has three-deep technical continuity, professional hosting, and individuals with more money than God bankrolling it, none of those things apply to modern Ponychan, and so Ponychan is just going to remain down until I get my ass back home and have a chance to really diagnose and repair it.
It did not shut down because I left town. It went down due to external factors, and it remains down because I am unable to fix the issues while out of town.
>>1209076 Most of the people you're alluding to barely even post there.
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
If it bothers you that I run a website, you can always make one of your own and run it however you like.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'll retire to my condo within your head, where I reside, rent free.
However, if I decide to unilaterally shut down Ponychan, without asking for user feedback, and without giving anyone else an opportunity to take it over, you know - like those other folks who tried to forcibly merge Ponychan and Ponyville not too long ago, feel free to call me a hypocrite.
No.1209093
>>1209092>If it bothers you that I run a website, you can always make one of your own and run it however you like.The rage this statement use to induce in the people now proclaiming it is mildly amusing.
Didn't you say you were permabanned from here, i swear you said that.
Or is it just you
feel like you are, like you
felt like these websites were "exclusive clubs" that you were excluded from... Even though you posted every day and no one stopped you..
Otherwise, are you a site admin breaking rules and circumventing a ban? Should people take that as permission to do so on your site?
It's gotta be one or the other.
No.1209096
>>1209092>If it bothers you that I run a website, you can always make one of your own and run it however you like.This level of hypocrisy is hilarious to me and i assume also to any of the people running these sites that have had to deal with your ridiculously inflated ego for the better part of the past decade.
Just instantly, doing the things and saying the words that he could never accept himself.
Wow.
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>>1209093>The rage this statement use to induce in the people now proclaiming it is mildly amusing.You must have me confused with someone else. I've been there, done that, and got the T-shirt, multiple times over.
>Didn't you say you were permabanned from here, i swear you said that.I am most definitely perma-banned, without even the ability to appeal it. But the staff here seems confused about the fact that they perma-banned me and/or just let it slide like they do in the case of other people. It doesn't change the fact that I am ban-evading as we speak. Personally, I find it amusing. If they want to bring down the hammer, that's their choice.
>Or is it just you feel like you are, like you felt like these websites were "exclusive clubs" that you were excluded from... Even though you posted every day and no one stopped you..That's a very strange thing to say on this site, especially given the split between those who want to exclude others (especially for ideological reasons), vs those who want to swell the ranks by any means. You do understand that tolerating and welcoming are not the same. Look at the responses that others have gotten in this thread and others recently: sure they are
allowed to post, but for the most part, a vocal portion of the community does not want them here. That's not inherently wrong, and y'all can do things however you like, but it doesn't jive with the implications you just made. And my response to that is: why post in a place where a significant portion of the users want you gone when there are perfectly viable alternatives?
>Otherwise, are you a site admin breaking rules and circumventing a ban? Should people take that as permission to do so on your site?I think you have a fundamental misconception of how moderation works on Ponychan nowadays.
And I'm also not an admin on Ponyville last I checked.
>It's gotta be one or the other.I think you're trying to say that "I" have rules therefore I must respect other people's rules.
whether I agree with them or not, and regardless of how ridiculous they might be.
That's just silly.
>>1209094>Yeah, you would have made it a really big issue if anyone else did what you're doing and shut down a site for an extended period if time.Let me see if I can steel-man that argument.... Sure, if they were lying to my face while doing it, I would have a problem with it.
>You've never been anything if not contrarian.Interesting.
>But of course, when it's you and you're the one doing the things, it's all very justifiable and reasonable, but every other person who makes rules and runs their sites the way they want, well they're just objectively wrong and need to be told about it ad nauseam.I'm not sure what you're referring to. I don't defer to authority just because.
>Whats it like to be the only one whos ever right? Must be a lot of pressure.Surprisingly easy when the arguments you're facing aren't sound.
>>1209096>This level of hypocrisy is hilarious to me and i assume also to any of the people running these sites that have had to deal with your ridiculously inflated ego for the better part of the past decade.>Just instantly, doing the things and saying the words that he could never accept himself.>that he could never accept himself.This is like saying "oh yeah? well prove it!" and then getting mad when you receive the proof you requested.
I was essentially told to kick rocks and make my own site, and so I did. What point are you trying to make?
No.1209098
>>1209097So we don't have to respect your rules.
Noted.
No.1209099
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>>1209098 I would advise against posting CP.
strongly, even.
No.1209100
>>1209099I don't, but you should really figure that out.
Last time i looked that that site the whole front page was... That.
And not the weird uncanny valley weird stuff that use to be on these sites, but like, hardcore shit.
I haven't actually been back since, but i hope you figured out how to mitigate that, esp if you're self hosting.
Maybe you should consider getting professional hosting. I assume they have tools for that sort of thing.
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>>1209100 I get that you're just trying to poison the well by trying to associate the site with CP, but since you admit you don't have any idea what it's like since then or now, I'm going to give it exactly zero consideration. I can also say with some confidence that our tools are likely better than Ponyville's. The main difference is that we don't have 37 mods, so we've been forced to come up with alternative means of dealing with it.
No.1209103
>>1209101Your the one that literally brought it up dipshit lol
You really are a perpetual victim.
Yeesh
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>>1209103 You said you don't have to respect the rules.
That's our most important rule.
I would advise you to respect it.
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>>1209092Very well spoken. I was actually gonna mention the announcement that was posted very publicly like a week in advance, but got busy and admittedly forgot. Good on you boat
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>>1209103>>1209100>>1209098>>120909First and foremost, you should respect the OP's wishes.
I suggest you take a little break from posting for a bit and give the thread a reread.
As for the entire 'situation' and problem here. It was all because some anon asked if Nonny was a nazi and a thread kindly harboring ponychan refugees.
Is that what ponyville is about? Shitting on people outside of their norm? It's not even like this place is being raided with gore, porn, or worse. Relax. Nobody is here to hurt you. Funny enough this devolpement has lead me to speak after lurking for quite some time.
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>>1209107Unironically nonny mods on ponychan often and has shown he is pretty good at it when it comes to being fair why not ask him?
>>1209108For a few hours. Not every ban is a permaban. Though, that is concerning you would think that
No.1209110
>>1209109You're assuming i think that, maybe I thought it was for 48hrs. Why would you assume i would assume it was a perma and why be concerned by the assumed assumptions of an anonymous poster? My assumption is you must be a very low self esteem individual from what you assumed my assumptions were.
Hmm, let's analyze it like pseudo phycologists, it is the internet afterall.
Anyway, i think its cool you post as Danny devito.
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>>1209110Andrea, and others got banned. An argument happened. So why even bring up your holier than thou argument?
Absolutely. The double D is a favorite of mine.
No.1209112
>>1209111"I thought you got banned" isn't an argument, it's a statement.
Why do you think everyone is arguing with you Danny?
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>>1209105 Thank you, sir!
>>1209107 I'm not sure that follows the way you think it does, especially since Ponychan was not created as a cult of personality.
and I could be mistaken, but I don't think Moony was interested.
Aside from that, I personally don't believe that making every active user a mod is a good idea. Sure it might tighten the window on dealing with rule violations, but for the most part, violations are so rare that it shouldn't even matter.
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>>1209112"I thought you were permabanned" could be a simple question, or it could be an attempt to out and tattle on me on your suspicions on ban evasion, which is a reasonable thought. But assuming you were being sincere, it doesnt really matter. Anything else, Nonny?
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>>1209106>Is that what ponyville is about? Shitting on people outside of their norm? It's not even like this place is being raided with gore, porn, or worse.That has more to do with history between certain posters. I made that clear in this thread already.
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>>1209114Except you are not my brother. I dont know you, nonny.
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>>1209121No we are not. .
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>>1209117 I think we technically have 5 at the moment.
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>>1209123You do not share the same blood as my actual brothers. You do not hold the social respect as my actual brothers. I do not know you other than a disrespectful anon.
No.1209126
>>1209124So then there's 2 to spare.
Now you just have to draw straws or play rock paper scissors or something.
No.1209132
>>1209129The pipes i use to transfer everyone's blood to make them all my brothers.
That and i have a mosquito training program, it's.. not going great, admittedly.
They're not very bright.
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>>1209093>Didn't you say you were permabanned from here, I mean, someone asked about it on /canterlot/ and Mondo didn't seem to say he wasn't. Albeit all he did say was that it wasn't for advertising.
>>1209092>Most of the people you're alluding to barely even post there.I am admittedly one of those.
Alas, outside of work when I've little else to do, I rarely post anywhere. But ponychan tends to be sluggish so I'm inactive largely then, too.
Do try now and again but I'm mainly a lurker.
>>1209096Funnily enough it was Toy's favored line til Cat up and did it...
No.1209134
>>1209133Glad you've taken on the standard toybox set then.
You must be proud, and not hypocritical at all.
No.1209137
>>1209135The problem is, by the time you get them trained they die.
Not super long lives, mosquitos.
Billions down the tubes, or, pipes as you call them.
I'm thinking of using pneumatics.
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>>1209100The front page does have a slight issue annoyingly that deleted content lingers for a time.
It seems to go eventually, but still that may be why.
>>1209107I never understood the need for a million staffers, personally.
But I think it's mostly fine
Stuff rarely lasts long. One of us tends to grab it. I'm usually on my phone at weird hours too.
>>1209134I never had anything against the line.
So how would that make me a hypocrite?
It's strange that you seem to think if you don't get along or otherwise don't like someone, you must 100% disagree with them always.
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>>1209139Not really.
Nobody gets banned on pchan now for hurting the ego of staff, for instance.
Not something I could say for the old set.
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>>1209144Honestly, as it should be. Words aren't that deep.
>>1209139Bless your heart anon.
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I'll be real, I didn't know Ponychan still existed. I think it's pretty cool that Boat is keeping it alive, even if it's got a different domain.
Also this thread is really funny, it's got a bunch of people throwing accusations and insults and Boat and his friends are acting super chill about the whole thing despite all the personal attacks.
Really makes me reconsider my biases towards them. I might check out Ponychan once they get it back up.
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>>1209153<3I've mellowed out a mite in my age. Though I was never that fussy about insults at least, I suppose.
Ponychan is pretty chill. Definitely can't complain. Needs more nerds, though. I wanna whine about 40k, and how my 'friend' absolutely refuses to play 7th with me.
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>>1209153You're always welcome to chop it up with us. Personal opinions might differ, and while people disagree. Discussion, even argument is allowed. You should have seen Nonny and Snake for a while -- Now those guys are like total gay boys now. It's sweet.
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>>1209158I only know a passing bit about 40K so far but I like learning more.
>>1209160What's the domain extension now? So I'll have it when it gets back up
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>>1209161Ponychan.co
Eris is a cool name by the way
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>>1209162Thanks, it's what I posted as the most on old Ponychan.
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>>1209163I don't think we really ran into one another on old ponychan. It's nice to re-meet you if we did. You seem nice.
I'll break the ice. What music you listen to?
Hear my awful dirge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbK-9k4DfUU&t=123s No.1209165
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>>1209164If you've only ever been Anon and haven't had a name, that's pretty likely. I don't remember being particularly friendly with any specific Anon-onlies.
I listen to all sorts of music, my liked songs playlist on Spotify has everything from modern rap/hip-hop to 70s and 80s rock music. My favorite band is Steely Dan, however. I was apparently in the top 1% of listeners on Spotify according to last year's Wrapped lmao.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7chqmf2ThM here's one of my more unusual song choices
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>>1209163I barely remember anyone from the ancient Era. I mostly stuck to /oat/ though.
I remember vaguely you, though, I feel like. Did you post as that female version of Discord, by chance?
I'm not even sure what name I used back then... Probably Graff, though that feels forever ago. Kind of odd looking back on it to think I basically grew up on these boards...
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>>1209167Yeah, for a while I posted mainly as female Discord to go along with the name Eris (and occasionally Gilda). Then I transitioned to Rocky from Lackadaisy and eventually just started posting random anime girls once I got into anime. I was mainly an /oat/ user myself as well iirc.
Yeah I definitely spent way too much time one these boards when I was younger. Lot of good times, though. Funnily enough, most of my negative memories of the olden days were from THIS site, not Ponychan.
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Either way little dudes, this self made warrior is gonna finally slumber. My pet is totally getting bummed out from the light being on. (He's passed out, but I don't want to wreck or ruin the vibe of the little dude's little sleep.)
>>1209165That's actually kinda a banger, like, not gonna lie. I like it so far. Eris will do for now. It's been a pleasure meeting you, oh might griffony- anon-Eris.
>>1209167Wild. Time just keeps moving on. Some might say that's a bit of a drag, but reflecting on it all. It's actually kind of blessing in disguise. We've gone through a lot, haven't we Snake? Maybe it's the sleep deprivation. Don't make fun of me for it later, but I am sincerely glad we met on the seas of the net. You're like, my best friend. I couldn't imagine a life without you.
It's strange that we've known each other for like 5 billion years now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gX90p3Q1I9gGet some sleep when you get home. I gotta get a girl a fancy coffee in the morning. Or tomorrow. I'm sure you'll find it funny in detail once it happens.
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>>1209168I've bad ones from the lot that have soured things admittedly.
Both here, Ponychan, and back in the day MLPchan...
But it's hard to label it all as any particular vibe. I do have a fair few fond memories after all.
I started posting Luna, then Octavia, and then my own little OC for most of it. Sadly I think I've nothing left of him. Purged the folder long ago, putting it all behind me, which I rather regret...
I do still have the clay figure I made somewhere though. Couldn't bring myself to discard that. I put too much 'soul' into items.
Posted as Noonim for a long while after that, from The Dragon Next Door. She was a favorite. Funnily enough I'll see my crops on occasion, when folk (rarely) post her. Though in either case, that was much, much later.
Man... Thinking about it... I spent an absurd time on these things.
Kind of crazy.
>>1209169>I gotta get a girl a fancy coffee in the morning. Never gonna happen. Just like how dragongirl'll never get my number.
Sleep well bro.
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>>1209172All things considered, there have been more positives than negatives for me overall.
I still have pretty much everything I've ever had from about 2012/2013 onwards, can't bring myself to delete anything, though I have rearranged things.
Hopefully you had a good time doing those things, though. Time spent doing things you enjoyed is not time wasted.
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>>1209172Goddamn it..
FINE
I'll get her the coffee, and ask her out on some sort of date by the end of the week.
You'd better give her your fucking discord the next time you see that girl. NIGHT!
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>Man... Thinking about it... I spent an absurd time on these things. Kind of crazy.
Last thought, just because I'm brushing my teeth. Don't regret it. It's what helped craft you into the man you are. The beautiful, wonderful, koboldish, (borderline. GAYYYY!) man you are.
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>>1209133 It's all good.
>>1209153 cool; hope you enjoy it if you check it out.
/chat/ is generally pretty chill. /ef/ is a schizo containment board and definitely an acquired taste.
It's never had an official relaunch, so right now it's just kind of a work-in-progress hangout.
>>1209165>My favorite band is Steely DanWow, mine as well. Deacon Blues is my favorite song.
What's your favorite album and why is it Gaucho?
>>1209174 keep the spaghetti under control. good night!
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>>1209176>/chat/ is generally pretty chill. /ef/ is a schizo containment board and definitely an acquired taste.Wow it's just like old Ponychan!
>Deacon Blues is my favorite song.DUDE SAME 100%.
>What's your favorite album and why is it Gaucho?It's NOT it's Aja. I actually haven't even listened to the songs on Gaucho yet, except for Hey Nineteen, because that one's everywhere.
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>>1209173The early days for sure. And I did meet some swell folk throughout.
It's mostly just the twilight hours of Ponychan that really hit me hard.
Especially before /void/ launched. That was a really rough time for my mental health, and looking back, so much of it came from there. All of it really, as the rest I'd delt with before alright.
That last couple years before the end honestly were probably the big trouble. I should have just left... But ponychan had been home for so very long, I felt like I couldn't, and always ended up drifting back.
I digress, though; not good to dwell on bad memories.
I'm thankful for the new lot, and for Voidchan while it lasted.
And I'm Especially thankful for a totally unrelated place I found, that offered a new home online for me.
Thanks to it more than anything, my mental state has been lovely.
Albeit, now I'm a full blown dragon cultist. Gone from general adoration I tried to curtail, to a practical worship and active strive to their ideal...
So, admittedly, maybe not 'healthier' mentally as just 'happier'.
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>>1209178Happy IS healthy in my opinion. I've known plenty of 'neurotypical' people who were having a terrible time and plenty of mentally ill people having the time of their lives.
And honestly, I totally relate to finding a place outside of Pony image boards that completely changed things for the better for me.
Back when all I had was Ponychan and MLP websites, I basically had nobody I could actually relate to outside of basic sharing the same interest. Ever since finding better places online, I've actually found people who have actual similarities with myself, mentally and emotionally.
I'm in a much better place for the past 8 years than I had been for the prior 8.
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>>1209175Fugg u
You're right, though. Good or bad, our past makes us, and being someone who largely likes who they are... I guess I wouldn't change it.
Sleep well, little buddy.
Dream of raptors with massive feathery breasts.
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>>1209168I need to expand.
Alas, I'm insular, introverted, and hate being a bother, which is a lethal combination for socializing.
My gaming group tragically had collapsed, due to a poorly thought out 'active' policy that slowly gets rid of folk who are there for events, games, and activities, in favor of those who just chat often without anything really going on.
Means I gotta track down another, especially if I want more tabletop.
And I've been needing a craft group for ages...
Ponychan used to be a good hub for all of that. Was the firstbplace I'd gone that that actually discussed things instead of just smalltalked. Honesty, still have a hard time finding that.
>neurotypicalI hate the label, mostly because it feels like an excuse. But it is apt.
Dunno how you feel on it, but, I can't really bring myself to accept "I think differently on a substantial level" as reason for such troubles.
...Though, I did have to once quite literally yell at Nonny "I AM SEVERELY AUTISTIC" to end one of our several-week-straight fights. So maybe I ought to.
>I'm in a much better place for the past 8 years than I had been for the prior 8.Do you find it a general environmental change, or do you think it came with age?
Mine's a shorter span, but oh boy, had it been an extreme difference.
And a part of me wonders if it's just me moving out of my 20s...
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>>1209183I am pretty much all those things too, and more to boot. I genuinely do not leave the house for anything other than food or work. I can socialize pretty well online and on discord calls and the like, but when it comes to real life, I just can't seem to really do it.
I also no longer really have a tabletop group. I had one going for a pretty good while, up until very recently, actually, but life events for our main DM have basically made it impossible to continue. Me being the only other person who is really able and willing to DM and having extreme ADHD issues lately means nothing has happened for almost a year now.
Neurotypical definitely doesn't feel like it really encapsulates everything perfectly but, as you said, it is fairly apt. Autism and the various mental problems I have definitely make dealing with so-called "normal" people pretty difficult, but finding other people who have the same issues as me somehow makes everything work out. (Personally, I would assume everyone having terrible mental and developmental problems would be a clusterfuck, but somehow it works.)
>Do you find it a general environmental change, or do you think it came with age?I'd say it's more than likely a combination of both those things and more. Though I would honestly replace "age" with "time", because internally I still feel the same as I felt when I was 17. But those things are basically the same when you think about it.
Basically I'm pretty sure that a major aspect of things is being less hormonal than when I was a teenager and things basically "balancing out" as I've gotten older. But changing where I've chosen to spend my time and who I've chosen to spend it with has also definitely helped a lot. There were quite a few immature people on the 'chans back in the day, many of which were upwards of 5-10 years older than me. I still tend to skew older with the people I hang out with, but the quality of person has definitely improved. Even the people much younger than me that I know and spend time with are all way more mature than the older adults I spent time around as a teenager.
Aside from time and environment, I've also just done a lot more self-reflection over the years that has helped me to understand myself better and work on the aspects of myself that were negative or lacking. My perspective on things has also changed a lot. I used to get really worked up over how other people acted and what they believed, but nowadays I'm much more likely to just shrug people off and ignore them. It used to be functionally impossible for me not to respond to people being rude to me, but I've gotten much better at just letting things go, or at least not acting on my impulses.
fuck it, AI dragon time
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>>1209185I'm shockingly good in real life. But, it's fake. It's always been fake. And a huge part of what made me idolize dragons, and their lack of need to maintain masks for social expectations.
Not to say I don't enjoy it, per say. But I enjoy it as a host. As making them happy. Hard to explain. I don't dislike playing the role, or wearing the mask, as I like the smile that results. Though I'll not ever really do things like that on my own, otherwise.
>nothing has happened for almost a year now.F.
I've been there.
I had a wonderful Rogue Trader game going, but alas the GM got busy with so many other things the group died.
Part of why I need to learn to GM. It's a bitch to do, though. Especially starting out.
>dealing with so-called "normal" people pretty difficult,I've not had trouble in the real world where I've masks up. But online... I try to be "me" as it were. And oh boy, does that just not work most the time.
Half my issues are around that, especially as I inevitably struggle finding people who want to actually *discuss* things, which is my main craving online.
I can definitely see why talking to similar folk would help. And I suppose I've sought them out unconsciously on vrchat as it happens, as I've found those folk will almost always be absolutely willing to chat for hours on their interests if you just ask...
Really should get back into it. Need to set up the headset again. Good times, albeit the community had changed radically multiple times over now so it's a bit different.
>Aside from time and environment, I've also just done a lot more self-reflection over the years that has helped me to understand myself better and work on the aspects of myself that were negative or lacking.This is... admittedly thinking about it very likely the source for me as well. It feels hubristic to point to. But, I have endeavored ever since finding a place where a few similarly dragon obsessed people reside.
I was always fairly introspective, but, chasing what I viewed as my ideal was harder when I felt like it was just a weird obsession specific to me. Afterwards... Well, I could really develop and devote myself far more freely to that ideal, if only because feeling like I wasn't alone alongside people I could actually talk to about it gave a tiny ounce of reassurance that it's not a passing fetish or interest, but rather, a true adoration from the heart.
I'll give them mention, as honestly, it's a wonderful crowd even if one just passes by, though I'll warn they're obviously NSFW;
On the 4chan /trash/ board, there are regular '/scaly/' threads. Unique over there, incidentally, in how little the NSFW aspect dominates... albeit it's still a big part.
>It used to be functionally impossible for me not to respond to people being rude to meSimilar to you, albeit in a different direction.
When someone said something about me that was just untrue, I'd be sent into a genuine spiral.
Being misunderstood was genuinely the worst possible thing I could have occur, already (likely why I'm so verbose), and if it was an intentional misrepresentation, oh boy, would I start fuming...
I still do. But it's lesser. Though I would pin that lesser reaction on the loss of a presumption 'good faith' when it comes to my approach to conversations...
Realizing some folk are not merely misguided or misunderstanding, but rather, regard you as an enemy in the first place to which any tact is fair game goes a long way into making it feel a mile less substantial, nor as quite the same betrayal.
>AI dragon timeCute!
I'm careful posting such because some folk can react viscerally to it... But I'll post my little kobold.
Before accidentally creating this little lad, I didn't really 'get' the idea of a fursona.
But, I find a strange attachment to him, akin to looking at an idealized self perhaps.
He is me. As true a reflection of my soul as I've come to thus far.
Never understood spending big money on a commission, but, now I do.
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By the way, might be a given, but my apologies if I'm getting too long winded, personal, or too 'self focused' as it were.
I just happen to genuinely like talking about this kind of thing.
If you don't, I'm not the sort to take it personally, whether you say it outright, ignore it all, or end the lot.
I know this is probably utterly unnecessary to say, but, sometimes it's still worth saying.
Regardless, I've genuinely enjoyed the chat thus far.
No.1209189
>>1209186I'm kind of a social chameleon, for the most part. I'm not really good at being active in a social sense, but I'm a very good passive friend, if that makes sense? I can't really contribute very much but I can listen and seem interested. It makes basically everyone I interact with like me. But it's all superficial, I can't really actually connect with anyone irl. And I'm pretty sure it's mostly that I can't really be myself with most people I know irl, verse how easy it is to find like-minded people online where all you really have to do is explore the internet in the safety of your own home. You can lurk online, but if you do it irl people are gonna get creeped out lmao.
>I inevitably struggle finding people who want to actually *discuss* thingsMan, it really is difficult to find people you can actually like *talk* with. Most "conversations" you end up having online these days basically tend towards everyone just shouting their opinions into the void whilst the other people around them do the same, rather than actually having any kind of back and forth and true communication. And then half the time you actually do have a back and forth with people, it's usually antagonistic. Everyone has their own correct opinion and all the other opinions are wrong, and you have to try and convince others to agree with you. And most of the time it comes down to something as stupid as "I like black dragons" vs "I like white dragons".
>It feels hubristic to point to.It can be a trap that's easy to fall into, but the way to avoid it being hubris is to always remember that self improvement is a never ending journey. The moment you think you've "made it" is the moment it becomes hubris and you've actually failed. That's a lesson that can be harder to internalize than it might seem.
>On the 4chan /trash/ board, there are regular '/scaly/' threads. Unique over there, incidentally, in how little the NSFW aspect dominates... albeit it's still a big part. I'm glad you were able to find people that helped you find who you are. Unironically furries and scalies and the like tend to be easy to get along with.
>When someone said something about me that was just untrue, I'd be sent into a genuine spiral.This has always killed me as well. Thankfully it's been pretty rare, I've not really had rumors or lies spread about me, but every time someone has purposefully misrepresented me or said something blatantly false, it's always rankled.
well shit it posted for some reason. give me a sec to continue
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>>1209188>>1209189> regard you as an enemy in the first place to which any tact is fair game goes a long way into making it feel a mile less substantialYeah, it's something you have to learn, especially on the internet, people are just out there to hate. There comes a time where you kind of have to assume that most people are not engaging in good faith.
>I'm careful posting such because some folk can react viscerally to it... But I'll post my little kobold. People with extreme visceral reactions to AI is actually the perfect example for what I was saying about people not engaging in good faith and just out there to hate lmao. At this point unless I'm in a space that specifically forbids it, I'm not going to cater to people who get super worked up over an image being created in a way they don't like, and I'm gonna post whatever I damn well please. Especially if it's god damn cute.
Speaking of cute, your kobold is absolutely adorable!
When it comes to fursonas, I don't really have a great grasp on my own personhood, so I have 'sonas of all types that I switch out depending on how I feel at any given time. The black dragon here is one of my major ones, though. It's kind of generic, being a pretty basic black dragon rendered using AI (which is essentially a generic-character-producing-machine lol), but the very fact that it kind of can blend in anywhere is why it's me.
>>1209188Oh don't worry, I'm very much enjoying this conversation as well. I enjoy getting to know new people and I can really relate to a lot of what you say.
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>>1209189>It makes basically everyone I interact with like me. But it's all superficial, I can't really actually connect with anyone irl And I'm pretty sure it's mostly that I can't really be myselfOh, no, I absolutely get what you mean. That's pretty much it to a T for me, except that I refuse to consider anyone I can't be my true self around a 'friend' in the first place. Means I've got, like, two at best. Which is a bit rough admittedly.
I really ought strive for more internet friends, but it can be surprisingly hard to make them. Especially since my favorite people are often from anonymous boards and rather like that anonymity aspect.
>Most "conversations" you end up having online these days basically tend towards everyone just shouting their opinions into the voidI'll call those 'discussions' if only because most conversations I've run into are literally just basic chit-chat "my wife made a pie", "the weather was this", "I saw the girl I like", "how's your niece doing" guff that makes me want to pull my hair out and deeply admire the people who at least give me something, sometimes.
But I do relate still. Some folk these days bought too hard into the "art is subjective" line and want to tell me saying "John Halo is two grunts in a trenchcoat" is an 'opinion' so they don't need argument, rationale, evidence, or any form of logic...
>And then half the time you actually do have a back and forth with people, it's usually antagonisticMan that's been the case so long, I actually had the mistaken idea I liked arguing, 'til I really dwelled on it...
You're absolutely right. Most the time the only moment folk will bother to actually give reasons for what they think is if they're debating you.
Don't get me wrong, I'm very opinionated (black dragons are the best), but I do prefer discussing things amicably more than actual debate. If you tell me WHY you think something, I'll be far more interested exploring, sharing what we both like and dislike, rather than trying to prove my point of view is better than yours...
>hubris is to always remember that self improvement is a never ending journey. Oh boy does this get into some things...
You're absolutely right. However... hubris, pride, and arrogance are only flaws if they're not true.
My idolization is of the "evil" western dragon, you see. So... though it's been very hard for me to do so... I oddly enough want MORE hubris, MORE arrogance and MORE pride.
It's just... A dragon's pride is not an idle thing. If you are to boast, you need worthy boasts. If you are to be proud, you need something to take pride in.
I endeavor to improve as you say because I wish to earn that hubris.
Even as the goals are beyond my reach, like Icarus, I wish to climb undaunted to the sun. And though my wings may melt, I will but carve another pair from my soul, 'til the stars themselves are in my grasp.
>furries and scalies You have to be a little Careful I've noticed as some are fake. In it just for the community, the clique as it were.
But the real ones are genuinely some of the best folk I've met online.
>>1209190>There comes a time where you kind of have to assume that most people are not engaging in good faith.Unfortunately that was a lesson that genuinely took me well over a decade to learn.
The big issue I've found is, others don't care even if they can tell the other party is acting in bad faith. If you fight it, you'll be viewed as a trouble maker. As someone who attracts drama. Associated with a negative lot, without real care on the larger story.
That took me a while to learn. But now that I have, my hearts a tad more guarded, and less prone to catching alight.
>At this point unless I'm in a space that specifically forbids it, I'm not going to cater to people who get super worked up over an image being created in a way they don't like, Respectable.
I'm wanting to push that way. But my soul is very accommodating to others. I dislike making folk uncomfortable even if it's unreasonable.
Something I long to adjust. Not rid entirely, but still.
AI stuff is pretty neat, and to me, while sure it has less 'intent', I find it will often still contain a lot of meaning within, albeit more as a 'discovery' than a created work.
That's how I feel about my little dude anyways.
>Speaking of cute, your kobold is absolutely adorable!Thanks! I do love him. And adorable is honestly a major factor why it clicked for me.
If I could shape-shift today, I'd be something cute, after all.
>s kind of generic, being a pretty basic black dragonGeneric isn't necessarily bad. I will say it's a gorgeous dragon, with an elegant style I adore.
>which is essentially a generic-character-producing-machine lolDepends on model, prompt, and LORA.
Trust me you can get crazy complex with it. Some of the guys on /trash/ are true wizards with it.
Some of my favorite dragons sport simple designs. Often they're more interesting than the complex ones. And very often they impart far more character, as each piece is so much more substantive.
>>1209191I'm very glad to hear it. I'm feeling the same, honestly. You're also killing a lot of down time at my work, so, I'm rather glad of it.
Slow security job requiring me to do nothing for a long while.
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>>1209129Wtf no its not. I have been posting in the thread though, that wasnt me. Its pretty easy to tell if youre a mod because all the free vpns i use are on the ban list, so any post i do make is a british ip from my phone.
Man i swear, anything even remotely sick or disturbing has to be Pipes doesnt it. Glad to know i still live rent free in peoples heads tho
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You know, if you just stop banning me and let me post civilly i wouldnt feel the need to post shit or accuse Moony of that thing but nope, you just cant let it go, fragile ego's and all that.
Mondo probably thinks hes Tracer and gets some kind of sexual gratification out of it.
I dont even post horrible crap on ponychan a ymore havnt done in a year. Boats pretty chill so i have no reason to rile him up. But your tolerance and forgiveness doesnt seem to exist.
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>>1209193>except that I refuse to consider anyone I can't be my true self around a 'friend' in the first place.Yeah I mean... I can't say I even have 1 actual irl friend in that regard. I can't be entirely blameless, though. There are people I know who I could probably be myself around, but I'm just not at the point where I'm ready for that.
>but it can be surprisingly hard to make them. Especially since my favorite people are often from anonymous boards and rather like that anonymity aspect.It is absolutely hard to make friends online, even when you're not dealing with anonymous people. The other options are like... Twitter/Bluesky, or Discord servers. For the former, it's usually the case where the people there aren't really people you'd even WANT to be friends with, even if they were open to it. For the latter, all the major servers you can go to make friends are usually way too crowded and/or insular so it's hard to make any headway with individual people. I suppose it's not really so dissimilar to going to a bar or a club irl, not that I've ever done that.
> I actually had the mistaken idea I liked arguing, 'til I really dwelled on it...When it's all you really know, it can be easy to think you like it. There are genuinely people who like arguing, it's why we have lawyers and professional debaters, but it really takes a certain kind of person.
>(black dragons are the best)LETS FREAKING GOOOO
> If you tell me WHY you think something, I'll be far more interested exploring, sharing what we both like and dislike, rather than trying to prove my point of view is better than yours...This is the way. Sharing opinions and reasoning in an open and friendly way is the key to good conversation.
>My idolization is of the "evil" western dragon, you see.Not surprising, and also same.
>I oddly enough want MORE hubris, MORE arrogance and MORE pride. To be a little pedantic, hubris is an excess of pride, so it's a little redundant. That aside, I totally respect that. Arrogance and pride are important, everyone needs at LEAST a little, if not more, to really be able to function. I definitely have my fair share of both. It kind of oddly simultaneously takes a lot to make me respect someone... and not really that much. I mean, it's not really that high of a bar, all things considered, it's just simply amazing how few people seem to be able to reach it.
>You have to be a little Careful I've noticed as some are fake. In it just for the community, the clique as it were. Oh, absolutely. As is the case with any community. You have your "larpers"/"posers"/"tourists", whatever you want to call them, and you have the genuine article too. (As a frequent flyer in the Otherkin and Fictionkin community, I have to deal with my fair share of these.)
> If you fight it, you'll be viewed as a trouble maker. As someone who attracts drama. Associated with a negative lot, without real care on the larger story. This is actually a major problem I used to have here on Ponyville. This place is allergic to conflict. I get that you don't want people fighting all the time, but sometimes conflict is genuinely required. When people are being shit, you should be able to fight that without being seen as the same as them. Same shit I used to have a problem with in school. You get bullied, you just have to deal with it, because if you fight back you're "not any better" or whatever.
>I'm wanting to push that way. But my soul is very accommodating to others. I dislike making folk uncomfortable even if it's unreasonable. It's certainly something I had to learn how to do. It's not something I can do irl in any capacity, but online at least I've overcome it. I guess when you're trans or otherwise LGBT you have to sort of learn to say fuck it and do what you want to do regardless of what other people think.
>AI stuff is pretty neat, and to me, while sure it has less 'intent', I find it will often still contain a lot of meaning within, albeit more as a 'discovery' than a created work.To me AI, especially when it comes to generated art, it's really an intermediate step. Like, I totally get why game companies are using it for concept art. It can be great for throwing out ideas and seeing them come to life in various ways. Even the quickest artist can't really generate the sheer *amount* of output an AI can in different styles and designs. I've used it as a springboard for design ideas for over a dozen different sonas and OCs in the past couple years. I still want to find an actual artist to make the designs truly come to life (and yes, support actual humans).
>If I could shape-shift today, I'd be something cute, after all. Same, 100%.
>Generic isn't necessarily bad. I think when it comes to fursonas and the like there's a desire to make them be as unique as possible to really drive home the fact that they are "you", and everyone is unique in their own way and yadda yadda yadda. But there is absolutely something to be said about being generic, especially when it comes to base design. Sure there are some very unique looking people out there, but... there's also a ton of people that look... kinda generic. Myself included. So a more generic looking design just makes sense. The uniqueness should come through due to personality more than physical appearance.
Also with my dragonsona, there is stuff that the quick AI generations that I've done don't quite pick up. She's supposed to be shorter than your average dragon but longer instead to make up for it. Not quite lindwyrm or anything too noodley, but definitely a little more snake-ish. She's also not SUPPOSED to have horns, but it's really annoying to get the AI to listen to that. Almost as difficult as getting it to not put white scales on the underbelly.
>I will say it's a gorgeous dragon, with an elegant style I adore.Thank you, I really appreciate it. Both you and my friend Terezi are what I would call "dragon connoisseurs", so it feels more meaningful lol.
>Trust me you can get crazy complex with it. Some of the guys on /trash/ are true wizards with it. I've absolutely seen some absolutely insane stuff out there. It's gotten to the point where it really does look like someone actually took the time to draw it out sometimes. Almost completely indistinguishable from non-AI stuff. But let's be real, the majority of people doing it are just paying some company with an online service to generate stuff with a lot less effort than they could be putting in. I firmly believe that not everything generated by AI is "slop" just because it's made with AI.
>Some of my favorite dragons sport simple designs.I'm not gonna pretend that I don't love a lot of the really insane designs that people make out there, but I definitely prefer simple. Most of my own designs reflect that.
>You're also killing a lot of down time at my work, so, I'm rather glad of it. I'm happy to hear it! Unfortunately I won't be able to continue to help kill time, I've really got to get some sleep now. I'll catch you on the flip-side
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>>1209199>There are people I know who I could probably be myself around, but I'm just not at the point where I'm ready for that.It's hard to do. Believe me, I know. Even with folk you meet online.
Opening one's most vulnerable and ultimately strange aspects is a gargantuan risk.
I'm only truly open in places like this in the first place, as consequence, and that's primarily because it's so deeply anonymous by its nature. Otherwise it's only in private moments.
I'm trying to change that. I've got dragon stickers, and wallpapers on my devices, and Wings of Fire sits openly on my shelf... But even that's in the rather rarely visited privacy of my room.
>For the latter, all the major servers you can go to make friends are usually way too crowded and/or insular Yeah... even then, if you somehow find a unicorn, the nature of discord makes it hard too. Conversations tend to be quick. If you aren't watching you miss it.
I've tried for a number of years. Didn't have much luck. Though I did at least have fun, til they did the afore mention change away from events, games, and doing things to just chatting emptily.
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>>1209200Snaaaaake, pay tention to meeeee. You are one of the only ones thats nice to meeee...
Snake im lonely and need frens and you have a hot voice from that vid you posted driving your car once
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>>1209200Accidentally tapped post. Ah well. Phones suck.
>>1209199>LETS FREAKING GOOOOI will say I want to like white (or Ice anyways) dragons more...
But every time I see a black dragon I always end up liking them.
They've always got an air. A contrast of calm beauty at odds with a dangerous look.
Then again, my favored Icrwings did have a history of falling for black dragons too... so maybe it's inherent for those who identify with those 'white' dragons.
>Not surprising, and also same.Well now it's my turn to cheer, because LET'S FREAKING GOOOO
Recommendation for you if you're into them;
Vainqueur the Dragon.
Bit of a parody of the Isekai/litRPG genre, where the main character accidentally spills the beans on how leveling up works to a chromatic dragon.
Great lot. Highly recommend.
>To be a little pedantic, hubris is an excess of pride, so it's a little redundant. True, but, the excess is part of it.
You ought know your limits of course. But, as an example, is it not my own hubris to aspire to the standards of a dragon?
Especially lacking their inherent means.
>Otherkin and Fictionkin community,Never prodded these but I wonder if I should.
Kobolds are essentially, or maybe not 'essentially' as 'genuinely', my 'spirit animal' as it were.
>You get bullied, you just have to deal with it, because if you fight back you're "not any better" or whatever.I've a very, very strong hatred of this. Thankfully I've never had it come up. But boy, I would've been fuming.
I had the same issue here. It's why I'm admittedly somewhat bitter still to the staff. It's a long, long time ago, though. Literally over a decade. But I remember that exact problem. All the funnier given their desire to select the option that minimized conflict also meant they'd have 200+ post threads on canterlot going back and forth for weeks...
Embarrassingly some of them are still present.
>I guess when you're trans or otherwise LGBT you have to sort of learn to say fuck it and do what you want to do regardlessI've a similar perspective on the opposite side funnily enough, but I do agree with the sentiment.
Not to put too big a fuss on it but essentially my saying "being gay is a choice, I've made that choice, I'm quite happy with my choice" can get things rather heated.
>AI can in different styles and designs. I've used it as a springboard for design ideas for over a dozen different sonas and OCsHuge part of my like for it as well. Especially as someone who is not an artist, despite poking at it for a long while.
To me, it's a means to discover. Not a replacement for art, just a way to visualize something you're seeking.
And of course like you, I'd love to support artists as well, afterwards.
...Albeit social woes and fear of the reaction to AI reference material halt that from happening.
>The uniqueness should come through due to personality more than physical appearance. An extremely good way of saying it.
Also something that can come through the art, too.
Many of my favorite pictures are my favorites because of the expression, not the design, of the character.
>Not quite lindwyrm or anything too noodley, but definitely a little more snake-ish. I know what you mean thanks to the ways some folk draw Rainwings occasionally. It's a very cool look I must say.
>but it's really annoying to get the AI to listen to that. Adding heavy weights to that and occasionally a lot of inhabiting are the only ways I've found.
Have a similar issue but for hair. At least one of the models i used LOVES hair. Major irritation.
>dragon connoisseursTo be fair as consequence of that there's few I don't love, I must admit. But nah, genuinely has a great vibe. The soft shift of grey adds a lot. And the blue eyes, at least on that one pic, give a solid contrast that immediately catches my eye.
Also reminds me of Aileen who I love. I'm gonna be so mad when they humanform her.
>But let's be real, the majority of people doing it are just paying some company with an online service to generate stuff Tragically true, but, I would add... a lot of artists make deviant art slop that's barely above a crayon scribble.
As you say, it's heavily dependent on the individual and the piece. One guy I've seen straight up combines traditional work with the ai to get amazing results. A bit fetishy, but if you're inclined, look for Leeto on E6ai.
>'m not gonna pretend that I don't love a lot of the really insane designs that people make out there, Oh, same for sure. Albeit I do love the simple. Ever since reading Mating Flight I've fallen in love with flashy sparkledog esque designs as well.
>ve really got to get some sleep now. I'll catch you on the flip-sideThis obviously comes well after, but, do take care. It's been an absolute pleasure.
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>>1209201>not a dragonEeeehhh... no. No I don't think I will
My attention requires scaled features.
>You are one of the only ones thats nice to meeee...It's strange, but, I guess cause I know you're always trolling, I never could hold a grudge.
Also because you're secretly a HUGE softy who LOVES his pchan frens <3
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>>1209203But Ponyville is mean to me :c
I promise i will stop making up baseless alegations against Moony and be nice from now on
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>>1209093>>1209095>>1209097Just for the record, while Boat's IP is permabanned, as an unfortunate byproduct of permabanning Nonny, since they lived together at the time, Boat is quite welcome here, as it was never intended for him to be permabanned as well
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>>1209191Oh cool, an Eris sighting. Takes me back to old ponychan. Missed you.
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>>1209183>Though, I did have to once quite literally yell at Nonny "I AM SEVERELY AUTISTIC" How it went down...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlrlALLiGq0 No.1209222
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>>1209221I'm pretty sure they implied that's why they aren't bothering enforcing anything against boats' ban evading here.
If they wanted to be fair to boat they'd have to adopt an account system, but otherwise all they can do is ban IPs
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Why would anyone permaban Nonny? He's just a harmless larper
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>>1209095>>1209183>>1209224Why would anyone want to be friends with that alcoholic loser in the first place? He's a drunk, trans-homophobic, racist, sexist POS nazi and anyone who likes him is probably a closeted bigot.
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>>1209221>>>1209222This really. the idea of accounts has come up a few times, and I can't remember the exact reasons but ultimately it was decided that we don't want to do an account system. it's all a big mess really, and I don't understand most of it, and I certainly don't want to have that conversation again now. bbut yeah, accounts would be the only way to be fair to that household.
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>>1209228Because Nonny is actually a big softy, a huge dork, and is actually cool with literally anyone.
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>>1209236He does have a tendency to overreact, though, at least from my experiences with him. 90% of the time he's chill but then someone says something that makes him mad and suddenly he's spouting a bunch of vitriolic nonsense. To me it's pretty clear he's just trying to get a rise out of people, but it's no surprise he gets banned from a place like this for doing it.
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>>1209233While true, most folk on places like these come for the lack of it.
I mean, I know I did. Never had luck on forums. One of those things.
Though you might be able to get away with it with a 'pass' system without the pay part.
Basically everyone else has to deal with captchas but for those with accounts.
Keeps the main stuff, since the account is just for that captcha, while still making it easier to 'ban' folk.
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>>1209237Used to be an issue for sure. He's mellowed our a whole lot. Though he still does troll.
Most of that was drinking way too much while way too stressed, while dwelling on things that make him depressed, insecure, and bitter.
If I wasn't such an absolute brick wall bullheaded slab, I'd likely not be friends with him.
But the afore mentioned 'someone says something about me that's not true so I give a 500 paragraph diatribe with citations' aspect let me kind of bully my way through it.
Though we did definitely stop being pals a couple times as a result to be fair, mind you.
>and suddenly he's spouting a bunch of vitriolic nonsenseNonsense is apt. He's typically throwing it out there to hurt others, alone, not because he believes it.
Not good of course, mind you. But as an example he gets misconstrued as a 'transphobe' when I know for a fact he's dated a few of the sort, not to mention erp'd and generally befriended a lot more. Albeit that's online mostly, but still.
>it's no surprise he gets banned from a place like this for doing it.Oh for sure.
I won't ever say he didn't deserve it.
I've told him that directly. Last time it happened I straight up told him he had it coming.
He's just a trouble maker and a troll who holds grudges and gets, or used to at least, overly emotional sometimes.
He's also gay as heck 'Cause he won't play 7th with me.
Nonny, if you're reading this: Stop telling people you're an Alaskan eskimo. It's killing me. I am dying every time. Please.
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>>1209200Not gonna lie, unless the dragons are anthropomorphic, most people will just assume you like dragons like a normal person. Like... most people like dragons. They're like THE most popular fantasy creature. You can even go really all out with it and people will just be like "Yup. That's a normal guy that likes dragons."
Funny story, when I first was interviewing for my current job a year and a half ago, I changed my phone background from some anthro character to an anime girl I liked. It's a lot easier to explain being into anime than it is to explain being a furry. (My job before this one, people saw my anthro phone background and would rib me for it.) While I'm not exactly against being seen as a furry, it is annoying sometimes to have it brought up when you're just trying to work or hang out.
>>1209202>white and black dragonsI mean, opposites attract and all that. I also don't dislike white dragons by any means, one of my OCs is an ice kobold. I like all the different types of dragons, to be honest. Black just fits me best, for a variety of reasons.
>Vainqueur the Dragon. Might check it out. I don't read a lot of litRPG type stories, but I'm not opposed to it.
>Never prodded these but I wonder if I should. It's not a bad idea to look into the concept more if you feel like it might resonate with you. But as far as communities go, it's kind of hard to find a good place. Most of the really active Discords are aimed at younger people and places that you used to be able to find people like Tumblr or Twitter are kind of dead now. I sort of got lucky with my main friend group, we sort of coalesced right around the time it started to be less popular. That said, you still end up finding people out in the wild sometimes. Otherkin/Therians tend to pop up randomly in Furry circles. It can be difficult, though, because you never know if someone is going to assume you're mentally ill because you think you were an animal in a past life.
>avoiding conflictThe irony of the fact that trying to avoid conflict often leads to greater conflicts in the future. World War 2, anyone?
>Not to put too big a fuss on it but essentially my saying "being gay is a choice, I've made that choice, I'm quite happy with my choice" can get things rather heated.Honestly it's not like the two ideas can't coexist. Why CAN'T being gay be a choice? It doesn't mean people aren't ALSO born that way. (Not to mention the whole "born this way" thing has it's problems, but that's a whole other thing.)
>...Albeit social woes and fear of the reaction to AI reference material halt that from happening. Yeah, it is unfortunate that a lot of artists won't even let you use it as a reference. Thankfully I have a friend who is an artist that is occasionally down to redo an AI reference for me by hand so I could potentially use it as a reference for a different artist further down the line.
>>1209239Everyone has their issues. Drinking certainly doesn't help.
Can't really fault people for taking issue with it. But there's a reason people have friends outside of public social circles. You can only make mistakes so many times in a public place before you're excluded from it, but your friends will ideally be there for you through it all.
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>>1209233Ive seen image boards try the account thing, crash, and burn. Reddit is a bit of an exception and actually rose from the ashes of Digg.
Translation: youre a poopoo head
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>>1209242Sometimes things need to die for better things to be born.
Also you're not allowed to say mean things here, I'm reporting you.
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>>1209236>Nonny is actually a big softy>Nonny is actually a big softy>NONNY IS ACTUALLY A BIG SOFTYYou have got to be fucking kidding me! The guy is literally a racist who despises the trans community, homosexuals, and anyone who isnt white! How can you even begin to defend nonny when you know damn well he is nothing more than an asshole who clearly has never been punched in the face before
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>>1209241>most people will just assume you like dragons like a normal personWell thats part of the intent. Though I think they'll catch on that you're dragon obsessed if it's a bit prominent.
Lewd aspects aren't really for public, after all. Though in truth is not nearly as big a part of me, as much as that general obsession.
Either way though, I used to be WAY more paranoid about it. I owned next to nothing dragon related, was terrified of anyone noticing. You're probably right that it's fine, though, and it certainly echoes my current experience
>It's a lot easier to explain being into anime than it is to explain being a furry.Oof, I know that...
I made the mistake once. I was able to brush it off enough, but it was a lingering piece of jabbing for a while.
Oddly 'scaly' stuff seems to attract it less. Though I guess my distaste for the normal anthro fare might be a part of that.
Even if your kobold's got pretty sizable hips folk won't think much about it 'til they see massive knockers, oddly.
>because you think you were an animal in a past lifeI'm not quite that far on it, partly due to not really putting big stock in reincarnation in the first place, but the whole "this creature represents my soul/I am a reflection of" type stuff gets a similar reaction sometimes I've found.
They either think you're some crystal astrology sort, or just a little loopy. Which makes the whole point of bringing it up feel pointless, embarrassing and altogether unpleasant.
>Honestly it's not like the two ideas can't coexist?Oh, precisely! It's a bit of a fuss.
I'm not sure how much stock I put in the 'born' aspect, but at the very least I'll happily concede that environment upbringing and oddities in brain chemistry absolutely can make it something that isn't a 'choice'.
But the idea that there can't be at all is just... Well, i feel like it just denies everything I've lived through, the discoveries I've made, the things I've done, tried, and explored, to get to where I am.
As a result I've been a bit fussy whenever someone tries to tell me "No, actually, you were always gay".
Outside of jokes, of course.
>You can only make mistakes so many times in a public place before you're excluded from it, Absolutely. It's why I won't really give him much leeway on it, if he wants to feign injustice.
I've other issues I'll focus on, but he's certainly not gonna get excuses from me.
>>1209245He's been punched in the face a lot, actually.
Man loves fighting.
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>>1209246>I think they'll catch on that you're dragon obsessed if it's a bit prominentThere are much worse things to be known to be obsessed over.
Thank god our culture has progressed to such a point where being into "nerdy" things is seen as normal now. I don't want some asshole obsessed with football telling me I'M the weird one.
>Oddly 'scaly' stuff seems to attract it less. Well obviously the answer is that scalies are just better in every way.
>Even if your kobold's got pretty sizable hips folk won't think much about it 'til they see massive knockers, oddly. GOD FORBID you give a "lizard" tits. As if breathing fire is more believable.
Though... mine doesn't really have either.
>Man loves fighting.Maybe he just loves getting punched in the face.
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>>1209248Oh that's a lovely kobold! I love those horns. And that's such a cool outfit.
She's a real cutie.
Incidentally this reminds me of an odd thing I've noticed... AI gets the tails right far more than regular people. Flowing properly from the spine, and being properly sized... Does tend to go long admittedly, but, I like long.
>I don't want some asshole obsessed with football telling me I'M the weird one.Right? Never got that. "Hey, I know the exact statistics of this one sweaty guy's ball throwing, and will make fantasy teams built around other of those guys... What? You do that with plastic tanks and soldiers? What a freak!"
Thankfully I missed a lot of that due to being too poor to get into it earlier.
>scalies are just better in every way.I didn't really want to say so because I'm obviously one, but, genuinely.
I suspect a predisposition towards scales inclines one to a higher rate of empathy. Pure speculation, though.
>Though... mine doesn't really have either.Hey, small tits still count! And honestly are way better than the massive fare.
They're cute, and cute things are always better.
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>>1209249>Oh that's a lovely kobold! I love those horns. And that's such a cool outfit. Thank you! She's one of my first D&D characters, an assassin who uses an oversized crossbow that's as tall as she is. Unfortunately she didn't last very long as a playable character because D&D 3.5, which we were playing at the time, doesn't allow for ranged sneak attacks. (5e DOES allow ranged sneak attacks, BUT they don't have oversized weapons the way 3.5 does, so it kind of makes it impossible to actually play her as she should be.)
>AI gets the tails right far more than regular people.Yeah, I wonder why that is. Maybe it's a logic thing.
>I suspect a predisposition towards scales inclines one to a higher rate of empathy. Pure speculation, though. I don't know if it's actually the case, but I definitely see the logic behind it. Cats and dogs and other furry animals are pretty easy to love. They're conventionally cute and have easily understandable personalities. They are easy to relate to.
Meanwhile snakes, lizards, and fish (and to an extent birds too) are more unusual. Most people don't find them cute. They're an entirely different class (in the biological sense) of animals. Being able to enjoy these types of animals despite how different they are to us does speak to a level of increased empathy.
>Hey, small tits still count! Well, she's not really supposed to have any, some of the AI images I have of her decides to add small tits, while others keep her completely flat. Or at least they reduce it down to just a sort of swell in the chest area.
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>>1209250>BUT they don't have oversized weapons the way 3.5 does,Nah, that's definitely something I've noticed as well. I've started 3.5 recently, and I will say I love the size category lot. It's been a ton of fun, especially since I'm playing a kobold myself. One who can turn into a dragon as it happens, too, albeit a tiny little one.
I've had a few kobolds, but unfortunately every time I've played them ,the games've fallen apart shortly after. No real luck with them I guess. Nothing specific to them of course, just bad luck on scheduling usually.
The game I'm currently in is the first time I've gotten to play one for more than three sessions, and it NEARLY died. We lost everyone but one other player, and the GM of course.
Tried inviting a few others, but it was the same deal. So we're currently coasting with just two. Me, and a halfling artificer. Hopefully we'll find some others, but, the GM's nice enough to say "We're gonna go through regardless" for the moment anyways.
He's also trying to convince me to run a maid RPG... Mostly because he doesn't want to get trapped as forever DM and I've mentioned being willing.
The 'Maid RPG' part more coming from a discussion me and him had a while back about a couple ideas... You gotta find the 'spy' in the mansion. One of the party isn't actually who they say they are. They're a fraud, secretly a man, you see, dressed as a maid to hide...
Except that the whole party'll be that. Everyone will think they're the spy. Be convinced that they're the ones who have to stay hidden...> Maybe it's a logic thingThat's my guess. The thing is, the AI's trained on people's art, but it's also running through the physical 'puzzle' so to speak. It's not designed to actually 'copy' people contrary to popular belief, just use their stuff to gauge what's 'right'.
Consequently, it's usually surprisingly good on the core anatomy. Or at least so I've found. It struggles obviously on certain parts, and it'll give weirdness when pieces overlap. But still.
> Most people don't find them cuteI didn't think of it around birds, but, you're actually right come to think of it... Folk more say they're 'beautiful' not 'cute'. Subtle difference, but substantial.
In either case, I've noticed folk often assume anything not a 'mammal' lacks emotions, intelligence, or feelings, just because of that it seems.
>some of the AI images I have of her decides to add small tits, while others keep her completely flat. I actually had this same issue;
The solution is hilariously simple.
Add the 'femboy' tag.
Due to furry femboys being largely designed like girls save the chest in the first place, you don't really get a substantial difference. Might have to add eyelashes as a tag, but that's about it
I used it for a cute sundress kobold I was doing a while back.
Bit rough, but it was when I was first poking at them. I still like the style. Maybe I should try it again some time. Especially since I've a new rig that'd probably be better suited for it. Albeit, it's an AMD, so it's more of a pain.
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>>1209251I just really love the sheer amount of options there are for 3.5. It's legit probably the most customizable version of the game.
A two people game is pretty tough. I'm glad you're able to keep it going, though, hopefully you'll find another player soon.
>Maid RPGOkay that sounds super interesting. I do wonder how it would go.
>In either case, I've noticed folk often assume anything not a 'mammal' lacks emotions, intelligence, or feelings, just because of that it seems.This is definitely a major thing. Nevermind that it's not accurate by any means. There's plenty of studies proving non-mammals feel the same sorts of things mammals do. Hell, even fish recognize and care about their owners, and they tend to be one of the more hands-off pets.
>Add the 'femboy' tag.That makes a lot of sense actually. I'm pretty much done messing around with AI for the time being, though. I've got pretty much everything out of it I've needed for now.
>I used it for a cute sundress kobold I was doing a while back. That's adorable.
Here's my most recent kobold character. Built for Pathfinder 1e, she's a Sylvan "Sorcerer of Divine Deception". Basically a sorcerer that's able to use their own arcane magical power to use divine magical items beyond their usual capacity. (Take a Wand of Cure Light Wounds for example. Normally it has a bunch of charges and once they're used up, it's done. A Sorcerer of Divine Deception can basically expend one of their spell slots to use the item without using up a charge.) She has a Roc as an animal companion.
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>>1209254I've played a fair few systems, but I'm inclined to agree it's one of the best for that, for sure. I wish it wasn't so cruel to martial classes though. Magic is seriously absurdly easy to break.
> I do wonder how it would go.I'll have to let you know!
Maybe I'll end up advertising it here. We'll see. It's not like I've really done much with it yet.
I also kind of want to move away from 'anime' to more 'anthro/fantasy' stuff anyways with it, so it'll probably need a lot of modification.
Also because 'furry/scaly' traps are the best,
> Hell, even fish recognize and care about their owners, and they tend to be one of the more hands-off pets.I didn't actually know that, but I'm not overly surprised.
Fish can be rather surprisingly curious, I've noticed. Put something new, not even in their tank, and you'll have a group of them coming by to check it out.
>A Sorcerer of Divine Deception can basically expend one of their spell slots to use the item without using up a chargeThat's super cool, actually. I really need to give Pathfinder another go. It seems like it's got so many cool ways to build a character.
I've only done it twice, and both were 'one shots' wit hpremade characters.
Still pretty cool at least. But, alas, short-lived.
I had a lizardwoman barbarian in one. She was pretty rad. No art for her, sadly.
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>>1209246It sounds like he hasn't been punched in the face enough. He is probably lying about getting into fights to sound tough. Just like how you pretend to be a good person despite being friends with a complete and total asshole. Nonny pretended to be black. He probably lies about dating trans people because he just wants to have some sort of predatory camouflage to stir up trouble. Even if he did, you can still have sex with a trans person and be transphobic. Just like you can a sleep with a black person and still be racist. You are just enabling and sympathizing with a bigot because your a cowardice lackie who doesnt want to admit they made friends with someone deplorable. Nonny calls people slurs on a regular basis and makes fun of homosexuals. You cant deny that nonny is only here in life to make others suffer. You can sit here and pretend that hes some sort of saint, but thats only because you want to be his personal bootlicker for some reason. You say he likes to fight? That doesnt sound like someone who is a big softie. That sounds like a straight up thug. And you sound like just as big of a piece of shit, just hiding under the premise of some holier than thou loyalty for someone who probably doesnt even care about you
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>>1209255>Magic is seriously absurdly easy to break.Unfortunately this is kind of just an overarching problem for all of D&D (and both editions of Pathfinder for that matter.) Magic starts off pretty weak but outscales everything pretty quickly. There ARE ways for martial classes to get around this, but they tend to be very specific builds.
>That's super cool, actually. I really need to give Pathfinder another go. It seems like it's got so many cool ways to build a character. I mean, 1st edition Pathfinder is BASICALLY just 3.5 D&D when it comes down to it. Over the years it sorta worked itself into its own thing, but it's still very clearly largely based on it. It's not until 2e that it really pulls away from D&D while still keeping it's personalization abilities.
>I had a lizardwoman barbarian in one.Oh shit that's wild, I also played a lizardwoman barbarian at one point!
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>Random person on the internet
"Oh MAN this guy STINKS"
>person who actually knows the guy personally
"Actually he's not that bad."
>rando
"Actually he's terrible and also you suck too just for knowing him."
great conversation fellas, keep it up. very productive.
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>>1209256>You say he likes to fight? That doesnt sound like someone who is a big softie.You'd be surprised. Honestly, I've encountered it a few times. Lot of huge musclemen types're really softies. Same for some soldiers I knew over the years. The kind of guys telling me how they had to sit on some tower hosing their M249 downrange to pin some guys down, will give me a genuinely sorrowful description of the moth they ran into on their moonlight walk, that's been knocked out after flying into a light.
Turns out humans are capable of pretty substantial contrast. They're not all so black and white.
>>1209258Also this. Ha. Kind of funny how that works with some folk, ain't it?
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>>1209263TELLING A SOB STORY ABOUT A BUG, DOESNT MAKE YOU A SOFTIE AND IT CERTAINLY DOESNT JUSTIFY YOU TO BE A MASSIVE PIECE OF SHIT!How hard of a concept is it for you people to understand?! Nonny doesnt have ANY redeeming qualities that justify his behavior. And you trying to protect him is disgusting.
>>1209258You are apart of the problem.
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>>1209257Man, I love this image. I think it's the size difference. The way the bird looks down on her is adorable. Gives the vibe they're the 'protector' of sorts, despite being the kobold's familiar.
>Unfortunately this is kind of just an overarching problem for all of D&DI suppose so, though I feel like 5e was a bit more balanced with it. Or at least, I never quite felt the same issues as I've seen there, when I played a higher level campaign.
Though I was admittedly a half caster as a Paladin.
That one I played a skeleton.
> It's not until 2e that it really pulls away from D&D while still keeping it's personalization abilities.Now that you mention it, I'm pretty sure it must've been 2 that I played. Because I remember some weirdness around actions. Like, movement wasn't a separate action, and such.
Hard to say, it's been quite a hot minute.
>Oh shit that's wild,She was a lot of fun! Due to some oddness in the choices, she basically got a fire aspect to add to her attacks. Made her pretty terrifying up close! Especially since we were fighting in a cemetary, which helped MASSIVELY against some ancient types we, at least according to the GM, were actually supposed to run away from.
It was a very tough fight, so, we probably should've. But, you know how stubborn players can be.
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>>1209267>! Nonny doesnt have ANY redeeming qualitiesI'm sure he's got some!
He's pretty tall, right?
Wait, no, he's a manlet...
He's got great tastes!
Wait, no, he plays Nurgle...
W-well, he's very well read!
Wait, no, he refuses to read anything I've suggested...
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>>1209270You are focusing on interests and appearance.
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>>1209271I'm cracking a joke at his expense.
I was hoping it was somewhat obvious, but, my stance is basically as Eris alluded to;
You don't know him. You're not a friend of him. You're some rando.
You don't like him, I get that. You probably have reasons not to like him. I get that, too.
I just don't really care. It's not gonna change my feelings on him, nor do your own personal experiences make him an irredeemable monster.
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>>1209268>Gives the vibe they're the 'protector' of sorts, despite being the kobold's familiar.Not totally wrong! One of the reasons I went with a Roc is because they can act as more of a combat "pet" instead of just your usual familiar. Helps make up for the sorcerer's lack of martial ability.
>Or at least, I never quite felt the same issues as I've seen there, when I played a higher level campaign.I think they've certainly made it better than older editions, but the amount of shit a magic user can do is still way more powerful than even the best martial class. Just the fact that they have AoE and Control abilities kind of says it all. A martial can pretty much only focus on like, 2 or maybe 3 people at once IF they're all next to them. Meanwhile most offensive magic attacks can target multiple enemies at different distances from each other and the caster themself. Martials definitely tend to make up for it in shear damage-dealing ability (most of the time) but I can certainly see why people might think casters have the advantage in most cases.
> Because I remember some weirdness around actions. Like, movement wasn't a separate action, and such.One of the major differences for 2nd edition is that each character gets 3 actions per turn. They can be used for movement, attacks, and other abilities. Some things take more than one action. Attacking multiple times in one turn comes with a stacking penalty. That sort of thing.
The other major mechanical thing is that magic is split between 4 different sources. Arcane, Occult, Divine, and Primal.
There's also differences in how feats work and stuff like that.
In functionality, it also relies heavily on the DM to basically do everything "behind the scenes". Rather than the player rolling checks, the vast majority of things are "secret checks" that the DM rolls. (When me and my friends play it, we tend to leave this part out because it's just less fun in our opinion and makes the DMs workload so much higher.)
>were actually supposed to run away from.This is always funny. "You... you guys weren't supposed to be able to do this..."
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>>1209273>Helps make up for the sorcerer's lack of martial ability.Makes sense! I need to get something for my 3.5 character in the same style... I was actually looking through some feats to fix that. Potentially could use some of the stuff to swap my familiar, for something scarier, too.
Potentially looking into a dragon. Mostly because then my kobold gets a dragon mentor!
>Martials definitely tend to make up for it in shear damage-dealing ability (most of the time) but I can certainly see why people might think casters have the advantage in most cases.True on both respects.
The paladin is absurd for single-target damage. But he's not got much multi-targets, so I can see why folk look at him and feel like he has less impact, since any fight greater than five enemies, you're struggling.
RAW incidentally you declare smites after hit, and crits are determined after hits... So you can massively spike your damage by simply spending your big spell slots after crit for massive damage.
Alas, some GMs don't like that, so it's hit or miss.
>Rather than the player rolling checks, the vast majority of things are "secret checks" that the DM rolls.That sounds... A little dubious.
I dare say your friends make the right call.
I get the idea. if you're searching the room knowing you rolled low makes you think there's something there that you missed.
But still.
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>>1209275>Potentially could use some of the stuff to swap my familiar, for something scarier, too. There should be some kind of advanced familiar feat you can take in 3.5, similarly to how it's done in Pathfinder.
>Potentially looking into a dragon.This is pretty much up to the DM if they'd allow that. For instance, when it comes to having a Roc as a companion/familiar, it's specifically stated to be an *Adolescent* Roc. If I was the DM I'd allow something similar for a dragon.
>The paladin is absurd for single-target damage.The smites are fucking insane. My first 5e character was actually a paladin but this was years before BG3 came out and taught me the ideal way to play one, so I wasn't able to make it work as well as I could have. Still was pretty fun, though.
>since any fight greater than five enemies, you're struggling.And this is why it's a group-based game! A Paladin is super useful for those really hard hitting major enemies, but they need people to assist them when it comes to multiple enemies.
>That sounds... A little dubious.It's definitely A Decision, that's for sure. To me it really makes the game a lot more boring, since rolling dice for shit is like, a major aspect of what makes these games fun for me.
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>>1209276>of advanced familiar feat you can take There is indeed! I'm still debating between either Improved or Dragon. Both offerings giving pretty strong companions, though they do require level 7 casters to pull off. Or a way to boost it, anyways...
>it's specifically stated to be an *Adolescent* Roc. It's a similar case here, as the dragon is very much a wyrmling in the feat description. But, hey, still a dragon, and I doubt a kobold would care so much.
Though it is a mite funny, since he's a dragonwrought, he's also pretty old, and liable to be far more so than the dragon he's serving...
>so I wasn't able to make it work as well as I could have.To be fair, of all classes, paladins are honestly the best to build unoptimized.
You're a half caster, so you're always equipped with utility. A martial, so you can always stand in front. And a healer, one of the most effective, which is massive 'cause it's also free in the sense that it doesn't drain spell points.
Most my characters are unoptimized. The only one I did do that way was my kobold paladin, which was a bit of a silly little guy even then, since he was a dex based shield paladin.
Way it worked, you'd attack, bonus action shove with a shield feat, and then attack at advantage. Good odds you crit, with that many attacks, and if you do... SMITE
Otherwise, though, I mostly played them for hte roleplay aspect. Paladins are my favorite that way. Zealous knights given powers from their patrons make for a lot of fun.
>And this is why it's a group-based game!Also true, and why unoptimized builds are still fine. If you've got pals to rely on, you can get by. Albeit, you might always struggle just a hair.
>rolling dice for shit is like, a major aspect of what makes these games fun for me.Same. Though I'm also a little of a special case in that I'll fully commit to the dice.
The dice are a huge part of it for me. Especially since I've always been terribly unlucky, and I find the dice's results often so brilliantly hilarious, as a consequence, since they inevitably leave me at hte worst possible time.
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Steel and leather, whips and chains.
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>>1209380My preferences tend to skip the whips, and iron > steel... But I won't complain too much.
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>>1209387Would you consider yourself a chain mouse then? I've met rope bunnies, but only heard of chain mice
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>>1209387Oh snake, you know I couldn't do that to you. You're like a brother to me.
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>>1209388No, but that's only because I refuse to accept anything other than a kobold.
Also because rope is good too.
>>1209390Aww, how sweet. You're like a sister to me, too.
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I AM HIM
IVE BEEN HIM
I WILL CONTINUE TO BE HIM
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Anyone here play 2xKO?
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>>1209450I have a friend who plays sometimes. He likes Darius and teams him with Teemo or Blitzcrank. I think he was using the ninja girl recently too. I watch him and yell at his bad decisions.
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>>1209453Send him to the fight
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Don't mind me I'm just waiting to see if Mikie surfaces.
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>>1209256He spars at fighting gyms mostly.
The only rotten thing I have seen him done was editing some posts without telling the poster. Feels... I dunno. Gaslighty? He edited them in such a way that the poster could tell so then again not so gaslighty.
When I talked to him IRL on discord he seemed angry and had one thing and another to say about me. I value that shit though, having trouble telling when I'm a bad person on my lonesome.
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>>1209496What if it's all a larp within a larp?
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>>1209499That he still wants to fight after spending so much time at a sparring gym? Yeah I guess that makes little sense but every person is unique. Like he can't have the rage beaten out of him. Like he's too angry to die.
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>>1209528How do we stop that which is too angry to die?
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>>1209545
>Mommy, can we have Nonny back?
We have Nonny at home sweetie.
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>>1209548
I could do a better nonny impersonation than that.
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Just a general warning to the thread. We are choosing to be lenient in this thread with what appears to be sarcastic humor of a style that is normally kept to a different website, but please steer clear of actual insults, drama, or impersonating banned users.
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>>1209552Nonny is definitely an alcoholic..I don think nonny actually has anga issues. I tink the internet just exaggerates the worst parts of people, and falsely exaggerates the best in othas. From what ive seen, he's chilled the honk out
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I like a drink as a treat every now and then, but I could never imagine stumbling into alcohol abuse.
Stuff tastes like poison when it gets too much and I'd probably feel like a sick mess afterwards.
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>>1209553Pchan x pville redemption arc? My fan fiction is complete..
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>>1209256Nonny lying about being black to give himself permission to be racist about black people is the core reason I don't trust him.
And his bullshit attempt to try and guilt trip me over judging him for it just buried any care I could have for him. He's one of those assholes who uses the cliché "don't pretend your shit doesn't stink" as an excuse to never wipe his ass.
But to give him some credit, he at least acknowledged that I am sincere in my principles. He's certainly better at recognizing that than any of his friends here.
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>>1209569(don't worry mods! We're all chill here)
That doesn't really sound all that bad.. I mean, what does it even matter if they're black or not? That kind of makes race matter more than it does. Worst case, you got-got. Tricked. It's more funny than unforgivable. How do you know they aren't actually black? I remember a picture posted arounds of a black trans girl that was supposedly nonny
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>>1209564I feel like alcohol is to beverages somewhat what spice is to food.
A little bt of alcohol gives you a mild shiver and makes you feel warm.
To me, drinks full of alcohol makes me want to spit it out immediately.
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>>1209572He told me himself over a discord call during the brief period I was open to being his friend.
And don't pretend I didn't already state the problem in the post you replied to :
>to give himself permission to be racist about black peopleI don't want to be froends with anyone who would do this.
Like I said and nonny recognized I have a lot of strong principles about this. Even when I assumed he was black I called him an Uncle Ruckus. I hate when the racially marginalized embrace racism against their own, but I will tolerate it. Nonny crossed a line.
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>>1209569I think it was more to demonstrate a double standard. Which is all the more humorous because... He isn't white anyways.
I can tell you from talking with him, he's not racist.
He'll be volatile some, sure, and he can say some nasty shit (he does that for literally every race, mind), but the guy does not give a damn about the race or creed, or background, gender, orientation, whathaveyou, of most anyone.
Probably because he grew up in a pretty diverse, and I don't mean just racially but like ACTUALLY diverse, community. Not the white picket fence suburbs most pearlclutchers come from, but, basically the hood. The rougher part of the city. Where the real G's reside, as it were.
Plus I guess the Navy. Military is rather wide-range for whom it grabs. Either way you get the point. I think the big trouble really boils down to Nonny saying a lot of shit to get a rise out of people, and people taking it way more seriously than it really warrants.
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>>1209582Guess it depends on your standards, but, no, I don't really consider the usage of slurs sometimes to determine how one'll actually view or treat others, personally.
Known too many gamers, after all.
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>>1209578It doesn't matter at this point.
He still engaged in something I will not tolerate among friends. Like nonny recognized, I have strong principles and absolutely do not tolerate people doing such shit even in jest.
And I sure as fuck won't be guilt tripped by any disengenuous asshole who would act like I'm somehow a 'pearl clutcher' or 'moral busy body' for judging people poorly for ironically acting like a bigot given how often that often leads to sincere bigotry.
And yeah, this is influenced by growing up in an almost entirely white upper middle class inner city suburb in San Antonio (an otherwise majority Hispanic city) ... surrounded by
sincere southern white supremacist.
And nonny wasn't trying to point out a double standard, he was trying to put words in my mouth. Like I said; I called him an Uncle Ruckus, a character from The Boondocks who was an old black man who hated black people and hated himself for being black. He
conveniently ignored that I
still criticized him for that shit even after he claimed to be black. That kind of gaslighting just buried my trust for him even further.
No.1209585
>>1209583I sure am glad I have your judgment to tell me I'm wrong
What would I do without people like you
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>>1209584>for ironically acting like a bigot given how often that often leads to sincere bigotry. I suppose this is the core issue.
I don't think it does.
I think banter brings people closer together.
I think actively policing such things to the point of inquisitorial purity purges actively creates resentment, instead.
And I think that resentment, far more than anything else, creates racism.
>And yeah, this is influenced by growing up in an almost entirely white upper middle classAbout what I expected, yeah.
It's a staple I've noticed with the mindset;
Comes primarily from those who live in the lap of privilege.
Also; Texas isn't southern.
>>1209585I didn't say you were wrong?
You seem a little slow. I can try to explain it more clearly if you need.
I think using slurs doesn't mean you won't be friends with someone different than you.
Get it?
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>>1209587Basically you can still tongue-kiss a black guy despite saying the N-word to some kid over xbox live.
Probably something Nonny's done a lot. (He's very gay)
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>>1209593I think you should move on to a different topic
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>>1209591Yeh, actually, gamers have always been pretty open on who can come in, because it turns out 'love of the game' is all that's required.
Why is this a shock to you?
>>1209593I wouldn't really say it's "really important".
I don't expect to convince you guys.
You seem to have a bee in your bonnet, as it were.
But considering other folk wander by and read things, I think it's worthwhile giving the alternative perspective.
Else everyone'll just take your word for it. And, having been on the other side of that sort of thing, it kind of sucks.
Despite the clear fact you hate me, I wouldn't wish such a thing even on you. It's left me more than a little scarred even all this time after.
No.1209596
>>1209594Oh forgive me I wouldn't want to appear uncivil next to someone going out of their way to defend bigotry
>>1209595At the end of the day, thid all days more about you than nonny. You're plenty comfortable with racism. It's okay, you can say it.
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>>1209596I wouldn't want that either. and I don't think anyone wants any drama in here, no matter who it's about. what is it you're after here?
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>>1209596I am more comfortable with what, as Andrea pointed out, is viewed by the upper middle class types as "racism", sure.
Largely because I know what real racism is, and it isn't cracking edgy jokes with friends.
Been too long on the internet for such a thing. Look, there's a reason the /pol/ meetups and showings to troll the HWNDU guff all ended up far, far more diverse than your average anti-racism protest.
It's cause they actually treat people equally, instead of paying lipservice to the idea, all joking around and having fun together instead.
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>>1209602That's alright, I could tell. Unfortunately, your type are rarely particularly literate.
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>>1209599>>1209602I think you need to drop it regardless.
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>>1209586>I don't think it does.You're wrong about that.
Prejudice is exacerbated in people who can discern what is hyperbole and what has 'grain of truth' to it.
>>1209586>About what I expected, yeah.>It's a staple I've noticed with the mindset;Comes primarily from those who live in the lap of privilege.
How convenient that you ignored the part where I said I was surrounded by sincere white supremacist. I was influenced by the disgusting racism and hypocrisy of the people around me.
Noonim, this crap is why I've always considered you a bad faith actor.
>Also; Texas isn't southern.It's in the south and is a former confederate state. I grew up there, stayed until I was 31. Don't act like I don't know the culture of my own state.
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Sometimes I wish Manley was still around.
Controversial poster at time, but it always felt like they really tried.
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>>1209586Also choosing to reject racist people for being racism isn't 'policing' anything. No one is entitled to a friendship.
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>>1209608I miss him too sometimes. he definitely tried, though unfortunately he also had a temper and just got into too much trouble to be allowed to stay.
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>>1209608He spread rumors aboyt people offsite. All he tried to do was commit narcissistic abuse
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>>1209606>Prejudice is exacerbated in people who can discern what is hyperbole and what has 'grain of truth' to it.Surely being able to distinguish the two is a good thing.
Besides; Even if we presume, as you seem to imply, racist hyperbole has a 'grain of truth', why does that necessitate treating others radically differently?
I don't think cracking a joke say about the British having bad teeth is going to make people start hating the British, even if there's a 'grain of truth' to such a thing.
>How convenient that you ignored the part where I said I was surrounded by sincere white supremacist. It's not particularily relevant.
I agree that upper middle class privilaged sorts are more likely to be racist.
Comes with the gated communities and ordered suburbs.
>Noonim, this crap is why I've always considered you a bad faith actor. Gonna be so real, it was always abundantly obvious that you considered me a "bad faith actor" by default, just for disagreeing with you.
The amount of times I got labeled some crazy bigotted evil supernazi by you make that self evident.
>Don't act like I don't know the culture of my own state.If you're calling Texas southern, you don't know what "southern" is.
Texas is its own thing by large, far more influenced by the west than the "south".
A big part of why it's such a staple in westerns, after all.
I grew up in the
actual south.
Spent most my life in Alabama.
Only recently moved to NC. Which incidentally I don't really regard as 'southern', either, but it's at least a fair ways closer, and probably should fall in, though the culture's rather different in a readily apparent way...
If you're west of Lousianna, you aren't southern. North of Tennessee, you aren't southern. It's really that simple.
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>>1209608>>1209611Rare instance where I'll agree with Andrea;
Big part of why I'm still jaded towards this place is how they handled the guy.
Basically could do whatever the fuck he wanted, rules be damned, because he'd usually make a fuss about it. A fuss that'd go around the actual community, as opposed to just threads on /canterlot/.
It wasn't much a surprise as soon as I stopped hanging around, he switched targets and caused problems for others instead.
>>1209609Nobody's entitled friendship, sure, but you guys seem to be insisting nobody else should be friends with Nonny either.
You seem to want to condemn me, boat, and anyone else who is remotely civil to him.
Nobody's entitled
YOUR friendship, but as much as you clearly wish it was so, you are not God. You are not the divine arbiter of truth. You are not the determiner of who is worthy and who is not.
You condemning and insulting others for befriending people you dislike is absolutely 'policing'.
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>>1209610>>1209611When it comes to onsite stuff, /townhall/ was a mistake.
When it comes to offsite stuff, I guess I get my reinforcement on why I never connected to anyone outside of ponychan/ville
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>>1209608>>1209610HELL fucking NO, my guy FUCK that shit. Manley actively made this site worse in every way. I would take 500 Nonnys over 1 Manley any fucking day.
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>>1209612>I don't think cracking a joke say about the British having bad teeth is going to make people start hating the British, even if there's a 'grain of truth' to such a thing.One joke sure. But when you drop the same jokes repeatedly, you induce what psychologist call 'the illusory truth effect' where the more often something is repeated the more it feels true.
This is why I judge people like you poorly, this crap just makes white people worse.
>It's not particularily relevant.>I agree that upper middle class privilaged sorts are more likely to be racist.>Comes with the gated communities and ordered suburbs.It's relevant given my experiences with racists, especially those in my family I disowned and disavowed years ago. That and others from where I grew up.
You're just grasping at straws and acting in bad faith to act like I am not deeply familiar with everything disgusting and racists about the part of this country I grew up in. Especially this cowardly no true scotsman bullshit of acting like Texas isn't part of the south.
>Gonna be so real, it was always abundantly obvious that you considered me a "bad faith actor" by default, just for disagreeing with you.Bullshit dude. I consider you a bad faith actor cause of how much you have in common with Manley and all this bad faith actor bullshit too.
You two were two sides of the same fragile narcissist coin.
You always ignore whatever is inconvenient to what ever point you think you're making and engage in all sorts of logical fallacies and strawmanning of what I'm arguing. You and your little clique ruined /townhall/ and acted like you didn't simply because you didn't use bad words doing it.
>If you're calling Texas southern, you don't know what "southern" is.>Texas is its own thing by large, far more influenced by the west than the "south".A big part of why it's such a staple in westerns, after all.
This is s truly pathetic no true scotsman.
I grew up in Texas. I have extended family in East Texas, near the borders of Arkansas and Louisiana, that part is an extension of the deep south. It was were all the slave owners were in Texas before the Civil War, it's where all the Jim Crow shit was was happening in the century afterwards. Hell, it's where you had historic sundown towns and a huge klan presence for decades after Jim Crow ended. I'm
deeply familiar with all the traditional racism that persisted there all the way up through to my lifetime, when I was a kid in the 80s and growing up in the 90s. I remember thatbback then there was a time when the town of Vater erecting a billboard outside of town saying 'Don't let the sun set on your black ass'. And I remember hate crimes against blacks still happening out there even back then.
I know the history of my homestate, you obviously know nothing about it when it was required learning in both my primary schooling and even in my higher education to know my homestate's history.
It's honestly really hilarious that you would point to westerns that take place in
west Texas as evidence that
I don't know anything about the massive state I grew up in. I grew up in South Central Texas and spent a lot of time in East Texas and the Texas coast with family, the three regions I'm most familiar with (if anything west Texas was the part I was
least familiar with given how far it is from San Antonio and Austin and how little reason we ever had to be there). This is laughable Noonim. What parts of the south 'cpunt' as part of the south is a matter of historical fact, not your subjective opinion
I'm deeply familiar with the consequences of treating bigotry so lightly given my experiences with people where I grew up, and it is the entire reason I do not tolerate when others do. Regardless of whatever bullshit strawman you just want to assert as reality.
>Texas is its own thing by large, far more influenced by the west than the "south".hahaohwow.jpg
You do know that one of the 'Six Flags Over Texas' (the namesake of the theme parks) was the confederate flag right? You do know that most of the original settlers of each Texas during the Mexican homesteading period came from the deep south right? You do know that to this day, the majority of the population of Texas is in the Eastern half of the state, right?
>Nobody's entitled friendship, sure, but you guys seem to be insisting nobody else should be friends with Nonny either.>You seem to want to condemn me, boat, and anyone else who is remotely civil to him.Personally I'm not condemning you for being friends with him or even civil. I would condemn you for acting like I don't have good reason to not trust him (or you or boat for that matter) or condemn you for condemning me or trying to guilt trip me for rejecting him for lying to me.
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>>1209620>you induce what psychologist call 'the illusory truth effect' where the more often something is repeated the more it feels true.If you state something specific, maybe. But I don't think cracking jokes about the British's teeth is gonna make people assume every single British person has wooden teeth. It's a fair ways absurd.
>This is why I judge people like you poorly, this crap just makes white people worse. Part of why I, unlike Nonny say you lack principle; You've always been a remarkably open racist, yourself.
You've immediately decided to condemn an entire race for
MY actions alone.
>It's relevant given my experiences with racists, especially those in my family I disowned and disavowed years ago.That's exactly why I didn't feel need to note it; It's something that changes nothing from what I was pointing to.
You, someone who grew up in an upper middle class privileged environment, have an upper middle class privilaged view on racism.
> Especially this cowardly no true scotsman bullshit of acting like Texas isn't part of the south. Then surely you must agree the South isn't actually racist. California's southern, after all. And California is incredibly liberal.
If you say California isn't southern, you're just pulling a dishonest, bad faith, "no true scotsman" by the way...
>You two were two sides of the same fragile narcissist coin. I've literally never once valued reputation, in the slightest. I don't care how you view me. I don't care how anyone views me. I know who I am and that is sufficient. "Narcissist" is such an absurdity.
>You always ignore whatever is inconvenient to what ever point you think you're makingI reply more than ANYONE on this ENTIRE site, point by point, line by fucking line.
It's to the point that threads I've participated have reliably had more replies in them than any else.
Because I actively try to reply to EVERYTHING, even when it's largely unnecessary for the overarching point, precisely
BECAUSE I want to avoid this notion that I'm skipping things inconvenient.
You just don't like how I adress them.
>and engage in all sorts of logical fallacies and strawmanning of what I'm arguing.You've literally done that this entire stretch. What the fuck are you on about.
I've not given any logical falacies, unlike yourself. Hell, your favored staple is 'ad hominem'. You absolutely adore defaulting to petty insults, accusations, and dismissals,
JUST LIKE THIS I MIGHT ADD to try to avoid addressing people's actual arguments.
>. You and your little clique ruined /townhall/ I would suggest it was more you and Fox who would go immediately to personal attacks and literal fucking death threats any time anyone disagreed with you.
Like, literal fucking death threats.
As in, you LITERALLY said you'd fucking kill me if you saw me on the street.
You're a psychopath.
>This is s truly pathetic no true scotsman. The irony is I'm pretty well sure you could point to any other southern state and make all these same arguments about "jim crow", the civil war, and racism.
So I don't see how it's a "no true scotsman" to point out the reality that Texas is not southern, as it's a WESTERN state, literally a staple in the entire frontier culture to the point the classic cowboy hat is regarded as a staple of texas...
>What parts of the south 'cpunt' as part of the south is a matter of historical fact, not your subjective opinion I agree; Which is why Texas is not southern.
Your opinion isn't gospel. Sorry. Cry about it. I don't give a rat's ass.
>You do know that one of the 'Six Flags Over Texas' (the namesake of the theme parks) was the confederate flag right?Genuinely, so fucking what? Do you genuinely think being in the CSA makes you 'southern'?
Virginia was in the CSA.
Virginia sure as shit isn't southern.
I'd regard Arkansas at most, and even that's a massive stretch on par with North Carolina.
>Personally I'm not condemning you for being friends with him or even civilOh, piss off with that crap. You've literally done that already multiple times. You want to change your tune now, because it's inconvenient to you.
>. I would condemn you for acting like I don't have good reason to not trust him I never said you didn't. And here, coming from the guy bitching and moaning about "STRAWMEN"
Again, truly pathetic.
> or trying to guilt trip me for rejecting him for lying to me.I've literally said you don't have to be friends with him. Why the fuck would I care if you're not friends with him?
Talk about narcesist. You can only think about yourself.
You know what, at least
>>1209602 was honest with the fact he doesn't read my posts.
You just love to pretend, while utterly ignoring anything not convenient to your shitty narrative.
Genuinely, go fuck yourself.
Get out of this thread.
It's supposed to be a Pchan refuge.
I was told this site's supposed to RESPECT the OP's wishes, but here you are
AGAIN, stirring up trouble for the third fucking time, in a thread you've made more than clear you don't even want to be in.
So fuck off.
Nobody here'll miss you.
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thank fucking god
No.1209624
>>1209623what is that the fifth time they've shown up to cause trouble?
are people just allowed to do that here or something?
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>>1209624who, Andrea? idfk
also yeah youre allowed to cause trouble here all you want, actually! as long as you dont start calling each other names and going all "FUCK YOU" "NO FUCK YOU" at each other.
this site has a LONG history of allowing shit stirrers to post ad nauseum so long as they dont cross the high-horse civility standard this moral chameleon website works off of.
And to be clear Im not saying we should allow people to be uncivil towards each other, we should just stop pretending hurling insults is the only way to cause trouble.
No.1209627
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>>1209623We'll see if it lasts.
I'm gonna bet despite it being one of many offenses in this same thread, they probably got the same hour punishment at best.
And Scoot wondered why I've so little faith in staff here...
All the worse when this thread's been genuinely comphy when the shit-stirrers leave it alone.
>>1209626Feel like 'civility' covers enough to get past the need for full bore insults.
Though, honestly, even then, if they just enforced shit evenly, I doubt it'd be much an issue.
The problem is folk showing up to cause trouble, knowing like here, they'll get at worse a warning, meanwhile that courtesy isn't given to anyone else.
Slaps on the wrist for the favored, basically.
Never could stand it. Not now, not way back when it was beefs with Manley.
No.1209634
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Good job on growing a spine and banning me again!
*applause*
>>1209626>>1209626>And to be clear Im not saying we should allow people to be uncivil towards each other, we should just stop pretending hurling insults is the only way to cause trouble.Yeah, this is the reason I lost faith in this site's moderaters and dropped all pretenses, especially on /townhall/
Fuck it's hilarious that I could deliberately provike the mods by hurling insults directly at them on /canterlot/ for not being strict enough about civil troublemakers and decided they wouldn't ban me cause 'that's exactly what you want us to do'.
I fled ponychan years ago around 2015/2016 and always wanted things to be stricter cause I wanted to 2011 ponychan again and feel like the mods here are too easy to bully with the threat of being disliked if they were too strict
No.1209635
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>>1209634I'm glad more people are finally coming around to this fact, which I have been decrying since the EARLY days of Ponyville with Manley. Unfortunately I don't think anything is ever going to be done about this unless we somehow retrain all our moderators or pick entirely new ones. (Which honestly, with the amount of trustworthy, active users on this site being so minuscule, will probably never happen.)
No.1209637
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>>1209634>Fuck it's hilarious that I could deliberately provike the mods by hurling insults directly at them on /canterlot/ for not being strict enough about civil troublemakers and decided they wouldn't ban me cause 'that's exactly what you want us to do'.Another one of those that suggest a bias you ask me, because they certainly didn't mind applying it my direction or a few others from memory back in the day.
Hell, they didn't mind applying the general civility angle... Or just making a dismissive wave and issuing a ban like it's a time out and they're some baby sitter...
But I don't find much use in bitching about the way things were handled near to a decade ago. Even if it feels like it's still the same.
Incidentally;
>I lost faith in this site's moderaters and dropped all pretensesThis is exactly the thing I was telling Scootaloo was an inevitability when you utterly fail to enforce rules consistently, accurately, and with so much as a modicum of forcefulness to it...
People stop giving a shit, become self admitted troublemakers, lose any moral consideration for your rules, and generally only cause you more headaches.
>>1209635Starting fresh is usually best, but, with a community this small, is probably not practical.
Albeit, fielding Pchan as an example, I don't think a leaner staff is exactly bad, either. We get most everything pretty fast.
No.1209638
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>>1209637Yeah, honestly, as much as I love Star and do think they're not a terrible choice for moderator, when they announced the new position I was like "What, seriously? Do we even really NEED a new moderator?"
except... I mean yeah we DO need a new moderator, just not ANOTHER moderator. They really should kick one of the others at this point
No.1209639
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>>1209638To be fair, I'm pretty sure half the ones you have are inactive at this point.
Though I'll admit that may be a guess 'cause I'm not familiar with them.
And looking at it... A bunch might just be pure technical team?
How the hell this random pony website with barely anyone left on it got a 5 man technical team? Weird.
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>>1209639The post is really confusing, it's actually just 2 tech people listed twice. Neither of whom are actual active posters. In fact, of all the people on the mod team, Mondo, Raindrops, and now Star are the only people who actively post on the site.
Moony is basically never around anymore, Starshine was never a very active poster in the first place, I don't even KNOW who Addy or Atticus is, Wizard is MIA as far as I've seen, and Piercing Sight shows up maybe once in a blue moon. Max and Foreground Pony are also rarely ever seen anymore, though Max WAS active for a good while, but since they're just the tech team it's kinda whatever.
No.1209645
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I got to be so real, this is the funniest thread that has ever been made on this site.
No.1209647
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>>1209645I just wanna talk bottom stuff, Palworld, and dragons, man.
Possibly all three.
Is that so hard?
No.1209648
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>>1209647Cool topics fren.
No.1209655
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>>1209648Appreciate it! We need more folk who like talking about such things you ask me.
Alas, it's sometimes trouble to find, save maybe the dragons and even then it's usually about jobber ones or rider pets.
No.1209657
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>>1209655I'm sure it makes me basic but my fav dragon is dragonair
>>1209656It got me to come back to this site for the giggle.
No.1209658
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>>1209647dragons are cool
(I spent the last hour looking for my drawing pad and I couldn't find it. so please enjoy this cat that I used as a reference once, instead)
No.1209659
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>>1209657It's worth a pop in every once in a while. Never know what you're gonna find.
I've been using the site more in the past week than I have in probably years just because of Snake here, he's fun to talk to.
No.1209660
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>>1209659True.
No promises that I will stay, I just couldn't stop myself from commenting.
I am mostly too busy these days for forums or imageboards.
I hope you have been well!
No.1209663
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>>1209657I never really thought of them as a dragon, outside the name and typing, just as a snake.
Fortunately, snakes are really cool, and I always liked the design, so they've stayed as a favorite.
>>1209658RIP. I know that trouble. I need to draw more...
My refusal to use references is pretty limiting, but I feel like if I really dedicated the time I could get proper good.
I got this Moonwatcher based on a fanfic I read a while ago. You can kind of tell I'm terrified of needing to draw feet or hands, but, I think it's overall solid enough, that if I just worked on those, I'd be able to get the results I want.
>>1209659I appreciate it. I'll not say I don't try, as it's my nature some to do so, but it is certainly easier regardless when you can talk about something you're interested in.
No.1209666
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>>1209663Holy shit dude that's a pretty nice little piece.
No.1209667
>>1209663I can understand that.
Sankes are cool. All reptiles are I think.
No.1209669
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>>1209663This here was one of the first drawing exercises I ever did. shading a marble with a single pencil
No.1209670
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>>1209666Thanks! Passion makes it easier, though I'm not going to pretend it's perfect.
Still, I try to be a tradesman about such things. Knew too many depressed artists who hate their work because it isn't perfect.
Way I see it, a carpenter, though he might improve and seek to better his craft, doesn't fret that his stool isn't as good as the next guy's.
People need stools. They don't have to be perfect or the best to be good.
Same is true of art. I want more lizards. I know I wouldn't fret if they're perfectly done.
>>1209669Pretty rad. Shading is a pain to learn.
I cheat whenever I do it.
Realized I can just do the same thing I do with minis.
Highlight the edges, basically, with a lighter shade. Just pick one side, rather than all of them, and you're mostly fine..
Not 100% realistic, but, it didn't take me near as long to figure out or to do as when I tried true shading.
>>1209667Based. All reptiles are cool. I love snakes especially, but, pretty much all of them I would hug. Especially alligators. Super soft scales, despite how rough they look.
No.1209674
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Does this ASS make my jeans look fat?
No.1209678
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>>1209674>that flat thing>an assJunk.
Quivvern mogs with her massive DUMPTRUCK of a rear
>image I got is a webp>won't workWe need to find whoever made these and fire bomb their house.
No.1209680
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>>1209678>>1209678The goal is to have curves not curve.
No.1209682
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>>1209606>>1209612Noomin has always been a bad faith actor! He's been doing this ever since the days of Toybox and MK. They would say something, he would say something back, be wrong, and then argue about it for the next month. Isn't that his shtick?
No.1209691
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>>1209641>In fact, of all the people on the mod team, Mondo, Raindrops, and now Star are the only people who actively post on the site.That is accurately the current active mod team, by some definition of active, since I'm admittedly more hands off than some people would prefer.
>>1209660A lot of people are too busy these days, or have otherwise moved on. It's kinda nice to see activity, though, even if it's destined to be temporary.
>>1209670Good outlook on art. Art isn't a zero-sum competition to have the best art ever. It's just fun to make art. And people probably want to see your art in the big pile of art, because people want a lot of art.
No.1209692
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>>1209691Make Nonny a mod
No.1209710
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>>1209699Yeah, this is at the core of why I left ponychan in 2016 to come here.
Basically all the assholes drove away those who weren't assholes and cried and played victim over it all the time, especially if they got reprimanded by the staff.
And the denialism about it was pretty pathetic too. The last time I was there was in 2017 when I was lurking out curiosity for whatever reason and there was a thread on /site/ that had a post where Anonthony was fresking flipping out over the existence of ponyville and blaming moony for 'dividing the community' as if he were some sort of sinister pied piper as if none of us would have left of our own free will and as if none of us would leave because of people like him and his asshattery, like he didn't have the spine to accept the blow to his fragile ego and blamed moony instead of confronting himself.
I stuck around here
despite Manley being here too, and I have become quite disillusioned with this lasse-faire approach to enforcing rules here and generally come here to hang out with all the good people who left ponychan for this site who are still here.
No.1209713
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>>1209682Pretty sure that's just called disagreement.
>>1209691The "two cakes" meme is forever poignant around art;
Folk want more pictures of their waifu. That's about it.
>>1209699>the people who wouldn't stop throwing temper tantrums until everyone left'Least from what I've seen, that's not been many folks cited reason.
But I've only been part of three schisms over the years, so, what do I know.
Usually the trouble was moderators cracking down, most the time absent of the rules, on Folk who weren't butt buddies with them.
People trying to run it like their own personal club, rather than enforce the actual rules.
No.1209721
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>>1209719Less the loudest, more, they tend to get into bigger fights, I'd suggest.
A lack of principle tends to mean they act according to their own 'vibes' instead, and that causes a whole host of issues.
Especially since I've found they usually insist they're not doing anything wrong when you point to blatant hypocrisy, as to them "well they're the bad guy" is sufficient to treat someone by radically different standards.
No.1209727
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>>1209724Nonny somewhat. I wouldn't quite say he has no principle, but he's certainly one who goes off vibe and emotion often. It's what gets him in trouble.
Boat, though? Definitely not. He's one of the more principled I've seen. And while you have clearly got your narrative, no, he only came to the forefront relatively recently, prior being someone known for being level headed if blunt. It was only the blatant issues that plagued Pchan's final days that got him the more 'combatative' reputation, and that was largely because he had been calling out shit that was blatantly untrue.
>People who were never outcast, but acted like they were, and probably should have been.Can't speak for the others, but I certainly was.
Mostly because I don't do the mundane socialization, and my absolute adherence to principle requires me to call out anyone regardless of relation.
Nonny's been caught by this a few times. He's one of the few who accept it, though, and don't hold it against me. Part of why I like the guy.
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>>1209724Noonim was basically a nobody (no offense) back on Ponychan, stop acting like he was some massive troublemaker or something.
I never even HEARD of Nonny until Ponyville drama, but I'm willing to chalk that up to me being not super active and not having my ear to the ground for people on Ponychan.
And Boat, well,
>>1209727 this says it all. Boat was not some big trouble maker either. Not even on this site! I remember him most from his posts about being an Uber driver or whatever. It wasn't really until Nonny started causing trouble that he was put in the spotlight.
You're literally just straight up lying dude.
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>>1209728Oh I also want to add that Moony has had a pretty high opinion of Boat in the past from what I remember.
Moony isn't exactly known for being open about not liking people, so if that changed at some point we wouldn't be aware of it. And maybe Moony's opinion doesn't mean very much to you, but he's not the type to talk highly of people if he doesn't believe it, either.
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>>1209735The only thing I know for certain Boat runs is actual Ponychan(.co to be fair)
That doesn't really make him a massive trouble maker, either way.
No.1209737
>>1209725Indeed.
But there's no reasoning with the unreasonable.
Most people have moved on to better things, and well, here's the thread for the website that clearly is running on all cylinders.
Considering this thread is more active than the site was, I wouldn't be surprised if its decided that running a site that most of the activity is spam is actually more trouble than its worth, and they will just stay here to argue about "the rules" and play the roll of the oppressed victims again. Till it shuts down too.
We watched the lifecycle of the early internet and mass communication play out for the first and only time.
Pretty neat.
Sad how it ends up boiling down though ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
No.1209738
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>>1209728None taken. You're right. Came with the afore mentioned lack of ability to do the mundane socialization.
I've made posts, talked to people, but it rarely went very far. Made few friends as a result, so I'm not surprised I wasn't overly note worthy.
>I never even HEARD of NonnyHe was anonymous up until shortly before Voidchan's launch, memory serves.
Long time poster/lurker, but, my understanding was he didn't really become a regular known figure 'til much later.
Thinking on it that's how it worked for Cat as well.
Long time poster, a little more well known due to using cats as his go to picture, but not really 'known' until way, way later, despite being framed by some as though he'd always been a trouble maker...
Albeit, in Nonny's case, I'm not exactly going to say he wasn't a bit of one.
>>1209735Sort of, but, that's something that came up after his attempt to relaunch Ponychan after the last guys decided not to do what everyone else had done for an absurdly long time of passing the torch to the next one.
Don't think that makes him a 'troublemaker' for the decades of posting prior.
No.1209739
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>>1209737Now admittedly it's been a bit since I looked and the site is down so it's hard to check, but... I'm pretty certain Pchan was still managing more PPH than Pville typically did.
Gonna be real, this sounds like the same sour grapes leveled to Voidchan, despite it also having comparable if not better activity than here...
You're not one of the old .net Ponychan guys still fuming by chance, are you?
No.1209746
>>1209727Typical attemped stand in for the the word logical. Principles aren't always good or logical. They're just beliefs that you stand by.
Boat is analytical.
No.1209748
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>>1209746While true they aren't necessarily (And, I would argue ideally) logical, principles necessitate logical thought, as you can't apply them consistently without it.
You're not wrong that they aren't inherently or automatically good though, either. But then, even if I vehemently disagree with someone's principles, I find them a mile more Respectable if they Adhere to them.
No.1209751
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>>1209750The first time in this thread
principles were brought up was by Andrea, in
>>1208940 .
As well as the second time, in
>>1209569...And the third time, in
>>1209576... And the fourth time, in
>>1209584In this particular back and forth, the person who brought to principles first... Is you, in
>>1209719To which... Wow. Shocker... I responded to the line, talking about principles.
Prior to that I only said the word once, to Andrea.
I get you have a hateboner for me, but this is honestly pathetic.
You're the one who brought it up. Now you're crying that I've had the audacity to respond.
Genuinely, how stupid do you have to be?
No.1209753
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>>1209752>"noomin bringing up the word principals in conversation"Again; The hateboner is just plain pathetic.
No.1209755
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>>1209754Ah, I see, my apologies. I didn't realize you were mentally stunted. Here, let me help you out;
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) No.1209756
>>1209755Wow, no need to be rude.
Are insults just your natural fall back?
No.1209758
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>>1209757The attached image was the continuation. The semicolon was meant to, essentially, direct you to that. Think of it like a hand gesture, if you will. Presenting it at the end of a statement, or directly saying "Here, let me help you out; 'Bring up means...'".
No.1209759
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This conversation has gotta stop, guys. There is literally no point in continuing this. I'm begging you to let it fucking go.
No.1209760
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>>1209759God fucking damnit.
No.1209761
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>>1209759Sorry about that. Can't even take a nap around here.
No.1209762
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>>1209761It's hardly your fault lmao, you're not the one engaging in stupid arguments
No.1209763
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>>1209761Oh man, that's really from YOU, dude?
After you gave ANDREA the benefit of the doubt out of "consideration for their situation"? Seriously?
No.1209764
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>>1209762Nah, I am so done with this...
They've literally shown up in this thread repeatedly... And done the same thing over and over...
It's chill as hell when they aren't around...
But, nah, everyone's gotta get punished, except for the guys actually causing the issue...
Place hasn't changed in the slightest.
No.1209765
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Scoots, because you were willing to discuss it before, I'll give you my contact info. I won't promise anything, but I'll at least talk to you about it.
But, yeah... I ain't really interested in playing the game any more with staff on this one. Not any more. Gave you guys the benefit of the doubt before, let the other ban be, but... Man.
I'm just gonna do my own thing for the time being.
the_river_acis
It should be that. Probably. I dunno. Modern Discord's a chore.
No.1209766
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>>1209764I get it, I do, I used to have this same problem with other users here. You have to literally just ignore them, it's quite literally the only way to deal with them that doesn't bring the site down into chaos and doesn't result in getting banned. As annoying as it is, if you engage and start calling them stupid, you're gonna get banned.
No.1209767
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>>1209763Do you want fair moderation or do you want preferential treatment? Anon was clearly the aggressor. you didn't have to engage.
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>>1209766>You have to literally just ignore them,Considering they're literally coming in the thread fully intending to do the same thing, with blatant impunity, as much as I'd love to, I don't see that working either.
Especially when folk like Andrea get slaps on the wrists and warnings, instead.
>>1209767So could you explain
>>1208908 ?
They were the agressor, fully. Nobody replied to Andrea. She came in here, from the getgo.
If this is 'fairness' at play, what's with the double standard?
Don't give me some 'hardly first offense' crap, 'cause you guys went with the same fare yesterday, too.
No.1209769
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>>1209768I mean, they are just going to keep posting. But you literally have to just not respond to them and let it go. Report them as well, for that matter. I get that it's not easy, but it will be better than wasting time responding to them and getting in trouble.
Though, once again I am begging for the ability to minimize specific posts in threads. (Obviously a block system wouldn't work with an Anon.)
>>1209765Do you mind if I add you?
No.1209770
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>>1209769>Do you mind if I add you?Oh, by all means. Meant to say so.
> Report them as well, for that matter. I get that it's not easy, but it will be better than wasting time responding to them and getting in trouble.Reporting sucks. Never really understood why folk do it so freely. I hate the idea of getting others in trouble at the best of times...
But, yeah. You're not entirely wrong. Though my lack of meaningful faith given... Well, other stuff, let's say. It feels rude to make a fuss now.
But I'm going to leave it be. Scoots is talking to me, as it happens, so, I'm just gonna cool off some, and avoid posting for a bit.
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>>1209769>Though, once again I am begging for the ability to minimize specific posts in threads. Huh, would you look at that, that's not a feature. I'll bug the dev team for you
No.1209778
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>>1209724>>1209728>Boat was not some big trouble maker either. Not even on this site!The first time boat ever interacted with me was when I went anonymous in a thread while trying to avoid Manley and I posted something like 'I don't like groups that are too exclusive, they tend to become echo chambers' in response to the topic of the thread and not replying to anyone in particular, and out of the blue he responds with hostility to that saying something like 'I dont have to listen to anything you say!'
I agree the guy wasn't exactly a troublemaking troll, but if I happened to express an opinion that was often the opposite of his, he'd get really triggered and treat me like I was some sort of horrible person and couldn't understand or accept that stuff like that was why I thought he was a huge asshole and treated him like that accordingly.
The thing that pretty much killed all potential respect for him was a thread on /canterlot/ I made complaining about mint-horse being really racist about Mexican people in a thread I made on /pony/ sharing pictures from a trip I took back home to San Antonio one Christmas, and the fact that he'd been repeatedly banned for that shit many times before that and clearly didn't give a shit about the rules here. Boat was accusing me of 'only hating him for having a different political opinion than me'. Boat wasn't the trouble maker at that time, but was really offended that I had a problem with the trouble maker.
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>>1209778Not exactly a refutation of the post.
Everyone has their moments. You're not exactly known for being always agreeable, either.
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>>1209778>he responds with hostility to that saying something like 'I dont have to listen to anything you say!'That doesn't sound like Boat at all.
> if I happened to express an opinion that was often the opposite of his, he'd get really triggered and treat me like I was some sort of horrible person and couldn't understand or accept that stuff like that was why I thought he was a huge asshole and treated him like that accordinglyLike you did with Nonny?
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>Meanwhile Nonny somewhere out in the void watching this thread
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>>1209782alright let's cut it out with bringing up Nonny for no reason. one might begin to think you're trying to cause trouble
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>>1209784>one might begin to think you're trying to cause troubleSure, if you're looking at it from a bad faith perspective or, perhaps, lack reading comprehension. Using context clues, they're clearly just pointing out the hypocrisy of Andrea with a comparison.
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>>1209785I do happen to have really bad social reading comprehension. but so far in this thread every time Nonny gets brought up trouble seems to follow
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>>1209787Is nonny even a person, or a
concept? No.1209789
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>>1209787So we're judging people based on the actions of others now?
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>>1209790
Anybody can put the name Nonny on their username space, prove that you're really him!
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>>1209793
Still could be anyone.
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>>1209790
you were specifically told that Moony himself would not step in but that we would. you are still banned.
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>>1209798Admin does not like to assert authority unless absolutely necessary.
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I suggest we all change our names to Nonny in solidarity. They can't ban us all!
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>>1209779Boat was pretty consistent in that, lucky he didn't show you that side of himself.
And I don't consider myself the most agreeable person either, I prefer to be brutally candid. Especially when someone like boat gets all hypocritical and attacks me for having innocuous opinions about diverse spaces and then accuses
me of disliking someone for their political opinions.
I mean, I especially do not tolerate people who pass of bigotry as 'just another political opinion' as if it only has the ethical weight of a different opinions on something like fiscal policy.
>>1209782>Like you did with Nonny?I didn't attack him and scream shit like 'I don't have to listen to you!' in reapinse to his racist bullshit. I told him I found it disgusting. I only told him to fuck off and drop him and block him on discord after he revealed he lied about being black in order to give himself an excuse.
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>>1209806I agree that bigotry is more than just another political opinion, since it actively harms people. The point I'm making isn't that it's as defensible as any other position, it's that it's not really appropriate to start up drama over someone's opinions when it's unnecessary to do so. If someone starts spewing racist remarks or rhetoric... report them. Don't engage with them and start up unnecessary drama. Posting that sort of thing goes against the spirit of the site rules, if not the letter of them. This is not the place to fight people over their opinions, even if those opinions are incorrect or damaging.
What I was saying isn't that your opinions are comparable, it's that you are both engaging in the same kind of behavior. Neither of you are going to convince the other to change their opinions, there is no positive impact to either of you yelling at each other about them. The validity of opinions doesn't factor into it at all. The fact remains that all it does is cause trouble. People are not watching you two on bated breath to see which one of you presents the most convincing argument, either. All they see is two people yelling at each other, making the thread unusable until you either get tired or get banned.
>Boat was pretty consistent in that, lucky he didn't show you that side of himself. The fact is, he hasn't been as consistent as you want me to believe. I'm not a random newcomer talking out of their ass about something I know nothing about and haven't seen. I've been using this site for AT LEAST as long as you have. I've seen a lot of your drama. There's been no need for Boat to "show me" that side of himself, I've seen it with my own eyes in his interactions with you and other people. In fact, my post that you responded to is me saying that he's not perfect and he's had plenty of issues on this site. But guess what? I've also seen YOUR posts and interactions with him and others. You've had your fair share of problems.
I've had my fair share of problems. Everyone has! That's my
point.
You think that because you have the moral and ethical high ground that that somehow means that the way you behave towards other people is justified. It's not. This isn't the debate stage. This isn't you making some grand stand against bigotry. This is a quiet little imageboard in the far corner of the internet and your insistence on battling it out with every person who says something offensive or expresses a harmful opinion is doing
nothing but making this place less and less enjoyable to be a part of.
My argument basically comes down to this: This isn't the place for it. If you think that an idea or opinion expressed by someone on the board is harmful, then report them. Let the mods deal with it. Focus your energy on something
actually productive. The only thing that getting into a big dramatic confrontation does is break even more rules and make the board a worse place to be.
Honestly, what I should be doing is taking my own advice here. Continuing to reply to you on this topic is not productive, I highly doubt you're going to change your behavior because of what I say and think. I would just delete this whole post if not for the fact I spent so much time writing it.
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>>1209806>people who pass of bigotry as 'just another political opinion' Can you give some examples of those opinions?
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>>1209807*My* entire point in that response to you and the anon was to point out that boat certainly *has* been a troublemaker. And mostly to explain that behavior as the reason I don't like him.
And I never expected anyone to be 'watching with bated breath' over who would be right in any situation. With boat I'd just lose self control *after* he'd directly attack me over utterly innocuous opinions like not enjoying spaces that are too exclusive, I don't make any justification for that. Like, I've literally never contested any bans I've gotten on this site, I'm not trying to prove anything to anyone else. Just losing my temper
Especially after the whole situation with mint-horse just being racists in my 'photos from home' thread. I grew really fucking sick of the saviour complex of both Moony and Addy over this. No where in the ponyville constitution does it say that by posting here *we* implicitly agreed to provide the emotional labor for *their* project to try and rehabilitate people like that. I just wanted a site like 2011 ponychan and my behavior was an expression of frustration over the admin's own narcissistic savior fantasies kind of being the ultimate source of problems on this site. Like, the whole fucking reason Manley completely fucked over this site for a while was because of Moony being biased to see success in his own efforts to change Manley and not have a healthy bit of cynicism necessary to recognize how two-faced Manley is.
I wish the staff were stricter about this stuff. I mean, just look at what happened in Noelle's pride month thread this year. I posted about an incident involving the police at the transgender pride march in San Francisco that I was originally intending to attend, and expressed my *feelings* about it, that's it, not take some "moral high ground" about it, literally just expressing how it made me feel about the police in that incident. But I guess a bunch of people thought that was some signal that they had permission to try to turn it into a /townhall/ thread like I was trying to take some noble stand or something, Noelle reported it, and Mondo comes in and says 'yeah I'm going to allow this', and a bunch of shitheads the equivalent of 'yeah she started it!' like a bunch of children fighting on a playground. At this point I'm *trying* to be insufferable to drive people away that the staff isn't willing to do anything about. Nothing noble about it, just pure frustration and ultimately a swing at the mods more than anything else.
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>>1209806>Especially when someone like boat gets all hypocritical and attacks me for having innocuous opinions about diverse spacesNow I'm only really able to go off / townhall/ because generally I tried not to argue politics on main, but... what you find 'innocuous' and what actually is, seem like two different things.
It's not really 'innocuous' to label half the country psychotic far right extremists who want to kill you, let's say.
>>1209807>All they see is two people yelling at each other, making the thread unusable until you either get tired or get banned. Tragically something I struggled with, and still do, for a long while. Kind of a pain. Especially when you end up with a reputation repeated by folk you've never even met. Though, in my case the larger issues was, it seemed to cut only one way, as 'who started it' was conveniently ignored and the whole 'two to tango' was used as excuse to go after only me. But I digress. That's the dark times of Pchan, not really here, albeit I did have some troubles that way on occasion.
>This isn't the debate stage. This isn't you making some grand stand against bigotry. This is a quiet little imageboard in the far corner of the internet and your insistence on battling it out with every person who says something offensive or expresses a harmful opinion is doing nothing but making this place less and less enjoyable to be a part ofThis a bunch.
Extremely apt.
Politics is toxic as hell, and really just needs be flatly banned from any community.
Maybe you could've talked it out once, long ago, but, frankly, shit's so devisive that there's not really much salvaging it. Some folk'll throw around threats, insults, accusations, and insist you're just lying about every single thing you say, even if it's mundane as hell (See, "Texas isn't southern"), and it'll just escalate and escalate as these types usually hold a grudge, claim those arguments are your entire personality, and insist that not only are you an evil scum who shouldn't be given the time of day, but as we see here again... Everyone else who does is ALSO a bad person.
Needless to say, this is corrosive as fuck for a community.
Politics are shit. Just don't do 'em. Leave it for X.
>>1209828>No where in the ponyville constitution does it say that by posting here *we* implicitly agreed to provide the emotional labor for *their* project to try and rehabilitate people like that.No, but at least talking to Moony, I think it's pretty clear he wanted the place to be home to most anyone. And that, I think, is the big piece.
"Love and Tolerate" was a mantra Moony took particularly to heart.
> I posted about an incident involving the police at the transgender pride march in San Francisco that I was originally intending to attend, and expressed my *feelings* about itYeah, this is part of why I'm skeptical about your claim of "innocuous opinions"...
It's not really 'innocuous' or 'just your feelings' to claim that the San Francisco police department are, to quote from
>>1208430 ;"arresting and beating up trans people a couple days before, seemingly indiscriminately"...
Especially when there's nothing to suggest that was the case at all, with witnesses pointing out that, yeah, some vandals were running amuck...
>At this point I'm *trying* to be insufferable to drive people away that the staff isn't willing to do anything about. Oof. If that's not an admission that needs be pinned to the wall and pointed to at every opportunity I don't know what is...
Explains well why you always default to accusations, generalizations, and attacks, I guess...
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>>1209778>The first time boat ever interacted with me was when I went anonymous in a thread while trying to avoid Manley and I posted something like 'I don't like groups that are too exclusive, they tend to become echo chambers' in response to the topic of the thread and not replying to anyone in particular, and out of the blue he responds with hostility to that saying something like 'I dont have to listen to anything you say!'I don't remember that at all, but if I assume it's true, it was probably intended to point out some blatant hypocrisy on the "anon's" part.
sort of like when I made that parody/mockery thread based on someone else's deranged Leftist thread in townhall, intended to show how batshit insane it sounded if you reversed the left/right, black/white, etc... only to have the mods read it as sincere and say "see? That PROVES boat is a white supremacist nazi!" while completely ignoring the batshit insane thread it was based on and created to highlight and mock.
My problem with your political posts is not the "I have an opinion" part, but rather, the "and anyone who thinks otherwise is an evil blah blah blah who should be blah blah blah etc trump blah blah etc etc."
Have a nice day.
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>>1209837>My problem with your political posts is not the "I have an opinion" part, but rather, the "and anyone who thinks otherwise is an evil blah blah blah who should be blah blah blah etc trump blah blah etc etc."This guy gets it. Though I'd skip the "your" and apply it to politics in general, albeit it's really only one particular 'side' that seems to be pushing it.
Either way, I've come to hate politics on boards/in communities.
Which is too bad cause I do like discussing them. It's just that it goes nowhere far, far too often.
I knew far too many people I got along with and generally really liked who basically went straight to full blown hating me, wanting me dead, or in at least one case from memory literally trying to dox me to keep me out of a job...
It sucks, and I've come to find politics is just toxic as hell for some folk.
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>>1209837>My problem with your political posts is not the "I have an opinion" part, but rather, the "and anyone who thinks otherwise is an evil blah blah blah who should be blah blah blah etc trump blah blah etc etc."And I didn't say anything of the sort the first time you attacked me for an opinion about exclusive spaces. You just got triggered by it for some goddamn reason.
You're a goddamn hypocrite.
Like that time chain made some dumb thread posting a link to a silly study on race and penis size and someone made a comment like 'oh wow holy shit' over the fact the study used the words mongoloud caucasoid and negroid and decided that was reason enough to turn it into a debate thread over whether or not those were 'legitimate scientific terms' and then play victim over it afterwards, despite no one forcing you to do it, even calling yourself 'persona non grata' over it in a later thread.
I mean fuck, half the reason I find you so fucking insufferable is that you act like a fucking narcissistic little victim to the point you'd drop in the story thread to start a fight over the fact that someone there on your ponychan posted a link to a thread here.
>>1209830>It's not really 'innocuous' or 'just your feelings' to claim that the San Francisco police department are, to quote from >>1208430 (You) ;"arresting and beating up trans people a couple days before, seemingly indiscriminately"...No, those
aren't my feelings, that's the
context you disengenuous little ass. It followed from the
same god damn post where I said
>>1208430>The thing that so pisses me off about the incident is ... So fuck off with your bad faith bullshit.
I expressed my feelings on it based on how I understood the situation to go down.
That didn't give any of you adult toddlers from /townhall/ and ponychan license to turn it into some goddamn debate thread, just because you wanted to argue over whether or not it was fake news like the cowards you are.
Get the fuck off ponyville, both of you. I'm not going anywhere
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Jeez, why is ponychan.co still dead?
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>>1209841Do you have anyone to voice your frustration to? Because they seem to be banning you a lot here and that crap only makes things worse.
This site is rage-caging you.
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>>1209840I've known too many gamers/4channers to suggest it is.
>>1209841I... Was going to make a rather length reply to this, but, both for Eris' and Scoot's sake I think I'd best not.
I still hate clicking 'report' on things, so I'll refrain here, but, I'm pretty sure calling people a "disengenuous little ass" crosses some lines, so I'd suggest taking Maroon's advice.
Dunno why but my mind still says "Well I don't want to get Andrea in trouble", but... Bleh. I don't know. It's stupid, but that's just the way I am, I guess. And I'm not sure it's something I really ought change anyways.
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>>1209828Am I... reading this correctly? You're literally admitting to trying your best to make this site worse?
I was honestly giving you the benefit of the doubt here. I was HOPING this was you trying to make a point of calling out bigotry, thinking it was somehow doing something positive, which would at least justify your actions somewhat. I was pointing out that all it does is disrupt the site because nobody's opinions are going to be changed and there's no real-world threat because this site disallows that sort of rhetoric through enforced civility standards and a politics ban. I was thinking you were doing something for good reasons but ending up with bad results.
But here you are, admitting that your behavior exists solely to disrupt the site.
CLEARLY this board is not the 2011 Ponychan you wish it was. Acting the way you do is not going to force it to become that, you're just making a worse experience for literally everyone, not just the people you hate.
If you dislike the way the site is ran so much... stop using it. I don't
want to say "just leave" because you do bring a lot of good things to this site,
when you're not purposefully being disruptive. But at this point, what else is there to really say? It really seems to me that you would be much better off just not being here. And the site would too. Someone who actively works to make the site worse is not someone who should be on the site.
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>>1209846>>1209853I TOLD myself last night that I wasn't going to respond to anything on this topic today, but this literally just made my mind explode.
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>>1209853> because you do bring a lot of good things to this siteA staple of why I hate the way politics seems to've ruined absolutely everything with communities across the board...
I mean, genuinely now, hanging out with Toybox in 2nd Life showing me the ropes is genuinely one of my favorite memories of my time on the internet. It was super cool.
But, with the way things went, that all got pretty much tossed out the window, as I'm pretty sure she just straight hated me in the end.
Albeit, that one's also due to staff things, but... Still.
I think the politics at the very least caused the start of things breaking.
>>1209854I'll not blame you, mostly because that's how I've been feeling on it for a while. That and the afore mentioned troubles of feeling like I need explain myself exactly, clarify what the reasons are, and generally give detailed accounts that... I'm pretty sure most folk don't read anyways.
But, I
am trying not to. Pain in the rear though it may be. Or, well, perhaps better described as an 'itch' that, once scratched, will only itch more.
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>>1209856The funny part is that we're all aware of this and yet we just can't seem to stop.
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>>1209841Banned over 6 times within the past like month, let alone year. So if you're a stickler for the rules; why is Nonny permabanned and Andrea not?
Making Raindrops a mod was a mistake in my opinion. Never hire a jarhead for an officer's duty.
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>>1209862Moony understands that to run a successful site, you have to be willing to put aside your friendships for the greater good of the site.
>>1209861>Making Raindrops a mod was a mistake in my opinion.Raindrops has been the only person actively working to make changes to the site on both an overarching level and a moderator level. Raindrops is the only person actually doing shit.
Raindrops is also not the only person who gets to say if someone is permabanned or not. It's not up to individual moderators to permaban someone. Even if Raindrops wanted to do it, they wouldn't be able to unilaterally make the decision.
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>>1209874It is sad, but it is the truth. It's the reason I don't care about running a successful site. The site I run is a glorified discord server, there is no success there except that it still exists.
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>>1209865I appreciate the vote of confidence, I know it's going to take a while to rebuild trust but I'm grateful to see that at least my recent efforts are noticed, if not yet effective. And I feel the need to point out that Moony has granted all of us discretion to issue a permaban without discussing it with the rest of the staff. I normally do anyway, but technically I don't have to. Not that a permanent ban does much to users like Nonny or Pipes.
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>>1209877Oh really, so you can unilaterally permaban folks. That's definitely new (though, I don't exactly HOW new).
Anyways, you've so far shown a lot of interest in making the site a better place, opening up discussions about how moderators can improve in their performance and whatnot, so I think you'd have to be willfully ignorant or blind to say that making you a mod was a mistake.
(LIKE THIS ONE! (had ya goin there for a second :P ) ~ Pinkie Mod) No.1209879
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>>1209878He's just mad because I said he wasn't my friend when one of my actual friends got mad at me for giving him the time of day. Like, I wanna be nice to people and help them if they're in need, but I don't consider someone my friend just because we swapped a few war stories one time.
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>>1209878I definitely prefer the more joke-y bans myself! more fun that way :P
and a site without fellow posters would be a bit boring, so i'm also open to any suggestions you got as well!
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>>1209878>(LIKE THIS ONE! (had ya goin there for a second :P ) ~ Pinkie Mod)>>1209880please, by all means, free me from this hell /j
>>1209879Yeah, he's clearly one of those people who hold ridiculous grudges over imagined slights.
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>>1209880I am definitely not the authority on fun
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>>1209881hey, none of us are! fun can't be authorized, but rather cultivated!
but if you want fun, then sieze it!
do something fun!
>>1209881wish granted!
No.1209889
>>1209841 It's true: PC pearl-clutching by moral busybodies does annoy me to the point that I will make posts to argue against it. Guilty as charged.
The feeling is very mutual. You and yours are the primary reason I have no desire to post here any more. So I guess you have succeeded in that respect.
>start a fight over the fact that someone there on your ponychan posted a link to a thread hereNow maybe you're just completely oblivious to the goings on around you, but there are people here on Ponyville who want/ed to grow Ponyville by siphoning off Ponychan users, and that's regardless of whether you support them doing so or agree with them doing so. This includes not only the people who perpetrated the forced merger (a.k.a. shutdown), but also others from here who only ever show up on Ponychan to tell people to leave there and come here - you know, the place where all the "acceptable" Ponychan folks ended up. It became enough of a problem that Ponychan no longer allows links to here. And even then, you have folks here on Ponyville insisting that Ponychan somehow owes it to them, to let Ponyville siphon users (the fuck!?). And this is, of course, after the forced merger that already sent 90% of Ponychan's user base here. So let's put things into context: the person in question was upset that they weren't allowed to post a link, after others did so repeatedly just to get people to leave Ponychan and come here. And they were also upset that I insisted a thread be started on Ponychan instead of here, because that interfered with the beneficiaries of the forced merger and the goal of moving all activity from Ponychan to Ponyville.
Sorry, not sorry. That policy will stand until there is any level of reciprocity - where at this time there is exactly zero. You have here on Ponyville 1) the people who left Ponychan long ago, 2) the people who came here by default after the shutdown, 3) the people who don't like the vibes and/or the administration of current Ponychan, 4) the people who only care about the level of engagement on their posts, and 5) the people who never got the memo after the shutdown / only ever saw the public announcements - which told them to come here. Contrary to popular belief, not everyone reads pinned posts or checks sites with any regularity. Some may not come back for years at a time. But whatever the cause, it serves those of you who want to even temporarily swell the ranks, to pretend that no incarnation of Ponychan even exists.
This is why whenever someone shows up and laments the loss of Ponychan, not one single person, not a single one, will ever say "oh by the way, there's still a Ponychan." Clearly that's too generous. How about "There's some Ponychan knockoff still up"? Nah, even that's too generous, because even acknowledging the site's existence hurts the would-be user base on Ponyville. "Boat's running some piece of shit site claiming to be Ponychan"? nah, even that would be too generous. Because it's better to say "yeah, golly gee, that sucks, it's just gone forever with no trace left behind" and pretend this is the only option, as Ponychan's previous administration explicitly intended. And of course on the flip side, when you've had individuals from Ponychan who've come here and talked about it, you have the anons, cowards who refuse to use their names of course, taking pot shots, spreading lies, starting rumors, etc. We've seen examples of that even since this very thread went up. And this didn't start three weeks ago. I've been watching this play out, for 2.5 years now.
What you guys decide to do at this point, is of little consequence. Despite whatever the administration here might have said in the past, the actual users of this site clearly don't want to work together in any way, and so be it. If people decide to use Ponychan, they can. Or they can decide not to. The former users who've already written it off are not the people I'm concerned about at this point.
>>1209844 because I just got back home a few hours ago.
No.1209890
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Amazing.
Stupendous.
>>1209889Hey Yacht, have a good one.
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>>1209889mate can you not bring that vindictive attitude here? I don't care who's right or wrong. I just want the drama to stop
No.1209892
>>1209890 thanks; you as well.
>>1209891 this entire thread should have been deleted the moment it went up.
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>>1209892Hope you have been taking care of yourself.
Drink some water if you haven't. It was fun coming back and seeing all this.
Anyway, best wishes.
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>>1209892you are free to leave at any time. if you're going to stay, don't incite drama. last warning
No.1209896
>>1209893 It's nice seeing you as well.
Take care!
>>1209894 This is a thinly veiled, plausible deniability Ponyville recruitment thread, made at the expense of major technical difficulties at Ponychan, by someone who only ever posts on Ponychan to tell people to come here instead. If you didn't want drama, you've all done a shit job of mitigating it.
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>>1209896Ironically, I wouldn't have even known Ponychan still existed in some form if not for this thread.
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>>1209896Has it occurred to you that no one on staff here knew that? I haven't touched Ponychan since you made Nonny a mod, except briefly when you needed a bit of help cleaning it up. As far as I could tell, this was a legitimiate temporary sanctuary while ponychan was down. I expected all of these posters to return as soon as you got it back up. Had you asked, I'd have even helped with the effort in any way I could. I've never had bad blood with you. and we are not starting now.
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>>1209896To be honest, I thought it was kind of the other way around, which was part of why I was prodding it more. Albeit, hard to pull off when you've got some troublemakers creating fuss, but... Still. Figured I'd pull some folk to check it out, maybe.
>>1209897As Boat said, they did work rather hard to make that the case...
Even Equestria Daily made a post acting like it was totally gone.
Big bummer. We did get folk trickling in over the years, but, pretty much everyone there had to've been gathered purely by scratch as it were.
No.1209921
>>12099162 or 3 people who duel post on these sites being referred to as a conspiratorial "syphoning of users" does seem a little over the top to be honest.
Like as if this thread was planned years ago and just waiting for the time to strike.
But they also think toybox had some master plan too when she wouldn't even be able to plan breakfast.
No.1209924
>>1209916It is a mite odd OP's made a total of two posts in the thread to be fair.
Also these two posts
>>1208664 >>1208665 do make it come off strange.
I'm not gonna say I agree, but, I can see it at least.
No.1209926
>>1209924You're very active in this malicious thread, and despite a handful of token bans, you seem to be able to keep posting.
Perhaps you're the man in the inside.. a double agent, as it were.
A... snake.
My god :0
(I AM TIRED OF THESE MF SNAKES IN THIS MF THREAD!!) No.1209927
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>>1209926no snakes here
(just a silly, please disregard)
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>>1209926Foolish fool, I am not merely a man on the inside...
I am THE man. The one behind it all.
This whole thread was my idea all along. You think I was banned? Ha! That was merely one of my ten thousand proxies. Andrea, Scoot, Nonny, why, even Eris are all my agents, dancing to my tune!
This 6-D chess was designed, from the start, all meticulously planned from the very beginning to destroy the reputation of both sites in favor of my own...
Yes, that's right. The site you all have feared for so very long...
No more ponies.
No more griffons
No more kelpies, or yaks, or changeling...
No. Soon all of this, every user, every board, every image and shit post will belong to
DRAGONCHAN No.1209929
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EEK! A snake!
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GET OVER HERE!
No.1209934
>>1209928Do this, but for real and unironically.
The best thing in the world would be a site that wasn't made from a drama fueled mass exit, isnt a corpse being dragged along out of spite, and doesn't have pony or political ideology branding (see i didn't forget you GET lol).
A real fresh start.
Doitdoitdoitdoit
No.1209936
>>1209934I have been tempted, honestly. Maybe one day.
My thoughts're more that I want to do an imageboard instead of the usual 'creator discord' if I ever try at youtube or whathaveyou.
'Cause Discord is shit, and image boards are based.
But that's still years down the line, and I wouldn't really want to do that to Boat as far as predating on old ponybros anyways.
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>>1209928It was just a chan.
Well, more of a dragon chan.
Or maybe it was just a dragon.
No.1209938
>>1209936Boooo
>>1209937Can a website be hosted on a thatched roof cottage?
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>>1209853>Am I... reading this correctly? You're literally admitting to trying your best to make this site worse?Mostly out of petty vengence and years of frustration. Mondo's inaction over what happened in Noelle's pride thread was the straw that broke the camels back. I'm sick of posters who clearly don't care about the intent of the rules and merely placate the mods.
>I was honestly giving you the benefit of the doubt here. I was HOPING this was you trying to make a point of calling out bigotry, thinking it was somehow doing something positive, which would at least justify your actions somewhat.I mean, before the things that happened in the Pride month thread that would've been partly true. But that was never my intent in getting into arguments in the past, I just lost control over shit happening here I specifically left ponychan to get away from, especially when it was happening cause of the mods unwillingness to do anything about it or incompetence to recognize how easy it is to violate rule 1 without also violating rule 3. At this point though I'm just bitter and fed up, the pride thread was the last straw. No one had any justification for trying to turn it into a /townhall/. All I did was express my feelings about the police at an incident at a pride parade I was planning to attend, not trying to make some righteous stand about something like you seem to think I need to be doing to justify just expressing frustration. For that I get a bunch of people ganging up on me to prove it's not fake news.
I don't give a shit if this makes things on this site worse for you, all the people Mondo did nothing about despite my and Noelle's reporting make everything here worse.
>I was pointing out that all it does is disrupt the site because nobody's opinions are going to be changed and there's no real-world threat because this site disallows that sort of rhetoric through enforced civility standards and a politics ban.You know what one of my best memories here on ponyville was?
It was the thread I made after my mom died in the pandemic. I was at one of the lowest points in my life and many of you showed up and help me feel seen and less alone. That's why I stayed here.
And you know what? Maybe I want to make another serious thread like that cause right now a lot of things in my life are pretty precarious and my mental health is really strained. Unfortunately a big part of it has to do with current events and the fact that I got gender-affirming care out here. Is it at all fair that I wouldn't be able to even express my feelings about them without violating the politics ban. Is it at all fair that I would be dragged into a fight over whether or not anything I was talking about happening was fake news or not? The pride thread just reinforces me that with the people who are here I could absolutely expect that would happen and plenty of people would use it as permission to violate the politics ban, and turn it into a /townhall/ thread.
If that happened would I
need to be making some huge moral stand to justify feeling angry and frustrated when the exact people you'd expect to do that would do that?
You may like whatever content they post, but do you not see how from my perspective they are basically holding this site hostage under threats to be uncivil if I express what I want to express?
>CLEARLY this board is not the 2011 Ponychan you wish it was.It was, for years, before old ponychan shutdown.
>Acting the way you do is not going to force it to become that, you're just making a worse experience for literally everyone, not just the people you hate. I've been here 10 years at this point. And the entire reason I hate who I hate is how they make this place worse for me and everyone else, regardless of how you personally feel about them when they're not being disruptive and demonstrating their lack of sincere consideration for the intent of the rules, waiting for any pretense, like they did in the pride thread
>If you dislike the way the site is ran so much... stop using it. I don't want to say "just leave" because you do bring a lot of good things to this site, when you're not purposefully being disruptive. I was here first.
>It really seems to me that you would be much better off just not being here. And the site would too.I was here first.
>Someone who actively works to make the site worse is not someone who should be on the site.Nor should anyone who pretends to care about the intent of the sites rules and treats any
perceived violation of the rules as permission to break rules in turn.
But we're past that point. The pride thread proved that. The mods are unreliable and none of these posters sincerely respect the rules, and I can't talk about what I want to.
So fuck it all. I would much rather drive these people out and send them to ponychan if they'd going to effectively hold this site hostage. And if you don't like that than you can leave with them.
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>>1209941>"Why can't I just say police in the most liberal area of the country are just attacking and beating up trans people indiscriminately without people responding!"The irony is, nobody was saying it was "fake news"... On the contrary, the news seemed to be very accurate; Police came in because of some vandals, arrested those vandals, and that was about it. Vandals that were confirmed by other witnesses, no less, from within the pride parade...
By your own breakdown in
>>1208391 , it's made explicitly clear that they arrested a very small number, and that protesters explicitly attempted to prevent them from even doing that.
This very clearly isn't "indiscriminately beating and arresting trans people". Even if we assume by the way that every single individual at this pride parade was trans, which seems rather unlikely in the first place...
And I know, you want to say "It's just my feelings!"
But you and I both know if I said "The thing about Andrea that pisses me off is her blatant homophobia and racism" you'd call it out, 'feeling' or no.
Though arguably, in this case, it warrants something more than that even, since this is a factual claim of "arresting and beating up trans people seemingly indiscriminately", but, I digress, you get the point.
It's a patently absurd statement, to begin with. Obviously it'll get people responding. This shouldn't be a surprise to you.
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>>1209941Your frustration doesn't justify your actions.
Other people breaking the rules does not justify you also breaking the rules. This goes for them as well, but you have no reason to fall into the same pitfall.
You say that they are "holding the site hostage" when you're literally doing the exact same thing. If people don't act the way you want them to act, you will start to break the rules and make the site worse for everyone involved. It doesn't matter if they do the same thing, there's no reason for you to become a rulebreaker as well.
It doesn't matter if you were here first. This site is for everyone, not just the people you like.
It doesn't matter if you were here first. I was on Twitter before Elon Musk bought it. I was on Ponychan before it fell into endless drama. I left those sites because they stopped being places that brought me joy to be a part of. You have no right to be disruptive and treat this site like your own personal battleground just because you were here first. If you don't like the way a site is being run and you don't like the people there, you have no right to break rules and start fights just because you were there first and you think the people that came later shouldn't be. Not to mention, you're just Sunk Costing yourself with this. I don't think it's healthy for you to stick around if you're already going through a bunch of shit in your real life.
You talk a lot about sincerely respecting the rules, yet you're openly admitting to not respecting them either. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Unironically, your statements made here in these last couple of posts should get you permanently banned from the site. Openly admitting to trying to get people to leave because you don't like them and openly admitting that you're willing to break the rules if they do. It's just absolutely wild.
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These sites are designed to make people stay on them.
Even under immense suffering will people stay.
No.1209959
>>1209958Of the at one time, conservatively hundreds of daily users that use to populate ponychan, theres like 12 left split between 2 sites.
I think you might be wrong.
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>>1209959There's 12 left, I think that proves it true, actually.
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>>1209959Then it failed save for a select few.
Place is like the perfect torture chamber.
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>>1209967Nah. I think there is something off with us who stick around.
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>>1209965
One example of a rule breaking post.
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>>1209965
Jokes on you, I bathe in that stuff.
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>>1209969it's like he thinks we can't see IPs or something.
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>>1209488i kind of keep forgetting that these places even exist
uhh.. just seems like there seems to be some things happening here
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>>1209978
i can always come back to visit you know
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>>1209980
right, right
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>>1209982
just remember that florida is a stand-your-ground state
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>PLEASE NONNY STOP!
Either you agree to us being civil or I will NEVER stop raiding this place while drink, and you can never stop me. I am spiteful enough to make this place a living hell.
Agree, and I will play nice out of my own sense of honor. Hic..
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>>1209987I have tried letting you be civil. I let tony soprano go as long as he wasn't being a dick. I let Frieren Anon go. and I let this last one go. right up until you started causing trouble. again. like you always do. you never wanted peace. you wanted impunity. and I'm sorry, but I can't do that. it's your own responsibility to be civil. if you can't do that, then I have rules I have to enforce. that's how this works.
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usually it's me that causes trouble on these sties
or pipes
well it used to be years ago but i can't be bothered to do that shit anymore
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>>1209989No. You haven't.
You've chosen your path.
Then the time for talk is over.
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>>1209897 true.
>>1209898 I was pretty that sure none of you knew. I look forward to working together to get to the bottom of the troll issues we talked about.
>>1209915 ah, the famous "No True Ponychan" argument... yes, I'm sure Ponychan hasn't existed since the time of Orange or whatever. which I was also around for, mind you.
Also, funny, but I could say the same thing about Ponyville... "Ponyville died a long. LONG time ago and the dead horse you're beating here doesn't change that."
>>1209916 The admins forcing a merger under false pretenses isn't a conspiracy theory - just a literal conspiracy, confirmed explicitly by one of the parties directly involved.
The poaching from Ponychan also isn't a conspiracy theory, as there is no conspiracy. It's just an emergent behavior driven by the actions of select users of Ponyville, without coordination between users here, that others benefit from whether they know it, acknowledge it, or not.
>>1209921 The absentee admin had little to do with it, other than rubber-stamping the shutdown after the fact and then arguing in favor of something she didn't even comprehend.
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clearly there are too many users right now incapable of posting in this thread without arguing. thread locked for now. may re-open later.
