/pony/ - Pony

An alternative idea would be to select basically any dedicated poster left, and make them a janitor, giving them control over bans and deletes.

We would start with common thread OPs, and give them executive control over enforcement of rules in their thread.

what do we think of this idea?

>>1190966

>May i turn on accounts, that require passwords, and vetting?

As much as I dislike passwords and such, they may have become a necessity nowadays..., but what about....

*takes a look around*

Eh, sure. It probably wouldn't hurt to try it out and see how it goes for a little while, at least. please no two-factor authentication, though! >.<

>>1190968
This is better.

>>1190968
I think that sounds reasonable.

>>1190968
Will we end up banning each other? I’ve seen how Reddit mods like to abuse their power and I’m worried :c

>>1190971
>>1190972
that is two pretty important votes already... i don't think it could hurt either.

more decentralization and more power for trusted users was always the intention too... so it could be good.

>>1190993
But who can be trusted in this day and age?!

>>1190993
>>1190996
we pair the candidates off, and they fight to the death. whoever is left will have proven their loyalty!

>>1190993
having a few more folk with the ability to deal with crap at any given time would be a good idea imo; also it may be good to have people that have traditionally staggered time zones be able to cover other peoples blind spots

>>1190966
>May i turn on accounts, that require passwords, and vetting?
Seems reasonable.  Right now, it is very easy to evade the ban system.

>>1190968
>An alternative idea would be to select basically any dedicated poster left, and make them a janitor, giving them control over bans and deletes.
That sounds dangerous, especially if deletes are hard deletes that don't allow auditing.

Personally, I don't notice much overtly trolling on / pony/ as this site is mostly visited by a smaller group of dedicated posters anyway.

Wezll, there's probably 1 or 2 specific posters who swing from being mildly constructive to being extremely disruptive when they get bored, who either get the leniency from the mods or just evade every ban to come back as if nothing happened.

Unless we're talking /townhall/, but there I feel like mods are walking on eggshells to avoid being called out for being politically biased.

Anyways, not a big deal to me for having to make an account and logging in.
I do think it will probably be an exercise in what you want to do with people being disruptive. Like with a slow site and a reputation of being friendly to people, would you risk it by locking down?

I'm all for the account system, if it's necessary to make this place safer.

>>1190966
Whatever you feel the need to do, I can run with.  Passwords create a barrier to new users, but lol, like those exist.  I haven’t noticed much problem on /pony/, but I don’t get out of my thread much.  If passwords will make your life easier, go for it.

I would still stop by.

...maybe still relevant -- was back when Steve Pavlina ran forums, which he later closed down....

https://stevepavlina.com/blog/2009/09/free-speech-in-online-communities-the-delusion-of-entitlement/

https://stevepavlina.com/blog/2011/12/why-i-shut-down-the-forums/

Don't let the last schizos from the Klan- Sorry, Ponychan get you down. They're just a bunch of silly tricksters who go too far and are just a tad too autistic. Like, they just can't control their power levels.

Unlike me. I'm just insane but aware of it. Seriously though, you own the site. Its your choice I feel

I, too, had to make my website require vetting for new users. Granted it was because of too many spambots, but still. We also made it 16+. Dunno if that's necessary here. Anyways, point is, I'm alll for it. Just make it so we can change screen names at will for us RPers (if we ever get around to RPing again) and it'll all be gucci. No uprising.

>>1190968
>inb4 they do this for free

jokes aside, probably a good idea. but who to pick?

You could use a combination approach that may be less intrusive than forcing logins.  First, make a tripcode whitelist as a first pass, which will work for anyone who already uses a tripcode or is willing to adopt one.  Second pass, an IP whitelist for anyone with a static IP or with a limited number of IPs, who is willing to submit their IPs for such a list.  Third pass, one of two options: either a login and password if you want, or a separate invisible passcode that serves the same function as the tripcode, except doesn't show in the name.  The second option could replace all three parts of the combination if you want, but that would be more intrusive for users who would be otherwise whitelisted.

I don't particularly like the idea in general but that's what I'd do.

At this point, after years of that crap, I'd be perfectly okay with an account system. I don't care if its a barrier to new people, we aren't going to attract new pony fans cause the glory days of pony fandom is long dead and for the most part this site still exist mostly for the sake of an obscure community of old friends originally from another obscure community making the identity and origin of the trolls obvious. So fuck it all, they've proven time and again how willing they are to abuse your good faith and it's been pretty fucking obvious since ponyville separated from them that they're motivated by really petty grievances and wounded egos. Just cut them off for good at this point if they're so god damn determined to chase us down and turn our community into the same nazi garden they turned ponychan into.

>>1190966
I don't have anything profound to say, really. It seems standard to require logins and certain rules regarding account status monitoring on many websites these days. So, it all appears reasonable.

>>1190966
>>1190968
It isn't much of a solution, rather an observation.

I've seen the way people's behavior have changed throughout the years. From heels turned face and face turned heel.
One of the biggest issues on most of these ponyboards is ego; pride and a lack of empathy because that is the nature of text for most people. It's been shown that both the internet can both bring out the worst in people, as well as twist your perception into thinking those around you have the most mqlicious intentions with their words. (Funnily enough Key and Peele did a skit on this concept with text messages.)

Grudges grow upon grudges with no burial of hatchets in sight. I've seen it with myself. Perfectly innocent posts removed. It's a vicious cycle. People will never live in true drum circling harmony, but a lot of it is avoidable.

It's also a delicate balance between a sense of free-speech, (sometimes mean spirited) comedy, and conflicting opinions that people are emotionally charged on. And you can never truly please everyone at every given moment.

The issues I've noticed are when people swing too far into extremes of insensitivity and extreme sensitivity.

My best advice would to be to think about your desires and compromise with being more realistic.
>i dreamt that it would be a place of peace, and harmony... to correct the mistakes of Ponychan such that one day, all of the friends would come back.
Sometimes hashing things out is the best way for that to happen; to let people figure it out on their own. (Though sometimes a ref is needed.)

From what I've seen, the issue boils down to people and sometimes, people  don't want peace; pettiness and vindictive behavior is more satisfying in the heat of the moment. I know that feeling well. Sometimes it is much more satisfying and easy to indulge rather than forgive, because forgiveness and healthy relationships require work, where as demonizing those you dislike (especially on the internet) is easy; where as friendship and forgiveness can be hard. But, the relationships and friend I've made have shown me that it is also worth the work.

Anyway, more janitors could be useful. Power to the ponies. If you need an extra pair of hands, I wouldn't mind helping out.

>>1191221
By the way if this post gets deleted, that wasn't me. I sent you a DM on discord.