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>>16075

...haven't been following the news and only watched first 2 minutes of the video, but in case it wasn't clear by now, Trump is The Great and Powerful Trixie. Also, you can't go to war without the approval of Congress.

>>16075
Do you have a point to make? not watching someone else's AI-generated video to try to guess what you yourself don't have the words to convey.

>>16086

...was asking ChatGPT about the situation in Iran, and it turned out that the U.S. started it by pretending to be friends with them (just to get their influence and resources) and then secretly overthrowing their government back in the 1950s. When Trump was elected, he cancelled the agreement the U.S. had with them, causing Iran mistrust of the U.S. to increase and their moderate party to decline in popularity. Iran retaliated by enriching much more uranium.

Biden tried to fix relations, but was unable to do so, perhaps in part because of the mistrust Trump had previously sewn.

Now Trump is still mad about his first deal falling through and so decided to go batshit crazy on them and drain them of their precious cider-making squishies.

...not sure where Israel comes in, though.

>>16091
You seem to have forgotten that whole ordeal back in 2008 and again in 2012, where invasion of Iran as part of the "Axis of Evil" was very much on the table and being pushed for by mainstream politicians on both sides.
This stuff didn't spring up out of the blue due to Trump. The nuclear deal has practically nothing to do with Iran's belligerent attitude toward Israel, which is the entire basis of the current situation. Say what you will about the US's support of Israel, but the notion that this is 100% Trump in isolation is unbelievably stupid at best.

>>16092
Yes, I believe that's what Ron Paul was against -- and rightly so, as 1) there was no reason to attack and 2) you can't go to war without authorization by congress, which every president since WWII seems to always conveniently forget.

As far as helping Israel goes, the u.s.'s role should be de-escalating conflict and staying out of foreign wars, not picking sides and joining in.

>>16095
I agree. And we all know that war and "war" are basically the same thing and is a moot point.
Unfortunately Israel is an ally of the US. That means the US has obligations whether the people want it or not. Unlike for example Ukraine, which many people in the US wanted us to get directly involved in despite not being anything remotely close to allies. And while de-escalation would be ideal, getting dragged in is a very real and justifiable possibility, whether people want it or not. And that aspect is completely independent of Trump.

>>16075
No, World War Three as such has been going on for multiple years now, especially after the attempts at genocide in terms of wiping out the Israeli people as well as the attempts at genocide in terms of wiping out the Ukrainian people.

And there are the threatened calls for future genocides against the people of South Korea as well as the people of Taiwan, both of which have to get prevented from even being attempted in the first place.

Fighting back is completely morally correct. The Chinese government alongside the Iranian, North Korean, and Russian regimes can't be allowed to just gleefully slaughter innocents and try to impose a new 'iron curtain' of authoritarianism across Asia and Europe.