/townhall/ - Townhall

Nothing'll happen. Nothing ever happens when these things occur. Deploying guard units doesn't mean actual guns get used. It's just more bodies at best, and usually barely even that.

>>15625
>"Nothing... doesn't mean that actual guns get used..."
The statistically most likely outcome is that guns don't get used. Yes. Agreed.

>>15629
It's fascinating how Donald Trump in reality is doing exactly what... well... George Bush Sr., Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, Barack Obama, and Joe Biden all got falsely accused of doing... by idiots with conspiracy theories: using military power to try and exterminate political opposition. Biden was too honorable for this. So was Bush Jr. So was Clinton. So was Bush Sr. So was Obama. They all loved the Constitution too much.

It's like going through your entire life thinking that zombies can't really exist, and then you open the front door one day to this gigantic creature with glowing green flesh wiggling around while foaming at the mouth in your lawn.

Like... yeah... Jesus Christ... libertarians and anarchists... 'small government' conservatives... people who claim to be all about 'freedom' and 'liberty'... where are you? This is the closest America has come in around a hundred years since martial law and regular people being shot by stormtroopers in the streets.

Why the silence?

>>15630

>Like... yeah... Jesus Christ... libertarians and anarchists... 'small government' conservatives... people who claim to be all about 'freedom' and 'liberty'... where are you? This is the closest America has come in around a hundred years since martial law and regular people being shot by stormtroopers in the streets.

>Why the silence?

Cause they were never sincere. It's not about anyone's freedoms and liberties but theirs.

>>15629
Even if they weren't the single most cucked gun rights group on the planet, why on earth would they?
Deporting people here illegally is not a bad thing.

>>15630
>Why the silence?
Because I don't really give a rats ass if riots are quelled through force?
Would've thought it obvious.

Small government doesn't mean the state should do nothing while people burn down cities.
Nor does it mean a lack of boarders where you don't deport folk here illegally.

>>15631
Please, by all means explain to me how rioting is a 'freedom' people ought have.
I don't know about you, but I never regarded burning people's property to the ground a 'liberty'.

>>15632
>Deporting people here illegally is not a bad thing.

Stripping them of due process is a bad thing, as is concentrating them in detention centers that lack basic facilities and necessities, treating them like wild animals with rabies. Illegal immigration isn't even a violent crime, much less a dangerous one, it's not even a moral infraction! It's just people coming here and not going through the proper bureaucracy. None of which is so bad that it justifies how ICE is handling deportations.

Besides, if the main argument against them is that they take Americans jobs, then threatening this kind of terror on the migrants only serves those who employ them, because what makes them so attractive to hire is the threat of deportation can force them to settle for what is basically slave wages.

>Please, by all means explain to me how rioting is a 'freedom' people ought have.
>I don't know about you, but I never regarded burning people's property to the ground a 'liberty'.

Nice fucking dodge you dishonest asshole. ICE is committing tyranny. There methods are tyrannical (which includes arresting people in the processing of working towards naturalization by arresting them at their appointments with the immigration office).

There is no rioting, there is a protest where a few cars were burned, most of which were self-driving waymo cars, as a means of obstructing ICE, no one has injured or killed anyone. Trump is just spinning it that way to justify excessive force. But of course, to cowardly authoritarians there is no such thing as excessive force.

>>15635
The "due process" should be as simple as determining if there is documentation of them entering the country legally, and if not, deporting them.
That isn't something that requires much fuss.
It's not like we're talking imprisonment. They just have to go home.
>as is concentrating them in detention centers that lack basic facilities and necessities, treating them like wild animals with rabies. I
Funny how this is only ever a problem when it's Trump in charge...
Obama and Biden I guess both get a pass.
>Illegal immigration isn't even a violent crime, much less a dangerous one, it's not even a moral infraction!
To you it's not.
To me, it absolutely is.

Regardless, many crimes are not violent ones.
Hell, sending someone home isn't a violent response, anyways.
>None of which is so bad that it justifies how ICE is handling deportations.
As you see it.
I've no issue with how they're handling it.
Seems they are simply doing their job.

>then threatening this kind of terror on the migrants only serves those who employ them, because what makes them so attractive to hire is the threat of deportation can force them to settle for what is basically slave wages.
I agree; We should be arresting those who employ them, too. They should face exceptionally harsh prison sentences, and their businesses should suffer harsh fines.

>ICE is committing tyranny.
So you claim.
I disagree.
>which includes arresting people in the processing of working towards naturalization
If you've entered this country illegaly, that should preclude you from "working towards" naturalization.
You shouldn't have that option 'til you've returned to your home country. And frankly, I am of the stance it ought be a permanent black mark, that likely precludes you even then.

>There is no rioting
lmao
>, there is a protest where a few cars were burned,
>a few cars were burned
>multiple cars
Yeah. That's called a riot.
Nice try. And you call me dishonest.
>as a means of obstructing ICE
Physical obstruction isn't a protest, either.
But good try.
>. But of course, to cowardly authoritarians there is no such thing as excessive force.
I've yet to see 'excessive force'.
Seems the riot is getting put down with kids gloves, as usual.
Maybe when they start getting gunned down with rifles in the street, China style, I'll change my tune. But I've yet to see anything like that occur.

FAFO
"Not a riot" by the way lmao

https://x.com/saras76/status/1932426896177819664

>>15636
>'We should be arresting those who employ them, too. They should face exceptionally harsh prison sentences, and their businesses should suffer harsh fines.'

So, you want Donald Trump's own family members arrested?

What about other Republicans who love, love, LOVE using illegal aliens and legal-ish immigrants working in unethical circumstances in their businesses?

Or do they get a pass that let's them be hypocrites forever just because you're a Republican voter and, as the famous saying goes, "we always look after each other"? So, Republican leaders can just do what they want? Like always? No matter what?

I would have even the slightest respect for you guys if you had even the most basic intellectual honesty, really. Like if you guys thought that rich men doing their girlfriends and getting them pregnant should be forbidden from coercing them into getting abortions, or that gigantic American corporations should be kept from using immigrants as slave labor, or that rich people as a whole who want to use all of the recreational drugs they desire to their hearts content ought to get the hammer from cops the same as homeless guys selling baggies of junk to survive. I would at least understand you guys if you were like this, somewhat.

I'll actually go so far as to say that if conservatives stood up on behalf of women impregnated by soulless rich men demanding that they get abortions alongside downtrodden workers sick of companies hiring illegal aliens to kill labor unions... like without irony I'd view you guys as honorable and reasonable even if I didn't agree with the details. Same thing with other things to do with law enforcement and criminal justice. Like if you guys started to oppose police officers killing innocent dogs so often that 'puppycide' is a literal meme these days. That would be a nice thing for people to unite about.

>>15638
>So, you want Donald Trump's own family members arrested?
If they've knowingly employed illegals, absolutely.

>What about other Republicans who love, love, LOVE using illegal aliens and legal-ish immigrants working in unethical circumstances in their businesses?
If they've knowingly employed illegals, absolutely.

Unlike you, I am not a tribalist.
I actually hold to principle.
As such it's easy to say for me "People who do bad thing should be punished regardless of who they are".

>"we always look after each other"?
I've literally never heard such a statement, at all, in my entire life, in the Republican party.
On the contrary, my experience has been the direct opposite.
That republicans are pretty quick to hold other republicans to the fire.
It's probably why it was so easy for democrats to infest so many positions of power throughout the years.

> Like if you guys thought that rich men doing their girlfriends and getting them pregnant should be forbidden from coercing them into getting abortions,
I'm rather opposed to abortions generally.
Why would you think I'm in favor of coercion to that result?

> or that gigantic American corporations should be kept from using immigrants as slave labor
They absolutely should, and anyone responsible for such a thing should be held to the fullest extent of the law.

>or that rich people as a whole who want to use all of the recreational drugs they desire to their hearts content
I am rather opposed to the war on drugs.

>Like without irony I'd view you guys as honorable and reasonable
No you wouldn't.
You've repeated the same conduct for literal years on this site.
Folk've explicitly told you "I agree with that" and your response was still to call them the worst things imaginable.
insist that they're evil monsters who want you dead.

You're lying through your teeth when you pretend we'd ever somehow find an accord. You hate me. No matter what I might say. It doesn't matter, because I belong to the wrong 'tribe'.

>>15643
It still astounds me that MAGA is a tribalist movement based on violence coupled with identity politics expressed through hatred, and everything that you say, do, and believe is based on that, and yet you've utterly deluded yourself that other people are you and that you're them.

It's like literally every single word you describe about yourself is stolen from others. And like literally every world that you describe about others applies to yourself.

To be honest, it's difficult to understand how you can have thus level of no connection to reality.

You hate me. I don't hate you.

You're a tribalist. I have higher ethical principles.

You want violence. I don't.

You believe that everything is identity politics. I don't.

I'm not even sure what to begin to say to you, like if we encountered each other in person you'd be able to rob me, try to molest me, or whatever, yet somehow you'd at the same time be expressing the claim "I'm doing this in preemptive self-defence", and you'd feel justified morally in doing that if I somehow crossed your mental tripwire of "they're a leftist" or whatever

There's no bogeyman of evil Jews, evil homosexuals, evil Blacks, or anybody else out there conspiring to get you, my guy

Let go of your violent hate and your tribalism

Most people are just people and just want to survive

There's nothing in the DNA of somebody from birth that makes them inherently wired to do something bad just because they're Jewish or transgender or whatever else, and it would be equally bad to think that about somebody who's straight and white or whatever the hell else

People are just people

How the hell can you go through your life seething like this all the time

Even the inherent idea of "the left" being this gigantic monolith of collective minorities all banding together to destroy America, that's like this big gaseous cloud like the glowing fog coming out from outer space from certain science-fiction movies, like I'm struggling to even understand the concept abstractly

I don't understand even how from just seeing somebody in person you could immediately label them "one of those leftists" and therefore see them as not human and thus needing destruction, like what in their hairstyle or skin color or accent or whatever makes them clock as "less than human" so easily with you not being able to make mistakes

Even the protagonists trying to fish out fake humans in the 'Blade Runner' movies made mistakes

I'm really at a loss, I guess *shrugs*

>>15645
Again, not an iota applies to me, but you still run your moronic mouth.

You can't do a thing but make up shit.
Frankly, you've gotten worse.

Hopefully someone intervenes before you inevitably hurt someone. Or at least takes away your internet privileges so you stop being an issue to those of us out here with basic sanity.
Would be nice to speak on things without someone going on deluded fantasies again.

>>15652
Seriously, God, I hope you keep getting prevented from trying to hurt and kill people so badly.

>>15635
I think we need more ICE rather than less.

>concentrating them in detention centers that lack basic facilities and necessities, treating them like wild animals with rabies.

FAFO

>>15636
>It's not like we're talking imprisonment. They just have to go home.

Bro, I agree with you on a lot of the stuff you're saying, but that's just wrong.

Have you ever seen the ICE facilities?  That shit is straight up imprisonment.

>>15678
Only until release. Which frankly could be sped up a whole lot if there weren't such a massive pile of beurocratic headache to do first, including numerous political judges eager to block deportations...

Either way, I hardly consider the temporary stay until we can give them the boot the equivalent to being sentenced eight years in federal penetratiary

Ship all the agitators to Mexico. Let MS-13 sort them out.

Everyone thinks they're tolerant, until the Nazis show up. Belligerend difficult to deal with.

Trump would actually make a good War lord, I think.
How long do you think we'll be before the Russians show up with fighter jets, on U.S >>15823
soil?

Also, I love MS-13
>>15823
So is that why I ended up in mexico?

I know very little about what's going on. I have heard that Marines are being deployed to potentially help detain possible American citizens, and as a Marine veteran this makes me angry.

I swore the same oath they did. To defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. And to obey the orders of the president in accordance with the ucmj.

The order of those directives is intentional, as is the qualifier for the second one. UCMJ Article 92 covers our duty to obey lawful orders, and our duty to disobey orders which are unlawful, unethical, or which may violate the constitution or a citizen's rights.

Those Marines being deployed need to be reminded of their duty to disobey, so that they may arm themselves legally when, not if, they are ordered to do something unconstitutional.