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>tariffs are bad
also
>the US shouldn't alter its trade deals because mah globalism
>mah globalism involves horrendously unfair tariffs against the US
said by people who live in countries that get rich at the expense of Americans

>>15268

Jesus fuck are you dishonest or gullible or both.

No one making the argument against tariffs are saying all tariffs are bad, but that implementing unspecified tariffs without a grace period for preperation will be disastrous. "Tariffs are bad" is a pathetic strawman

You can't expect putting those broad sweeping tariffs in place to make new factories pop-up overnight. And you can't expect tariffs to magically make resources and materials used in those factories that aren't available in the US and have to be imported magically appear here either.

For the former, you're going to have to coordinate for those factories to be built before tariffs go into effect, for the later there shouldn't be tariffs at all, some supply chains are inevitably going to involve importing materials and resources.

Plus, tariffs can inflate the price of locally produced goods as well. You put a tariff on goods imported from another country and raise prices on them and local producers can now freely raise their prices to only slightly undercut imported goods, further contributing to inflation.

And then of course there's retaliatory tariffs other countries would impose, undercutting the ability for locally produced goods to be competitive in foreign markets and negating the benefits of having more local manufacturing

>>15270
Your entire video presentation was one gigantic strawman and wildly biased. How do you expect one to respond to it? Try making a point yourself instead of relying on AI-generated sophists to speak for you.

What you say is mostly great in theory, but the US in a country with a revolving door government installed by a fickle electorate with the collective memory of a goldfish manipulated by an emotion based media divorced from reality. There is no time for a years-long grace period, or even a months-long grace period, since in the time it takes for the grace period to elapse, the policy will have been overturned. Ripping off the Band-aid is the only way to ensure the policy actually goes into effect.

And I for one think it's a very good long-term policy. I am unconcerned about short-term losses.

>>15271
> And I for one think it's a very good long-term policy. I am unconcerned about short-term losses.
Hey, if that means that Trump will take full ownership of the fall out and not blame Canada / Europe / Biden / Obama that would be reason-
He's already blaming everyone else for the fall out, is he?

>>15271
>>15271
>What you say is mostly great in theory, but the US in a country with a revolving door government installed by a fickle electorate with the collective memory of a goldfish manipulated by an emotion based media divorced from reality. There is no time for a years-long grace period, or even a months-long grace period, since in the time it takes for the grace period to elapse, the policy will have been overturned.

Yes, all of that is just more reasons why primarily or solely using tariffs is a stupid and unrealistic solution to reestablish American manufacturing at this point. Americans won't 'Buy American' if there isn't anything American to buy, they'll just get poorer and suffer more than they already are as they pay the tariffs as they wait for those factories to be built, and many might not make it that long considering just how many Americans are already barely making enough to have any savings and surviving paycheck to paycheck.

Also, your argument for doing this haphazardly and quicklu because our politicians may not be able to complete that grace period before leaving office completely ignores all the times policies that needed time to implement longer than elected term limits have been successfully implemented in the past. A well thought out policy is something that people would elect future politicians to continue.

>And I for one think it's a very good long-term policy. I am unconcerned about short-term losses.

But those losses won't be short-term. Tariffs this broad and sweeping have only been done twice in the US's past, once in 1828 and again in 1930. The Tariff of abomination in 1828 deeply hurt the south, dependent on importing goods and materials from the british, setting off a series of events that would contribute to tensions that would culminate into civil war with the election of Lincoln 30 years later. And of course, the Tariffs Hoover passed in 1930 and all the retaliatory Tariffs implemented by other countries helped turn an economics recession into global economic depression that set the stage for world war 2.

We're fucking cooked. There are ways of using tariffs effectively but this ain't it.