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As has been said thousands of times online, though, there are plenty of Americans who enjoy spamming their fellow citizens about how great the Chinese, Iranian, North Korean, and Russian dictatorships are and how a republic as a system of government is "too weak" by comparison or whatever.

I'm feeling burned to a crisp about such things and am kind of resigned to the fact that 1/2 to 1/6 or so of Americans are so triggered by modern things like legalized gay marriage and weed smoking that they wish they were born in Moscow instead of Kansas City or whatever.

I'm also going to add that since standard conservative ideas in America are already so hardline... like that there's an evil Jewish-homosexual conspiracy to destroy civilization by making children too tolerant and not encouraging them to bully each other enough so therefore gay people should be all fired from their jobs while books about Jews get banned from libaries and so on... like the right-wing in America already want totalitarianism and fight for it nakedly whether or not their ideological clones in Russia or wherever help them or not.

Does it make a difference really if the Trumpists set up "the final solution to the transgender problem" and the like versus if somebody else does it? Fascism is fascism. No matter the inspiration.

>>14437
I honestly could not give less of a shit, considering we've got the BBC, literal state-controlled media, doing the same and nobody seems to care, leaving out the host of times America has pressured other foreign elections.

>>14583
>I honestly could not give less of a shit, considering we've got the BBC, literal state-controlled media,

Yeah, the BBC is up front about it. The YouTubers aren't, or don't even know they're working in Putin's interest or just don't care cause they are insincere grifters ... and I have suspicions that some here get there information from some of those YouTubers, and they should critically reexamine what these people say.

>>14584
>the BBC is up front about it
They most certainly are not.
If anything, they'll balk with the greatest of offense when you rightfully call them out for being state media.

Most YouTubers aren't gonna be looking too deep where their money's coming from. Taking short deals for shoddy products is pretty common. The Russian tactic seems to mostly be putting feelers wherever they can anyhow, with plenty on either side, last I saw. Which, of course, is how the US does it too.

>>14585

Kinda missing the point. I'm pretty sure a number of people here get their news and information from those YouTubers. If the Russian state decides they're interested in expanding these influencers reach for purposes of political propoganda while waging war on one of their US-allied neighbors, that should give one reason to doubt the veracity, accuracy and honesty of those YouTubers

>>14583
Whitewashing the evil Chinese, Iranian, North Korean, and Russian dictatorships is an immoral, terrible thing whether done by the BBC in the U.K., DW in Germany, or PBS in the U.S., in my opinion. As well as by random idiots across the planet on YouTube.

If the average voter in America really sat down and thought about something like, say, the child murders undertaken by the Iranian regime's state security forces and had to look at a bunch of photos of those graves, then they'd probably be seething with rage when establishment politicians bring up U.S.-x-Iranian diplomatic collaboration.

Irrelevant.  The licensing deals made by the "Russians" have nothing to do with the content being generated.  If you make a video, and a "Russian" pays for it after the fact, that doesn't retroactively make the video Russian disinformation.  idiot.

>>14612
Suppose an Iranian company took random internet commentators from America, Canada, and Mexico and got them in contact with the government of Iran such that what those random guys would've said organically about the Holocaust supposedly not happening, the Iranian economy supposedly booming, and terrorist attacks killing Jews across the Middle East supposedly being morally justified... all suddenly became boosted by a huge amount of effort and gained a lot of steam throughout social media.

Would that be "Iranian disinformation" and "Iranian propaganda"? Retroactively?

I can honestly see both sides a bit. On the one hand, people in the West organically think such things. On the other hand, an evil dictatorship bent on killing lots of people is actively using huge amounts of money to push specific political claims that those Western citizens parrot. I'm inclined to take the latter position.

>>14586
Considering the level of propaganda regurgitated by the mainstream western media, I'm not so convinced.
Though then again, what you're saying here applies to them tenfold anyways.

It seems to me the Russians would benefit from truth at this stage, that simply runs counter to the current establishment propaganda we've got.