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>>14073
I suppose that'd be down to Christian values. I guess I'd agree that Christian values as a whole're better than most the others. Though obviously, that's because I live in a country built on such values.

I don't really have a major opinion of such people one way or the other.
I figure most actually religious people would assume theirs is best.

>>14073
I'll answer my central question to be helpful.

>What is the argument that one can make for how Christians are superior to all other religious groups, and do you personally find it to be true?
Christian social teaching in the context of Christian humanism and Christians who've worked doing scientific study can clearly be said to have progressed humanity with technology advancing, great achievements in artistry coming about, wonderful buildings being built, and so on. However, I don't think it can be blankly said that Christian values historically have been better than all other values. It depends. We must be more specific.

Both Christian and Jewish scientists have done a lot of good. What if we bring in Satanists? Muslims? Sikhs? Maybe a larger gap exists in historical acts of progress.

I would conclude that it's flatly wrong to day, without qualifications, that Christian beliefs have been more productive than every single other tradition. It is, though, true that Christians have alongside Jews and many others done a lot of good. Malice to those who aren't Christian is absolutely wrong. In contrast, praising multiple Christians may well make sense.

>Trump has said and done stuff.
Trump is just a blowhard goofball who obviously doesn't understand religion the way that, say, the Pope or a professor at MIT does. He's a politician. Politicians are what they are.

As I remember, Christ was a pretty nice guy.
But his fanbase is incredibly toxic.

Under the correct interpretation all religions can be chill. I don't think Christianity is an outlier in that.
In the end, it is more about your own behaviour and it's problematic to really tie religion into that.

>>14074
A reasonable take.

>>14075
Well, it was Christianity that picked us up from our progress in Rome and threw us back in the dark ages.
While Christian preachers were out there strangling anyone with some sense for innovation for consorting with the devil, Islam was building the center of scientific progress in the world.
And while the East was far enough and kept pretty much to themselves, they were making great strides as well.

It wasn't until Europe decided that religion shouldn't be an active part in all aspects of society that we started to make progress.

And now, once more, people are celebrating putting Christianity back at the helm of the nation and hoping all those fancy heathen theories and technologies are placed back on the shitlist.

>>14078
Not really true. Cultural and scientific progress among quite a lot of other advancements kept on chugging along in the Byzantine Empire in Constantinople and other major locations even though the western lands fell to barbarian tribes. And it must be highlighted that the fall was primarily caused by economic and financial factors, particularly horrible monetary policy involving runaway currency debasement and naked government corruption.

If you're talking modern American politics, then Trump is an evil clown like the Joker to which I'd call him uniquely bad among modern politicians. Even though they generally suck. Not so much a religious thing as a stupidity and malice thing.

I agree with your points about Chinese and Japanese advancement given their own local faiths. And Islam had its own sets of "golden ages". Which matter a lot.

It's a ridiculously arrogant argument.

Every religion is going to claim to be the superior religion with superior values ... because the religion itself defines what 'superior' looks like, designing the very tools used to measure. It's like they all exist in logic circles.

>>14076
Good points.

>ignores actual point of thread

oh my god he's going to rapture them all

>What is the argument that one can make for how Christians are superior to all other religious groups, and do you personally find it to be true?
Everyone thinks their religion is better than the others, that's why they believe in it.

>What's your opinion on those individuals who believe that their religion makes them superior to others, more broadly?
It's okay to hold whatever opinions and beliefs you want as long as they don't translate into something that hurts other people.

>>14086
Seems like a valid take.