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Is it true that woke propaganda is being pushed in public education? And if so, what should be done about it? I would say that the morals taught in public school should be those that are widely supported by ordinary Americans. Public schools shouldn't really endorse one side of a politically contentious issue.
I remember a decade or two ago, it was far-right Christian fundamentalists who were trying to prevent the teaching of science of human evolution in public schools. Nowadays, i guess it's the woke far left.
Like, when I think about woke "propaganda", I feel like it's about stuff like being cool with minorities.
And should we teach our kids to segregate and hate?
Other than that, I can't imagine anything woke being pushed onto the kids.
That depends on what you mean by woke.
Those attacking "woke" teaching claim (with small amounts of evidence due to some idiot extremists) that, children under 10 are being taught about sexual topics including incest, oral sex, anal sex, and so on, that teachers are strongly implying or outright stating that white people are inherently evil and should apologize for being white, that history classes are claiming that the US was founded with the goal of enslaving other peoples is is structurally designed to accomplish that, and so on and so fourth.
Those defending "woke" teaching claim that all of those claims are made up, and that what's really being taught instead is respect for other races, tolerance of different sexualities, and so on.
One big issue is that there are indeed extremist teachers out there, and when they're discovered, they tend to get a lot of circulation in right wing news outlets. There have also been school boards that work to protect those teachers and try to keep parents out of school board meetings by telling the FBI that those parents are terrorists (there was even a clearly unnecessary arrest made at one meeting a couple years ago).
So it does create the perception that this kind of thing is happening everywhere, and with government approval, even if it's really just a small handful teachers going that far.
This country is HUGE, but people feel like it's small, so even a single isolated event feels like the end of the world to many people.
It's been eight decades since Hitler, the Nazis, and the Holocaust. I know it's technically indoctrination and the use of propaganda to instruct kids about all that historical context. And to reiterate to them to a point of insist repetition that antisemitism, ableism, homophobia, racism, transphobia, and the like specifically and ultranationalism in general are immoral, toxic viewpoints.
I basically just kind of accept this. Antisemitism shouldn't exist in America and shouldn't cause horrible suffering to widespread numbers of people any more than brain cancer, spousal abuse, broken bones, pneumonia, car accidents, or any other terrible life aspect that destroys hopes and dreams should exist. Working to eradicate homophobia is the same ethically to me as working to eradicate smallpox. That's my mindset.
Schools should straight up order the young to be morally better than how social pressure might otherwise push them to act. Teach them that racial prejudice is wrong. That religious prejudice is wrong. That political violence is wrong. And so on. By the way, they shouldn't sexually assault anyone or steal from anyone. Or otherwise be obnoxious and cruel to their fellow Americans.
It's not the same thing as 2+2=4. I know. But I think there's no real way around doing this.
I used to be a Christian and also used to be a social conservative. So, I genuinely understand having as a core conviction that your fellow Americans are inferiors that God intends to punish with hellfire. And that allowing gay couples to get married or hold public office, say, is a form of degenerate public filth that cannot be culturally allowed. And children must be made to believe as such. It's God's will.
There's really no way around this culture war. Either God hates you and your neighbor or God loves you and your neighbor. Either God wants children to live a rainbow existence with all various races, religions, ethnicities, et al living together equally or God wants segregated separation. Either God wants you to be happy and be yourself or God wants you to be miserable and conform to alien values. Either. Or.
So, yes, I do want "woke indoctrination". I'll be honest. Tell the kids that God loves them, made them special, made their lives sacred, and wants to help them. And tell them that the parents who instruct their children about God's hatred and need for the superior to rule over the inferior are lying. These two moral philosophies are as directly opposed as like the idea of the sun revolving around the earth versus the earth revolving around the sun. They can't coexist.
Schools shouldn't be in the business of preaching morality.
No matter how good and sincere you presume your standards are, someone'll always disagree, and the nature of states is that these things change hands.
Hell, that's a big part of the current fuss.
It'd be convenient if the world ran how you or I want.
Unfortunately, much as many folk keep their seat belt on while driving, a gun by the nightstand, or a fire extinguisher in the kitchen, states need precautions.
States all over the globe have used such indoctrination to murder countless.
I'd rather not give such power to such unreliable actors.
Better to leave it to the parents if they want their children prosletyzed by government agents.
Schools very purpose is to educate and correct kids in their behaviour.
Morality is inherent to that.
Ultimately, schools aren't responsible for what the kids take home from it, that will be the responsibility of the parents.
But one of the first things kids need to learn is that there are a multitude of individuals, that sexuality and cultures / ethnicities in society and that for the betterment of all we should live with that.
A school that tolerates racism / sexual violence is a pretty shitty school in my opinion.
>>11652>Schools very purpose is to educate and correct kids in their behaviour.
Educate, yes. Correct, absolutely not.
That's the domain of the parents.
Again; numerous states have used such methods as you point to for horrific ends, and that's exactly why things like that are frowned upon.
It's all well and good to say what would be done in your ideal fantasy if you had all the power, but that's not the way nations work.
If we could just wave our hands and expect no power to be abused in any way, that'd be lovely.
There'd be no wars, no hunger, no strife.
But humans don't work that way.
And states are run by humans.
It's a bit blurry. On one hand, teachers tend to lean very liberal for some reason, and expressing your personal beliefs in some capacity seems fine to me. It also seems pretty sensible to come down in certain historical practices, like slavery and nazism.
On the other hand, teachers hold a lot of power over students, and to leverage that power indoctrinate students is wrong, and it seems there are plenty of instances of teachers doing just that. I remember I had a teacher in high school like that, feminist type, would give out credits to girls just for being girls, ironic when you consider that women tend to do better academically, so it's literally imposing disadvantage on an already disadvantaged group, which shines a light on how dogmatic, narrow-minded, and hypocritical certain forms of leftism tend to be in America. The exact same act is either progress or racism depending on what group it's directed towards.
I think teachers expressing their opinions, or condemning groups we can all agree are awful (e.g. Nazis, terrorists, dictators) is fine, but students should feel no pressure and have no threat of institutional power against them should they feel like arguing against that teacher. If you're talking politics and personal opinion, the teachers should be treated as just another student.
>>11640>Is it true that woke propaganda is being pushed in public education?
Probably.>And if so, what should be done about it?
What a person pleases, I suppose.>I would say that the morals taught in public school should be those that are widely supported by ordinary Americans.
Sometimes I think this set dwindles.>Public schools shouldn't really endorse one side of a politically contentious issue.
I don't know.>I remember a decade or two ago, it was far-right Christian fundamentalists who were trying to prevent the teaching of science of human evolution in public schools. Nowadays, i guess it's the woke far left.
Sadly I did not have much of a political education prior to attending public school. Evolution was a difficult topic, I think. It would be hard to code a great deal of what I learned in school politically, though.
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For example, I'd consider uncritical praise of the "Black Lives Matter" ("BLM") movement to be woke propaganda. Wokes have a nasty habit of virtue signaling hard without seriously evaluating the actual impacts of their efforts. The BLM movement actually caused a lot *more* black lives to be ended by homicide and car crashes.
I know enough about homicide to know that the only cause is killers.
Vehicle Deaths may have causes, I think. Why are they up?
Teachers have power over students. I think adults have a tough time remembering just how beholden they had to be to the adults in their life when they were kids, just how much those adults could fuck up their standard of living. It's weird to me. I didn't forget that stuff. >>11693
Eh, I'm not sure how much police enforcement really motivates someone to drunk drive or not. If the high physical risk isn't enough to motivate someone to not drunk drive, i don't see how a ticket will be.