/townhall/ - Townhall

It seems kind of self-evident that your voice and appearance generally doesn't matter in socially engaging but that they matter in very specific circumstances.

One that comes to mind immediately is a health discussion, in which it would be logical to share 'here is a picture of how badly my arm was broken'.

If you abstain from sharing in all circumstances absolutely that appears justifiable even if others would not be like that.

>>11565
>One that comes to mind immediately is a health discussion, in which it would be logical to share 'here is a picture of how badly my arm was broken'.

False.  It is logical to follow policy.

>>11564
Being anonymous/pseudonymous is a good idea nowadays due to all the horrible cancel-culture assholes who try to harass people and/or get them fired from their jobs.

>>11567
That's good.  You can increase the cost of harassment, I think, in restricting access to current employment information.  Many people post their information on LinkedIn or whatever, so some might think it a bit paranoid, but I can be unlucky.

>>11568
Come to think of it, my workplace has posted pictures of me on Twitter [without my permission, but I guess you have no expectation of privacy at work].  But at least they didn't tag it with my full name.

Huh, well, depending where you live, askinf for pictures on a job application is illegal, except through loopholes regarding visual jobs like modelling and such.

In general, I also do not share my face or voice, though aa a trans woman it is not just general privacy that concerns me. That said, I do share my face/voice with those I am sufficiently close with to consider friends, who I have sufficiently "vetted".

So, I would say that nobody is entitled to any aspect of your being, ever. Face, voice, name, any information whatsoever. People don't like it? they can deal with it.

They could potentially use this data, as you put it, for a lot of things, should they choose to go down devious pathways. You should certainly never share pictures with random strangers, you never know where they might end up or how they might be used.

I know exactly where the general consensus on the internet changed from "dont give out any information about yourself whatsoever" to "share everything all the time!". Im sure anyone with half a brain does too. Social Media got rid of it.

>>11569
Are you sure you did not sign something in your employment contract that gave them permission for this? I have had it in my contracts for both McDonalds and Cinemark that my visage can be used in marketing material, or other such things.. Nothing about my name though.

For my work, I always sign off for using pictures of me they have from whatever event. even if for promos.

For the internet, I'd like to keep it pseudonomous.
So I am terrified of putting my name or actual physical details to what I put down.
Well, my voice has been out there for vocaroo once.

Not just because of the political debates, but for other posts in general.
I like to be cheesy, post about serious and non serious things and enjoy building up a persona with a style of humour and certain likes. if I wanted people in real life to know about that, I'd tell them.
In the other direction, I don't want to give people on the internet full information of who I am, what I look like and what I do outside of the internet. that feels like kind of gross information for others to have.
I mean, people who want to meet up with me on friendly terms, eventually find out, of course. But I do hope they don't go around spreading that information towards about anybody.

>>11570
Hello, A. Squirrel.  :)

>a trans woman it is not just general privacy that concerns me
Do you worry about harassment or assault?

>I know exactly where the general consensus on the internet changed from "dont give out any information about yourself whatsoever" to "share everything all the time!".

Maybe at some level it would be nice to live in a world where we wouldn't have to waste time with appearance validation or have to worry about threats.  There could be power in acting as though that were true, even if it's also dumb.  Fake it until you make it.

But I don't know.  Share everything culture does seem to conveniently align with the goals of big tech (and maybe government).

>you did not sign something in your employment contract that gave them permission for this

Who knows?  But I gather you have no privacy at work anyway.  With the exception -- I looked this up once -- they can't put cameras in places that view areas where you would be expected to undress.  Much of the bathroom is off limits.

>>11569
The important point is to keep your pseudonymous online identities separate and unconnected to your IRL identity.  Lots of people have two Twitter accounts, a face account for uncontroversial tweets and a pseudonymous anime-avatar account for political takes.

>>11573
>harassment/assault
Thats a part of it. In a lot of situations I dont want to be known AS a trans woman, because I just want to exist without that baggage. Also its best to keep that a secret from most strangers just because you never know if theyre bigots or not. So it is partially not wanting to out myself, and partially the worry that I will get harassed because of it.

Also yeah I mean I agree it would be NICE if we could all share who we are and all that without being afraid of attack or anything, but I don't think that world can ever really exist.

>no pricacy at work
Yeah. Though there is a difference between no privacy at work and "we can post employees faces and names on social media and in marketing materials". Though any company that would do the latter usually has you sign a waver for it.

>>11574
This is also true, you want your real takes to have weight. If you just have an anime avatar account like me, people will use that against you. Which I personally don't mind, I find it funny.

>>11564
>Yeah. Though there is a difference between no privacy at work and "we can post employees faces and names on social media and in marketing materials". Though any company that would do the latter usually has you sign a waver for it.

Ok.  So it's perfectly fine to say -- "here's a picture of our employees."  Maybe even to put the names, but it seems gray area.

You need permission to say "Here's John Doe, who is never without our ABC brand Whatzit."

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/question-unauthorized-use-of-photo-28285.html

>>11577
But if permission is boilerplate for every employment contract, then it's all effectively moot for employees.

>>11577
Well yeah I assumed you need permission for either one.