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 No.10700

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It's Sam Walton's 104th birthday today. You perhaps have heard of the tycoon's family in the news, with him being the mover and shaker behind making the WalMart Corporation what it is today. He lived from March 29, 1918 to April 5, 1992, a notable event in his life including in 1998 being placed in the magazine 'Time' inside its list of the "100 most influential people of the 20th Century." WalMart remains in 2022 one of the world's most influential businesses although it's been dogged with various controversies that endure.

What do you think about the relative success of a select few billionaires in the U.S. compared to the general wellbeing of the regular populace? Do you feel like modern oligarchs generally deserve what they've gotten due to forward thinking? Do you think that, in contrast, the U.S. has a system with too much crony capitalism? What ideal reforms, if any, would you enact in terms of wealth inequality? Or are concerns overblown?

 No.10701

For those interested in the complete aforementioned list of the
100 most influential, it's at:

> http://content.time.com/time/subscriber/article/0,33009,991227,00.html

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>>10700
>What do you think about the relative success of a select few billionaires in the U.S. compared to the general wellbeing of the regular populace?
Probably exaggerated.  Very likely.

>Do you feel like modern oligarchs generally deserve what they've gotten due to forward thinking?
It's about balance.  Perhaps I would answer, no.  In that they might deserve less than 50% of their wealth.  It's hard to exactly put a number on it.

>Do you think that, in contrast, the U.S. has a system with too much crony capitalism? What ideal reforms, if any, would you enact in terms of wealth inequality? Or are concerns overblown?

The solution would be an effective progressive tax.  Too regressive a tax system stifles innovation of masses with no access to funds.  Too progressive stifles innovation at the top.  So you need to balance those factors, I think.

Moving in a progress tax direction is a practical challenge, though.  Big money is fluid and seeks business-friendly zones.  Money buys political influence, and the rich typically wish to make states business-friendly as well.

I don't think concerns are over-blown.  I feel a bit like Marx in thinking the system must simply implode at an extreme of inequality.  But capitalism is more stable than Marx imagined.  There's some maximum allowable inequality -- an equilibrium between the rich and poor.  It's probably quite bad, but by definition, tolerable.  The New Deal pushed America away from this distribution, but we are inching back.

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>>10702
A more effective and more progressive tax structure would probably help a lot in the U.S., although I'm wary about the odds of needed reforms happening in the near future.

More likely there will be more Donald Trump style "rent seeking" whereby certain businesspeople push for special government connections in order to help themselves at the expense of both rivals and the general taxpayer.

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>>10706
>certain businesspeople push for special government connections
I would like for someone to tell me there's a kind of political order where this doesn't happen.  Even if you had a democracy (which the US isn't), people are susceptible to propaganda.  Social media and big data systems make this more efficient, even.

So you get back to the idea of equilibrium.  The non-rich will have as little power as they can be made to tolerate not having, or that they can be made to believe they deserve.  It is only if the rich get this calculus way off that there will be --- "revolution!".  And it has to be way off, a little off will just enable a few terrorists.

 No.10714

>>10710
Granted, while it happens everywhere, it tends to be worse in America. America elected Donald Trump President, after all, and actively allowed Trump to enrich himself and his family personally at the direct expense of both business rivals and the average taxpayer. Other democracies have tended to not be so incredibly corrupt and immoral. Alas.

Hopefully, future laws can prevent future Trump style fleecing.

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>>10714
>Other democracies have tended to not be so incredibly corrupt and immoral
We are placed in the top 15% in this index [https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2021].  Somewhat, though, this depends on your definition of democracy.  Nearly every country today makes a claim to being democratic.  But I'm guessing you're comparing America to the 27 nations judged superior.  Denmark, France, Germany, etc.

>it tends to be worse in America
I suppose I should ask, what do those nations have that America lacks that allows America to be more 'business friendly,' or that made Trump attractive?

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>>10766
>what do those nations have that America lacks

That's a great question. It likely relates to lower social trust in the U.S. between strangers compared to other nations, which dovetails with our "culture of hatred" and "culture of violence" thereby general crimes (from carjacking to sexual assault to white collar cons and more) are more common here than other Western nations. Beyond just trust, the average person in the U.S. has less in common with a stranger and more reasons to fear a stranger in general, perhaps? I'm sure that a full analysis would be involve a full book's length in terms of intellectual study.


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