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I think people can have such different experiences with reality that it's hard to say it's objective, in practice.  Even if an objective reality were to exist, we can't just discard the lens people see it through, because we're also observing it through our own lenses, and the nature of those lenses are sometimes more important than reality itself.

>>1194407
Let's see... there's objective reality -- science, mathematics - things that can be proven and over which there is no debate: you either understand the concept or you don't. Then there's subjective reality -- not objective, not provable, but which is unique to the person experiencing it.

Neuroticism: when someone with an objective framework tells someone operating on a subjective framework that they are wrong: i.e.: "your emotions are just a chemical reaction between Molecule A and Synapse B, nothing more"

Psychosis: when someone with a subjective framework tells someone operating on an objective framework that they are wrong: i.e: pi = 3, not 3.14159265...

boops prove the existence of reality outside your mind

...then there's virtue ethics, which says that all of your questions are mostly irrelevant, since virtue is all that is important

heidegger might have some good ideas

The reality of reality is concept made manifest into physicality

>>1194427
What about concepts that are proven by math, but completely incomprehensible such as higher and even lower dimensions?

>>1194450
...yes, uh... hinduism, or a meta variety of hinduism, i believe

>>1194456
ah, well, that just means it's currently incomprehensible by the human brain -- not that it can never be understood by anyone ever

if stuff exists outside of my mind, then i'm glad i got to meet you

if all that exists is within my mind, then i'm glad my mind came up with you

and whether i'm awake or dreaming, i wish to enjoy the moment so that life is beautiful either way

>>1194412

This is actually why neuroscience and neouropsychology are so fascinating to me. It's basically whybI subscribe to the idea of representational realism. Reality as experienced is the product of the brain constructing it from sensory information, including filling in the blanks where information was missing (like for example, phantom limb syndrome).

It's also the reason I strive for humility over my worldview, reject dogmatism and admire others who strive to do the same.

Maybe there is no reason or maybe our silly monkey brains just can't understand it.

Perhaps the universe is just chaos, random chance and entropy. Maybe there is no reason for anything ever. Things just happen and that's it. But of course, a lot of people don't like this idea.

Which is of course understandable because it is rather unfathomable and nonsensical to us humans. We all like to think we know everything and that we are in control.. But what if we aren't? Just chaos and chance.  

>>1194513

Chaos and order are just mental constructs anyway. Sometimes we think things are chaotic simply because we can't comprehend the pattern or cannot perceive enough of it to see the pattern.

My personal sense is that objective reality exists, but anywhere and everywhere humanity hates it and wishes to live in fantasy.

I would systemically agree with Plato and everybody after him who believe in fundamental ideas of "metaphysical absolutism".

Objective qualities of shared mental experiences are real. The physical universe is real. Society is real. In summary, real things are real.

Reality exists whether or not you accept it. A river will still be a river even if you don't understand the intellectual concept of how it works, or if you can't see it, or if you can't hear it, and so on. You can call it by whatever terms you wish. You're still reflecting metaphysical facts that exist independent of you as a person. Or of anybody else as people. Reality is what it is.

"The true lover of knowledge is always striving after 'Being'. That is his nature, He will not rest at those multitudinous particular phenomena whose existence is in appearance only, but will go on-the keen edge will not be blunted, nor the force of his passion abate until he have attained the knowledge of the true nature of all essence by a sympathetic and kindred power in the soul." - Plato

But, still, even this philosophy that I'm agreeing with is nowhere near easy to discuss, to defend, or examine critically, or to even understand in the first place, sadly.

>that feel when it's time for philosophy

>>1194513
As Marcus Aurelius, who was a Stoic, basically said, whether it's by random chance or divine purpose that we are here, we should be thankful to have reason to guide us, as that is all that is necessary.