No.7559
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Banning nonny isn't the issue
Will you guys just talk to him? Yes he can be intense, but this can't continue and he is usually calm when you talk to their emotions. Is nonny a girl? How old are they?
No.7561
>>7559Appealing to Nonny's emotions has been tried. Many times. To the chagrin of everyone who is not Nonny. And Nonny too, apparently. It appears to work for a time and then he gets drunk and comes in causing a mess. Being unable to regulate your emotions doesn't give you license to burst in and wreck the house, nor does it allow you to insult, threaten, or otherwise antagonize people. He has been disrespectful of the staff, the users, and every rule we have here, many times. He has been reasoned with, appealed to. Deals made. Allowances given. He has been given more chances than any other user and he has squandered every last one of them.
Banning Nonny is the only option left.
No.7563
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So whatever did happen with Nonny's thread from yesterday?
No.7564
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>>7562>>7561It doesn't feel right
No.7565
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It's been tried multiple times, by multiple people (myself included), and then he'll inevitably try to act like he was always right and that we're just always overreacting and should be nice to him and he'll act in kind when he does his schizo shit.
That or he'll get blackout drunk and start crashing out. Again.
Nonny, please seek therapy. And I don't mean that in a snarky or passive aggressive way. I'm not a psychologist but mentally healthy people don't generally rubber-band between crashing out and being cordial on a regular basis, and getting shitfaced and screaming at everyone online, or making an ass of yourself isn't a healthy way of dealing with your issues.
No.7566
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>>7565Screw you. I'm trying to rejoin the military. I just called the marines, begging them for a chance. I'm fucking praying for it.
No.7567
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>>1199719>>7566Nonny. Relax. Relax. I don't post here normally at all, but maybe just think. Everyone here isn't as strong as you maybe, but it's a place for people to come together. I don't want to fight you. Your anger is destructive.
No.7569
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>>7566Were you recently discharged? I remember bringing your heavy drinking up as a concern, but you blew me off and said it was all under control.
>>1199719I was going to say that you quoted the wrong person, but it looks like no one in this thread said that. I wasn't even implying that, though at this point, I don't disagree with it. You once said (from a Discord account that you've either deleted or that has been banned) that if I treat you with kindness, you'll respond in kind. But that isn't the case. If I ever seem like I'm keeping you at arms length, it's because I know how inconsistent you are. You can be nice one day and then get a little liquor in you and you're a complete asshole for no reason.
No.7570
>>7566HAHAAAAAAAA
Not even the army would take a drunk, and OF COURSE you'd try for the military. You're hopeless AND you're looking to being taken advantage of.
No.7575
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>>7574Honestly I wish I knew
No.7577
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Was nice knowing ya. Some of ya. A few of ya. Bye bye.
No.7581
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No.7582
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>>7561>insult, threaten, or otherwise antagonize peopleAlways a funny one to me, because 9 times out of 10 it's Nonny responding to exactly that, and people being shocked.
Then again that's been the issue with this site for literal decades at this stage.
General cattiness, passive agressiveness, or spiteful hostility abound.
And nothing's ever done about that, because it's only actually a problem if it turns into a fight.
Frankly it's why the site's been dying for forever. Ever since its inception, really.
Because at the end of the day, you've explicitly cultivated a culture of catty karens who are just miserable to be around.
Used to be I blamed Moony for it, figuring it was that whole 'keep the peace' mentality at play. But it's really not. It's the whole place. 'Least at this point, and probably for a long while.
Turns out when you create a culture of cuntishness, you're left with only the cuntish.
No.7584
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>>7583I think if you're going to hugbox, you should actually hugbox, and hit people being passive-aggressive, petty, or otherwise condescending the same as you would any other rulebreaker, honestly.
'Least that's what I said for years for Townhall.
Though I don't see it too different outside.
No.7585
>>7582>Always a funny one to me, because 9 times out of 10 it's Nonny responding to exactly that, and people being shocked.That's absolutely also a problem. I don't think 9/10 is the ratio, it's probably about 50-50. But there's definitely been times when Nonny has gone off and there was a really clear trigger, but Nonny didn't report the trigger, but the trigger reported Nonny after he'd gone off. And like, no, you can't purposefully trigger someone and then complain they're mad about it. And truth be told there were probably too many of those times we missed and didn't act.
But those aren't really the reason he's banned. Even if that's 90% of it, there's so much that 10% is still a lot. Like there was absolutely no trigger a day or two ago when we had to step in and be like "Okay, we're doing something." And that was far from the first instance, itself.
No.7586
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>>7585You mean as far as the story thread, and the whole blowup between him and Esh?
Eh, I don't know that I'd agree. Though it's the usual passive aggressive jazz I was talking about. Being snippy, condescending, and otherwise dismissive, which'll obviously inevitably drive up conflict.
Seems the 'blowup' occured after Esh got annoyed when his "I don't have 5$ for a gym membership" comment was taken literally.
Which I should also note is when he outright admits he was being hostile prior, as well.
I'm not saying Nonny doesn't go too far on these things. Or even that a ban isn't warranted.
But there's a reason this same type of fare has been happening repeatedly with a myriad of other users, leaving aside how many've simply left with bad blood and a sharp dislike for this 'community'.
And fundamentally, it's interactions like that one.
Honestly the only difference with Nonny is that he snaps immediately, rather than letting things fester into a mutual hatred after dozens of similar interactions.
No.7588
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Good. Maybe if they banned him earlier along with his dick riding posse dedicated to harassing anybody who isn't a part of their super special club then this site wouldn't be a ghost town.
As things are (as they still are, as I see no reason to think that this permaban will actually be permanent this time) if you aren't friends with Nonny and you aren't in his special circle of people who are immune to the rules for some inconceivable reason then you have no reason to post on this site, because they will make your life hell for having an opinion that they do not like, or being in the wrong place at the wrong time, or in any way catching their attention when they're cranky.
Now watch me get punished worse than any of the people who actively destroyed this place and any semblance of community it had for saying something mean about them, and for using the word "dick". The admins get really mad when someone who isn't Nonny and Co. says a swear.
No.7589
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>>7587Not really sure what you mean.
>>7588>his dick riding posse dedicated to harassingThis feels like some schizo nonsense.
Even leaving aside the 'dick riding posse' that consists of... What, two dudes?
Who're they supposedly harassing? Nonny's spats tend to be with most anyone at all. I hardly recall any moment he'd had trouble with Esh before, for instance. I guess he gets into fights with Andrea fairly regularly, but that's pretty clearly a mutual thing given how often they in turn go after him.
But, all that is firmly 'him' besides. Nobody else.
Boat or I'll stick our heads in now and again, but seeing a fight with a friend and joining in, usually with little more than a quip or two, hardly constitutes any level of 'harassment'.
No.7590
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>>7589Honestly this. I've seen these two have conflicts with people occasionally, but that's to be expected anywhere. I've never seen them "harass" anybody.
Even Nonny I struggle to say has "harassed" anyone. Gotten into fights with people constantly? Said insane shit when mad? Absolutely. But to me harassment is more targeted and done for a reason. Nonny just fought with basically everyone for little reason except that he was angry at the time.
I think Nonny deserves permaban for a lot of shit he's said, from being transphobic to people on the site, to near constantly threatening people with physical violence. But was he "harassing" people- as in, specifically targeting individuals? I don't know. Dude just has problems.
No.7593
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You know, Moony once banned me for two weeks back on Ponychan because I'd already been banned a certain number of times. He showed me the bans when I appealed, and one of them was a jokeban on a hidden board. I had the screencap to prove it and everything. He didn't take that for an answer. So the fact that it's taken this long for Nonny to get perma'd is baffling and frankly a little bit insulting.
How many times has he ban evaded, something which is a permaban on most forums? How many times has he broken Rule #1 alone? Given that the answer to both of those questions is 'a fuckton', how is there even a single person against this? And with that question in mind, how do we know OP isn't just Nonny using a different IP, which is something he's done several times already in order to ban evade?
I mean, if we count the jokeban I got banned from Ponychan ten separate times, but I was in my early teens, having a terrible time IRL, and most likely dealing with a then-undiagnosed anxiety disorder on top of literal autism. Yet I said sorry, tolerated my punishments, learned from my mistakes, got medicated, and eventually stopped getting banned. Even after this long, I don't think we can say Nonny's done any of those things.
And I don't think that necessarily makes him a bad person, nor does it make him a lost cause. I don't think there's a such thing as a lost cause, I think every person has the power to change and grow and improve. But Nonny very clearly needs help y'all can't give him, and until he accepts that and seeks it out on his own initiative the same things are going to keep happening. This cycle should've been broken a long time ago, and again, I'm amazed (and a little offended) that it's only happened now.
No.7594
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>>7593If there's one thing I've learned over the years, it's that the majority of moderation on any site, let alone chans like these, do not give a rat's ass about consistency, justice, fairness, or even the rules themselves.
It's why I've taken the stance of never caring in the slightest when it comes to staff enforcement.
I mostly keep my nose clean anyway due to my own standards. But, ultimately, what gets you banned one day will be fine the next, and what gets the book thrown at you later on the guy you were talking might well've done a dozen times.
Funnily enough, it was this place that taught me that.
Moony's a peacemaker, frankly, and so only really throws the book at those who'll accept it, I learned. I get the rationale. But the net result is nothing pleasant for anyone involved.
