/canterlot/ - Canterlot

Hi nonny how drunk are you, today?

>>7559
Appealing to Nonny's emotions has been tried. Many times. To the chagrin of everyone who is not Nonny. And Nonny too, apparently. It appears to work for a time and then he gets drunk and comes in causing a mess. Being unable to regulate your emotions doesn't give you license to burst in and wreck the house, nor does it allow you to insult, threaten, or otherwise antagonize people. He has been disrespectful of the staff, the users, and every rule we have here, many times. He has been reasoned with, appealed to. Deals made. Allowances given. He has been given more chances than any other user and he has squandered every last one of them.

Banning Nonny is the only option left.

Fuck nonny and fuck those who enable him

So whatever did happen with Nonny's thread from yesterday?

>>7562
>>7561
It doesn't feel right

It's been tried multiple times, by multiple people (myself included), and then he'll inevitably try to act like he was always right and that we're just always overreacting and should be nice to him and he'll act in kind when he does his schizo shit.

That or he'll get blackout drunk and start crashing out. Again.


Nonny, please seek therapy. And I don't mean that in a snarky or passive aggressive way. I'm not a psychologist but mentally healthy people don't generally rubber-band between crashing out and being cordial on a regular basis, and getting shitfaced and screaming at everyone online, or making an ass of yourself isn't a healthy way of dealing with your issues.

>>7565
Screw you. I'm trying to rejoin the military. I just called the marines, begging them for a chance. I'm fucking praying for it.

>>1199719
>>7566
Nonny. Relax. Relax. I don't post here normally at all, but maybe just think. Everyone here isn't as strong as you maybe, but it's a place for people to come together. I don't want to fight you. Your anger is destructive.  

>>7566
Oh I'd pay good money to be your DI

>>7566
Were you recently discharged? I remember bringing your heavy drinking up as a concern, but you blew me off and said it was all under control.

>>1199719
I was going to say that you quoted the wrong person, but it looks like no one in this thread said that. I wasn't even implying that, though at this point, I don't disagree with it. You once said (from a Discord account that you've either deleted or that has been banned) that if I treat you with kindness, you'll respond in kind. But that isn't the case. If I ever seem like I'm keeping you at arms length, it's because I know how inconsistent you are. You can be nice one day and then get a little liquor in you and you're a complete asshole for no reason.

>>7566
HAHAAAAAAAA

Not even the army would take a drunk, and OF COURSE you'd try for the military. You're hopeless AND you're looking to being taken advantage of.

>>7570
Nah the Marines will take anyone with a pulse and no outstanding warrants. And Boot Camp is probably the best rehab you can for cheap. I think it would be good for him

>>7571
He'd sooner kill himself

It is the position of the moderation staff that Nonny has been given multiple chances and much leniency under which to improve his behavior and respect the rules of this site. He was recently given one final chance to show that he could change, on the grounds that he voluntarily take at least a month break from the site, which he immediately proceeded to not do. As such we have decided that he is permanently banned, and all posts hereby determined to be from Nonny will be deleted and the IP banned permanently.

>>7573
Why'd it take so fucking long to get here yall have perma'd others for way less

>>7574
Honestly I wish I knew

Was nice knowing ya.  Some of ya.  A few of ya.  Bye bye.

>>7578
Put the fries in the bag, nonny

>>7561
>insult, threaten, or otherwise antagonize people
Always a funny one to me, because 9 times out of 10 it's Nonny responding to exactly that, and people being shocked.
Then again that's been the issue with this site for literal decades at this stage.
General cattiness, passive agressiveness, or spiteful hostility abound.
And nothing's ever done about that, because it's only actually a problem if it turns into a fight.

Frankly it's why the site's been dying for forever. Ever since its inception, really.
Because at the end of the day, you've explicitly cultivated a culture of catty karens who are just miserable to be around.

Used to be I blamed Moony for it, figuring it was that whole 'keep the peace' mentality at play. But it's really not. It's the whole place. 'Least at this point, and probably for a long while.
Turns out when you create a culture of cuntishness, you're left with only the cuntish.

>>7582
Do you say this as someone who knows of a better way, or as someone who just likes to point out problems?

>>7583
I think if you're going to hugbox, you should actually hugbox, and hit people being passive-aggressive, petty, or otherwise condescending the same as you would any other rulebreaker, honestly.
'Least that's what I said for years for Townhall.
Though I don't see it too different outside.

>>7582
>Always a funny one to me, because 9 times out of 10 it's Nonny responding to exactly that, and people being shocked.

That's absolutely also a problem.  I don't think 9/10 is the ratio, it's probably about 50-50.  But there's definitely been times when Nonny has gone off and there was a really clear trigger, but Nonny didn't report the trigger, but the trigger reported Nonny after he'd gone off.  And like, no, you can't purposefully trigger someone and then complain they're mad about it.  And truth be told there were probably too many of those times we missed and didn't act.

But those aren't really the reason he's banned.  Even if that's 90% of it, there's so much that 10% is still a lot.  Like there was absolutely no trigger a day or two ago when we had to step in and be like "Okay, we're doing something."  And that was far from the first instance, itself.

>>7585
You mean as far as the story thread, and the whole blowup between him and Esh?
Eh, I don't know that I'd agree. Though it's the usual passive aggressive jazz I was talking about. Being snippy, condescending, and otherwise dismissive, which'll obviously inevitably drive up conflict.

Seems the 'blowup' occured after Esh got annoyed when his "I don't have 5$ for a gym membership" comment was taken literally.
Which I should also note is when he outright admits he was being hostile prior, as well.

I'm not saying Nonny doesn't go too far on these things. Or even that a ban isn't warranted.
But there's a reason this same type of fare has been happening repeatedly with a myriad of other users, leaving aside how many've simply left with bad blood and a sharp dislike for this 'community'.
And fundamentally, it's interactions like that one.

Honestly the only difference with Nonny is that he snaps immediately, rather than letting things fester into a mutual hatred after dozens of similar interactions.

>>7582
Seems like you've some bones to pick, care to be more specific?

Good. Maybe if they banned him earlier along with his dick riding posse dedicated to harassing anybody who isn't a part of their super special club then this site wouldn't be a ghost town.

As things are (as they still are, as I see no reason to think that this permaban will actually be permanent this time) if you aren't friends with Nonny and you aren't in his special circle of people who are immune to the rules for some inconceivable reason then you have no reason to post on this site, because they will make your life hell for having an opinion that they do not like, or being in the wrong place at the wrong time, or in any way catching their attention when they're cranky.


Now watch me get punished worse than any of the people who actively destroyed this place and any semblance of community it had for saying something mean about them, and for using the word "dick". The admins get really mad when someone who isn't Nonny and Co. says a swear.

>>7587
Not really sure what you mean.

>>7588
>his dick riding posse dedicated to harassing
This feels like some schizo nonsense.
Even leaving aside the 'dick riding posse' that consists of... What, two dudes?
Who're they supposedly harassing? Nonny's spats tend to be with most anyone at all. I hardly recall any moment he'd had trouble with Esh before, for instance. I guess he gets into fights with Andrea fairly regularly, but that's pretty clearly a mutual thing given how often they in turn go after him.
But, all that is firmly 'him' besides. Nobody else.
Boat or I'll stick our heads in now and again, but seeing a fight with a friend and joining in, usually with little more than a quip or two, hardly constitutes any level of 'harassment'.

>>7589
Honestly this. I've seen these two have conflicts with people occasionally, but that's to be expected anywhere. I've never seen them "harass" anybody.

Even Nonny I struggle to say has "harassed" anyone. Gotten into fights with people constantly? Said insane shit when mad? Absolutely. But to me harassment is more targeted and done for a reason. Nonny just fought with basically everyone for little reason except that he was angry at the time.

I think Nonny deserves permaban for a lot of shit he's said, from being transphobic to people on the site, to near constantly threatening people with physical violence. But was he "harassing" people- as in, specifically targeting individuals? I don't know. Dude just has problems.

You know, Moony once banned me for two weeks back on Ponychan because I'd already been banned a certain number of times. He showed me the bans when I appealed, and one of them was a jokeban on a hidden board. I had the screencap to prove it and everything. He didn't take that for an answer. So the fact that it's taken this long for Nonny to get perma'd is baffling and frankly a little bit insulting.

How many times has he ban evaded, something which is a permaban on most forums? How many times has he broken Rule #1 alone? Given that the answer to both of those questions is 'a fuckton', how is there even a single person against this? And with that question in mind, how do we know OP isn't just Nonny using a different IP, which is something he's done several times already in order to ban evade?

I mean, if we count the jokeban I got banned from Ponychan ten separate times, but I was in my early teens, having a terrible time IRL, and most likely dealing with a then-undiagnosed anxiety disorder on top of literal autism. Yet I said sorry, tolerated my punishments, learned from my mistakes, got medicated, and eventually stopped getting banned. Even after this long, I don't think we can say Nonny's done any of those things.

And I don't think that necessarily makes him a bad person, nor does it make him a lost cause. I don't think there's a such thing as a lost cause, I think every person has the power to change and grow and improve. But Nonny very clearly needs help y'all can't give him, and until he accepts that and seeks it out on his own initiative the same things are going to keep happening. This cycle should've been broken a long time ago, and again, I'm amazed (and a little offended) that it's only happened now.

>>7593
If there's one thing I've learned over the years, it's that the majority of moderation on any site, let alone chans like these, do not give a rat's ass about consistency, justice, fairness, or even the rules themselves.

It's why I've taken the stance of never caring in the slightest when it comes to staff enforcement.
I mostly keep my nose clean anyway due to my own standards. But, ultimately, what gets you banned one day will be fine the next, and what gets the book thrown at you later on the guy you were talking might well've done a dozen times.

Funnily enough, it was this place that taught me that.
Moony's a peacemaker, frankly, and so only really throws the book at those who'll accept it, I learned. I get the rationale. But the net result is nothing pleasant for anyone involved.

On a place slow as this, where most people are personally invested, I feel a bit sympathy for the mod's slow reaction.

If Nonny could behave at times, it seems needlessly cruel to exclude them.

Unfortunately, at some point you need to make the tough calls. And you're stuck wondering if it is worth the effort to ban Nonny, or to just mitigate the others encouraging them.


But it did suck to see others get banned, while Nonny seemed largely ignored. That was not the best way to go around it. Or at least the mods could have called them out on it. Or supported Mondo.

Anyways, bygones. Bye gone.

>>7596
I don't know how to tell you how maddening it has been for me as well. I thought the first permaban should have been enough but I was told to let him continue posting for reasons I still don't understand. Apparently this is how long it takes to convince someone to stop being a pushover

>>7594
>Funnily enough, it was this place that taught me that.

Good to hear we've had a positive impact on the world, because you're not really wrong, and that was known from the very beginning.  A list of rules can only be so detailed, and ironically the more detailed your rules are, the more likely it is that someone can disrupt the board while following the rules, while still claiming they've done nothing wrong and should be free to continue.  The rules were left somewhat vague, especially for a professional lawyer, because while guidelines are useful, ultimately we have to remove people based on emotions rather than written code.

As an anarchist, being a mod has always been kinda weird.  There's plenty of really obvious stuff to deal with, the stuff I always wanted to be able to deal with.  Child pornography advertising, raids from off site, that sort of thing.  No one wants that here, and on the off chance anyone did, the rest of us don't want them here.  There's no decision to be made, that stuff has to go.

There's also a lot of stuff that's less straightforward, though.  Any time decisions come up about banning a recurring poster, there's going to be people that like having them around, instead.  Questions have to be asked about what the purpose of the site is, and who we really want on it, and what its future is going to look like.  And perhaps that, rather than logical rules clarifications, are what was really missing.

There's a feeling that the site was made for a group of people that were here at the beginning, but a whole lot of those people probably should've been permabanned by way of any rules we have, and yet if the purpose was to give them a home can we really ban them?  We've lost so many people over the years, and we don't exactly get a steady stream of new users, either.  We don't advertise at all, and there's nothing to really advertise even if we did.  "Come hang out with a group of people you don't know that don't talk about anything in particular."  The site's attrition and deterioration are inevitable with goals like that, and yet there's nothing really wrong with that, either, and I haven't been given any particular direction otherwise.

I suppose that's all just me rambling, though.  Not sure that the text wall does anyone else any good, but it makes me feel good to type a bunch of words.

>>7596
>Or supported Mondo.

So I'm sure nothing was really meant by this, but this has also triggered my desire to type things.  We've been here for about a decade now, and I've been a mod the whole time.  And while sometimes I'm the one who ended up doing a lot of the heavy lifting (as much as website moderation has any heavy lifting), it's not really due to a lack of support.  Most of it is just that as a real life janitor I take a lot of pride in presenting an attractive space, so I'm willing to leverage my excessive free time and terminally online lifestyle to respond to things nearly immediately.  If it evers looks like I'm doing a majority of the work on my own, it's only because I'm racing to make it that way on purpose so that the other mods don't need to do anything.  And even then, I definitely still can't cover everything on my own, I do have to sleep and work at least a little bit, and the other mods are usually there to hit anything that happens when I've passed out from narcolepsy.

If there's ever a situation where things simply aren't being taken care of, well, there's only like three of us, and I do apologize for the lack of coordination.  It's bizarre that a site this size requires such constant vigilance to begin with, but for whatever reason some of our ex-users enjoying challenging us to stay awake.  I wish there was more to be done about it, but it turns out there's a whole lot of social/technical hurdles in the way and no easy solution.

Anyway, for now we're definitely all here and keeping watch.  I just don't want there to be any indication that I'm somehow alone in this.

>>7598
>Good to hear we've had a positive impact on the world
I'm not really sure it's a good thing. But I suppose so. It did help me later in life, when it became more apparent the things I value don't matter at all to most in such positions.

>vague rules
It's not about rules being vague, either. It's that straight up, the rules don't matter much of the time. You can be fine one day, and banned the next, without ever actually breaking anything, and for behavior outright okayed by the last guy.

What I'm getting at is, more, I've realized with most places like this that's the norm. That moderation isn't fair. Fairness isn't even a value held by moderation, typically. Justice is utterly irrelevant, and really, all you're ever going to get by pointing out shitty mistreatment is the ire of everyone else who sees you create the fuss.

>We've lost so many people over the year
And I think a significant part of that, which you don't seem to realize, is that inconsistent moderation is what drove of many users.
It certainly lead for myself having a bitter view to the lot. And I know I'm not the only one.

I don't know that solid structure would necessarily fix it. But, I know it's something that, when it actually happens to them, it turns pretty quickly to a lasting scar to the lot.
It's definitely the type of thing that keeps people away.

Hell, is the main reason that I tend to prefer stirring shit up or otherwise poking on sorespots. There's a lasting bitterness I've still got to the place that keeps me from ever actually joining in significantly, and leaves a level of schadenfreude or such. More something like when you see a prediction of misfortune to one who snubbed you for it come to pass, perhaps. Not quite so malicious, as much as, maybe, vindictive.

> Not sure that the text wall does anyone else any good, but it makes me feel good to type a bunch of words
Eh, I know the vibe. I tend to do much the same.

Besides Nonny, did anyone actually get banned over the last year?

I can't imagine lots of people getting banned on here.