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I am not allowed to post a goddam Ya-Hoo when the electorate replaces a raving madman with a human being?
It is NOT /pol/ to say i am fucking grateful that decendants of slaves love this country enough to stand up for their rights. And mine.
A discussion can take a little Cubans-voted-against-socialism razzing from Boat, who wasn't wrong: its important to understand the difference between socialism and totalitarianism, by stating an example how victims vote for their own oppression because of a misapplied label.
Pretty sure slapping down multiple threads celebrating democracy constitutes egregious lack of free speech. Which is the opposite of what this Moony-owned site is about.
We're not enemies here. Lets stop treating us like we can't act like it, shall we, Big Brother?
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I demand a ruling from a mod NOT !!Luna. Preferrably Moony.
I broke no rules. You are outrageously over the line and you will STOP NOW little sister.
Saying my topic violates "political" rules here is like saying that since solar power was an election issue then we can't post the Sun anymore. It makes no sense.
We have a new President. I have a right to discuss that with my friends here without the alt-right abusing mod privileges to defend their failed candidate.
Thank you. There is no hurry.
Thinking about it, i am very sorry for my tone towards you. It was unfair.
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There is celebration, lp, and there are threads in which celebration is occurring, i think, on pony.
i offered to sticky a political thread, and the overwhelming consensus was no.
Ponyville decides for itself, and the decision it made in the past, and continues to make is that there is no place for politics on /pony/
Politics, not just in the overt discussion of such, but in the baiting, unintentionally or otherwise, of said politics.
We have... users whose political views may not coincide with everyone else's views on the site, and they can, perhaps rightfully, be a bit touchy, being a minority perspective and all here.
Regardless of your feelings of President Trump, or your political stance, the tone of your thread was going to cause some political fighting, lp.
And that conflict is what the rules, as dictated by the users, are trying to avoid.
Be happy, and express that happiness. But keep in mind what your posts will bring forth, too.
That the very first response to your thread was a highly charged political comment is indicative of the thread's direction: a highly toxic thread. We have locked, over the course of the past year, many a thread of this nature and users tend to think we are too lenient with politics, as opposed to being too strict.
i apologize if my thoughts seem scattered; i am tired.
To be clear, lp, it is not a matter of blame: we gave the thread the benefit of the doubt, but it immediately went political, and so the thread was locked. And the user's mandate, to us, is that they really, really don't want to see politics...
i think, in that regard, luna's choice was the safest.
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Would Trump have won and someone posted a meme on /pony/ saying "Liberals BTFO lol"
would you have honestly stood by that?
It would have been bait with tons of reports and people getting banned on BOTH sides of the fence.
Also, if you feel like actual partying, take your mask and keep your distance.
You don't want your neighbourhood to be eaten by Covid like we are.
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This is what you believe, of course, but i am sure those of your political opposition would argue otherwise.
And there is a lot to argue about, i am sure.
But not on /pony/, and not here. Townhall is where that belongs, by design, and by user mandate.
These aren't "political" disagreements, though. A political disagreement would be something like whether or not taxes should be raised for the wealthy. I'm talking about the people who's views go against the site's purported values. This site is pro-LGBT, yet it's going out of it's way to cater to people who want to limit LGBT people's rights. This site is pro-inclusivity, yet it's going out of it's way to cater to people who are bigoted.
If the site wants to keep out political discussions, that's fine. But it should be able to agree on what is and isn't a virtue it wants to hold. Is it for inclusivity? Then it should reject racism and bigotry and those who promote it.
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our staff does not have the resources nor the motivation to be thought police, manley
you may be willing to call someone of a different political background bigoted through pure assumption, but i am not, nor do i feel this is productive
JUST. BAN. HIM.
It is crystal clear Manley won't change. He has been like this forever, and he won't change. You can nag him, you can warn him, but he will not budge or change his attitude. Manley is the one thing that needs to leave this place, as he simply does not work.
Isn't he the one user you have to constantly monitor all of the time? Why continue bothering with him? Stop giving him any more chances and ban him permanently. Stop bothering and do something about it.
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I want to respond to this before i read it too close or think too much.
My position is that the election is a current event and that Manley's thread was wholesome.
That my own was inflammatory was my own rotten thinking and my apology to Manley for shitting on his cause where i meant to support it.
I fucking suck. I know damn well that hurtful accusation was unfair to Addy personally and it was a shameful rules violation.
Moons, its the reality i found here that let me see everything that happened in this election without being shocked that so many people here really dont follow the melting-pot bleeding-heart lies i believed since i cant remember. I owe this site a debt of gratitude for that even though i have never been very gracious about it.
There is no excuse for my conduct. I should be sanctioned but a genuinely constructive unifying thread about current events like Manleys should not be preemptively struck down before at least those of us who cant keep our cool at least get a chance to behave ourselves first.
At any rate im real sorry to !!Luna who did not deserve that. And Manley and you, Moons. I dunno why i didnt notice i was being such a dick. Im really bent up over the reality check im living the last couple decades and i dunno wtf anymore if i ever did. I guess please everyone get a chance to respind then lock this debacle if that sounds ok.
Whoever you are get your own thread you jerk.
Ban Manley and you rid Ponyville as
well from someone who brings decent content and fruitful discussions outside of politics.
unless there's an immediate reason, there's an immediate reason, this would be waaaaaay more harmful than biting through the occasional pointless arguments here.
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>>6911>We have... users whose political views may not coincide with everyone else's views on the site
I'm honestly not even sure this is true, but I'd agree with Moony on this one regardless. Even if no one disagreed, that wouldn't change.
You don't need to be a mind-reader to know that Trump is a racist and a bigot and that therefore, those who support Trump tacitly support those things. The site should not be going out of it's way to cater to people who support racism or bigotry.>>6918
For... what exactly? Not liking racism? What exactly are you expecting me to "change"?>>6920
I haven't posted on this board in months, and I haven't brought politics up on /pony/ in longer. I just don't think people should be disallowed from celebrating something that actually affects their lives and the lives of their loved ones in order to cater to people who support bigotry.
>>6901>We're not enemies here. Lets stop treating us like we can't act like it
I seem to remember not too long ago you and Manley calling for those posters that were politically different than you to be removed from the site.>>6905
Nah my fee-fees are good. I just care about the rules, and the rules state that if you and lp want to jerk yourselves off you're supposed to do it on /townhall/ because that's what the board is for.
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>>6925>Nah my fee-fees are good.
Are you sure about that, because you seem upset. >the rules state that if you and lp want to jerk yourselves off..
Wait, are we jerking ourselves or jerking each other, because that's an important distinction. >you and Manley calling for those posters that were politically different than you to be removed from the site.
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Guys please keep it civil. No need to toss around quips..
I never said Joe Biden was perfect, or that he's never said anything racially problematic. He's an old white man in his 70s. Attitudes change over time as do people.
But to claim that Biden's past mistakes are equivalent to Trump's consistent and recent history of racism and race-baiting indicates to me that either you do not understand the severity and extent of Trump's racism or you are fucking with me. No politician is perfect, but make no mistake. Black people can tell the difference and that is why they voted overwhelmingly for Biden over Trump.(Starlight gave a thread warning. You've been banned for starting political fights and not being able to stop when warned, in the past. 48 hour ban issued for Canterlot only. - M )
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...there is no need for sanction, or fear, lp.
we lived in emotionally charged times... i don't want to be hitting anyone over the head right now
it does seem like you thought about the situation, which i admire, and respect>>6922
Such black and white thinking and absolutism do not suit you well, Manley. The world is of shades and nuance, and we must not give into extremist, reductionist thinking like this, or we risk doing more harm than good >>6929
thank you, mikie.
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I don't deny that Trump is significantly worse than Biden in regards to inflaming racial tensions. But just as you forgive Biden's minor imperfections in regards to racial things, others may forgive Trump's more severe imperfections. There are other things at stake in the election besides racial issues, and some people may think that Trump is better in regards to those issues and they may weigh the issues in such a way that Trump overall looks better than his opponent. (For the record, I voted for Biden in this election, but it was a difficult decision, and I was undecided until the very end of October.)
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/townhall/, Chain, please.
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...it seems to me as well, our no-politics stance is untenable, or at least, not functioning well, since politics keep seeping into places where it doesn't belong
Maybe a new poll is in order, and the userbase can decide for itself how strongly they want the rules to be applied?
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Politically charged posting might be dying off soon, now that election season is basically over. The problem may solve itself in the next couple of weeks.
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>>6924>So it is not really fair to accuse all Trump voters of supporting racism
Since the ACA's mandate was stricken im not sure what other reason a Trump voter would have. To be quite inflammatory about it. Do you know any other reason? Thats rhetorical tho, this thread is over.>>6925>lp calling to ban
That hurts. I remember calling to ban Manley or whoever the fuck i was on about. But if you're sure i did that, i dunno maybe i did. Ive done worse. Dont be like me. Ive always respected you and you've been kind to me even when its clear you dont agree with me.>>6928
Just the word "jungle" sounds like a sex party. Why dint i get an invite. Oh yeah, incompetent/unqualified. Nvm.>>6931>>6922>I just don't think people should be disallowed from celebrating something that actually affects their lives and the lives of their loved ones
Moons this says it better than i can. If Manley is silenced for 2 days from this board then please lock my thread while it still looks like everyone is really trying to get along here. I shouldnt have posted it. Please lock. >>6934
My feeling on this is that a poll might be too much democracy right now. I trust you to figure out a balance between current events and gridlock. If you can do that without a referendum, its up to you whether thats best. Love you, Moons. Thx for this site.
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>>6937> Please lock.
Consider it done.