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Hello everypony! Thank you all for your attention. Your Ponyville staff has been hard at work thinking up ideas on how to improve the site after considering your feedback, both in individual discussions, and through our recently posted poll.

We'd like to share an initial set of suggested changes for your consideration! Please take a look below:

-Start-
Ponyville Administrative Consistency and Transparency Act
I. The Rules Board

A new board will be created that is not open to public posting. It shall contain the Rules, mirrored from the frontpage, but contain previous site mandates and policy changes as well, such that a clear record can be easily accessed and reviewed by the userbase.

This shall also allow the staff to build a history of decisions to base new decisions on, and allow the userbase to see the consistency in the staff's actions from a much clearer perspective.

II. The Moderator's Hoofbook

We are working on a comprehensive Moderator's Hoofbook that outlines all the duties and responsibilities of a Ponyville moderator. This Hoofbook will go over our enforcement policies, our typical means of response, and give a transparent look at how we go about handling reports, issuing warnings, and interacting with the community.

It is my hope that by making this resource available to the public, you will be able to see just what the thought process is behind our decision-making, but also know that we are being held accountable to a consistent standard.

The Hoofbook is a work in progress at this time. You can observe the current progress of the Hoofbook, give your feedback, and watch its progress, here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/16JC305hFhpl6hepFw69fhDW17LP8p366DYxH9bO6tp0/edit?usp=sharing

III. The SFW Switch

Our esteemed Administrator Developer, !!Thorax, has proposed what we feel is a useful tool for both users who prefer slightly more raunchy content and those who do not. The SFW switch works thusly: First, a user who wants to post something slightly raunchy, perhaps content that is not quite at the level of breaking the rules but might be on the line, simply clicks a little box as they post their image that says (NSFW)

Upon posting this post, everything functions as normal: there is no big SPOILER cover that comes up, nothing like that. However - if a user elects to go to their options and flick the SFW switch, posts that have been tagged with the NSFW tag will disappear.

This system puts the onus on both parties, both those who prefer more adult content, and those who prefer less adult content, to put in to the effort to adjusting the site to their tastes.

The UI design for this switch has not been finalized yet, but !!Thorax has confirmed that this SFW switch is very possible to do.

IV. Revisions to Penalty Policy

Ponyville's policy has always been lenience, and it shall remain this way. It has been made clear to us, however, that the current system of warnings, forgiveness, bans, and guidance is a perplexing system that remains inscrutable to the userbase. Frankly, it hasn't been very clear to the staff, either. This creates the appearance of favoritism for some users that can seem, and even sometimes be, very unfair.

As such, this proposed revision to the Penalty Policy has strict guidelines:

Behavioral Rules shall be sorted into three tiers of enforcement

First Degree: the most serious offenses, including malicious spamming, raiding, doxxing, malicious impersonation or sockpuppeting, illegal behavior, will be met with a ban for the first offense. Users with no notable history with the site may be met with a permaban immediately, depending on the circumstances (i.e., live raid).

Second Degree: lesser offenses that shall be met with a warning, followed by a ban if, 1. the behavior immediately continues within a reasonable time after the warning [i.e., warning must be seen], or; 2. if the behavior stops, but has a second occurrence within the time span of a week.

2nd Degree offenses include incredibly offensive speech, sh*tposting, and extreme hostility in conduct, baiting or goading users into conflict

Third Degree: least serious offenses, including rude statements, thread derailing against OP's wishes, advertising without staff permission, and disrespectful conduct shall be met with multiple warnings, and shall be escalated only to bans if the behavior immediately continues again, or if the behavior occurs multiple times from the same user over a reasonable period of time, or if the behavior causes enough disturbance on the site to warrant substantial staff attention (i.e., more than once a week).

As more rules are added, considered, and discussed, they shall be organized into the degree system as is necessary.

V. Order of Bans

Excluding First Degree rule violations, bans shall generally escalate in this order. If a ban is given that does not escalate in this order, again excluding First Degree rule violations, that ban must be thoroughly explained by the issuing staff member such that the public can understand that reasoning.

1st Ban: 2 Hours - 4 Hours
2nd Ban: 1 Day - 3 Days
3rd Ban: 1 Week - 2 Weeks
4th Ban: 1 Month - 1 Year, or Permaban, depending on circumstances and potential discussion with user
5th Ban: 6 Months - 1 Year, or Permaban

VI. Report Escalation and Increase Scrutiny

A major issue the staff has had concerning political drama or threads full of user insults is that the staff does not tend to receive reports concerning these issues until the dispute or drama is already well underway. To incentivize reporting, and encourage reporting sooner rather than later, a system of report escalation and increased scrutiny shall be implemented.

The increase scrutiny standard shall be taken and modified from the 3P1 Political Drama policy currently found on /arch/ - if you report, the post you reported shall be weighed more heavily against that poster than if a staff member had stumbled upon that offending post on his or her own.

VII. The Revised Rules of Behavioral Conduct

[Third Degree]
Rule 1. Please keep posts generally respectful towards others;
Rule 2. Do not post in a thread for the purpose of being rude or inciting trouble;
Rule 3. Do not derail a thread intentionally. Please generally be respectful to the current topic and atmosphere of the thread. If an OP asks you to stop derailing, please do so;
Rule 4. Please do not engage in advertising or promotion of any kind without first contacting site administration. Pony fanart, stories, music are generally acceptable.

[Second Degree]
Rule 5. Please do not act with extreme hostility towards any user, this includes all manner of insults, threats, and name-calling;
Rule 6. Do not bait or goad another user into engaging in rule-breaking content. In the event of such an occurrence, both the baiting user and baited user shall be found in violation of this rule. The baited user has a responsibility to not rise to the bait, as well;
Rule 7. Do not post content of an aggressively, ironically, or trollishly poor quality, designed to derail discussions, or otherwise make the site unusable or intolerable to our regular community;
Rule 8. Do not post threads or posts that are deliberate provocations to certain users, or deliberate provocations concerning the topics of Race, Religion, Nationality, Political Opinion, or Membership of a Particular Social Group;  

[First Degree]
Rule 9. Malicious spamming or raiding, on and off site, are disallowed. Do not encourage spamming or raiding any other community;
Rule 10. "Doxxing" and sharing of others' personal information against their will is disallowed;
Rule 11. All content that is illegal under the law of the United States is expressly and absolutely prohibited on Ponyville.us;
Rule 12. Malicious impersonation, or sockpuppeting, is strictly disallowed, i.e., pretending to be another user to manipulate a discussion or hurt their credibility.

Why are these organized backwards, from Third to First Degree? The First Degree rules are something that any community would do. The Third Degree rules, however, highlight the character of Ponyville as a website, and as such should be placed first in order to convey that sense of impact and importance, even if their degree of punishment might be lesser.

Why not ban evading? Ban evading is either done by accident, or on purpose. If it is done by accident, a permaban to follow seems unduly harsh. If it is done on purpose, a permaban to follow is useless. The staff will use better tactics in both situation than to just follow up with a permaban.

VIII. The Revised Rules of Adult Content

Rule 1. Posting risque and suggestive content is permitted in moderation;
Rule 2. Please do not post content depicting anatomic genitalia, either real or imaginary, gore, extreme violence;

Rule 3. Content that concerns sexual fixations that differ from those typical to the general populace and is also offensively obscene to the reasonable person is disallowed;

Rule 4. Posting of sexually charged content, designed for and appealing to a predominantly sexual interest, that involves people or imaginary characters under the age of 17, or assumed to be under that age by a reasonable person, is prohibited.

RULE SUMMARY: Sexy things fine. Underage sexy things, not fine. Fetish stuff, not fine if gross to non-fetish having person. If SFW switch system adopted, much more leeway.

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Thank you all for taking the time to read this. After one week's time, at this time next Sunday, we shall be holding a community vote for another period of a week, in which we shall choose whether or not to ratify these propositions: each one will be independently voted on.

Some of the propositions maybe minced into sub-propositions to be voted on, or substantially revised, pending community joint discussion, and the incoming poll results.

The community poll can be found here:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdmf0EefVyOtfeMz5lcRO2dNxlKLemym-PExdk8wlmXfyjj3A/viewform?usp=sf_link

Results will be posted on Wednesday of this coming week.


Please let us know what you think of these proposed changes, in the thread below!
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 No.2394

>>2392
We should add a good/evil option to posting.
"Here small child, have all my clothing and money" and "CHILD, GIVE ME YOUR FLESH MEATS", respectively.

 No.2395

>>2392
Now it does sound interesting for Thorax Thorax to develop a feature where you can select a mood from a dropbox and Ponyville procedurally generates a post for you.

 No.2396

>>2395
I would post a lot more if I didn't actually have to post a post that I also had to think up and write down. :fluf3:

Thinking is hard....:fluf2:

 No.2397

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>>2396
>thinking is hard

a lost pony hasn't tried this "thinking" of which you speak.  does it hurt?

 No.2398

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Also, Aryanne is not a Nazi...

Just ask a lost pony
She may be your Nazi, but she's my non-Nazi

 No.2399

>>2383
I think it should be something baked into the rules from the start, Moony. There may not be a need for it immediately, but it shouldn't be something that should be tackled when it first comes up. Because assumedly, the only time it will come up is if someone HAS been good for a long time and then (accidentally or otherwise) re-offends. At that point, they will be working against the harsh punishment the rules say they get, and may have a harder time appealing.

It should be tackled before anyone is put in that position. I like the idea of the reset period being the same length of time as the last ban. But only if there's a statute of limitations put on it. So that say, one person could not keep re-offending every other week with week-long bans.

 No.2400

>>2399
What you area describing is ex post facto.

No, it's not fair to judge people after they've offended by applying new policy that is decided after the offense.  This I believe is why Moons is proposing wiping the slate clean for those of us who have "pre-existing" bans, so we begin fresh.

As to the reset period, you do point out where a bottom limit should be longer while the never-expires is a limit that is too high.

tbc my word salad intends to say, good points mr. manley.

 No.2401

>>2397
Very much.:fluf2:
Avoid it if you can.

 No.2402

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>>2398
She has a swastika on her butt...

 No.2403

>>2402
Why are you looking at her butt..?
That's lewd...

 No.2404

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 No.2405

>>2404
Watch the dang movie if you're gonna try and tease me with that picture.

>>2403
How could you not? It's the part of the picture closest to the screen. In either case, it's dumb to day the pony isn't a Nazi when it's got a swastika cutie mark and was created by a place known for having a large number of nazis. But we are supposed to be talking about the new rules, not racist memes.

 No.2406

>>2405
I guess all those Bhudists are all Nazis too

 No.2407

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>>2406
Not a swastika. Those are manji and manji are a mirrored image compared to what we know as a swastika. But don't try to start arguments with me if you've gone on record as not being willing to listen to me no matter what I say.

 No.2408

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>>2406
>>2407

You two really need to stop talking to each other if it's just gonna result in fighting every time.

 No.2409

>>2408
I didn't talk to him. He chose to start an argument with me knowing he will not listen to my side. Hence why I saved that picture and named it such. To remind me that he will only do just that.

 No.2410

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>>2407
I'm not willing to listen to you because you don't ever return the favor, and instead pull some holier-than-thou nonsense, labeling people falsely as bigots and racists and what-have-you, and of course with massive indignation if anyone does the same to you.

But this lot here is mostly just a meme, anyway.

 No.2411

>>2409
Didn't even start an argument, mate. You're very touchy

 No.2412

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>>2407
Come to think of it, you're using that post in the wrong context, anyway. It was specially about your assumptions of character, not any logically built argumentation.
It was specifically in response to your post >>823550 in which you accused me of "ad hominem".

Ironically, your use of this here is effectively the same thing. You're dismissing someone's argument because they do not care for your constant slandering and hostile assumptions.

In that context, I completely stand by it. What you think is not representative of reality, so I do not care for it.

 No.2413

>>2412
I'm dismissing your argument because you've made it clear you will not listen to an response from me, no matter what is said. And I will do so any other time you try to start an argument like you did it in >>2406. (incorrectly) Countering something I said is grounds for trying to start an argument, no matter how much you try and rationalize it. Also posts like >>2410
accusing me of false things are grounds for harassment. I'll be reporting any future posts of that nature. Final statement on the matter. Drop it.

 No.2414

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>>2413
>>2412
Hey, you folks were asked informally to stop, though not very directly.

Please consider this though, a formal warning: this is not the thread or the place for this, and if you continue, we'll have to take administrative action.

 No.2415

>>2414
My apologies. I had just figured I'd post a bit of a meme, and apparently there was some exception taken to that.

 No.2416

>>2414
Although this does hold the benefit of raising an issue I wanted to bring that for a while. This site is in dire need of a filter system. If we are doing some sort of fancy NSFW filter, then it shouldn't be too difficult to work. Especially considering the groundwork has already been laid it on numerous other sites.

I filter system would stop these types of issues.

 No.2417

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>>2416
>>2415
filtering is a dangerous road to go down, but it's something the community has discussed from time to time.

after this initiative, i think we might also do a poll and have a conversation about that too. thank you for raising that, noonim.

 No.2418

>>2417
I can certainly understand the reasons why it is typically opposed. It further encourages self-segregation, and more cliques to the typical larger community. It is something that, hopefully, would have to be used in moderation by the community itself. Only for specifically avoiding posters who bring up problems which end up too disruptive to just simply leave be.

 No.2419

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>>2405
Gosh if i watch the movie i'll just have more ammo for mouse-teasing you.

Is it a good movie?  Heres some saucy rarity, everypony likes that.

Um tho as to Aryane, regardless of the orientation of the symbol and how much i love the aesthetic quality of that particular plush especially that hat omigosh, 1) googling her shows things like her symbol means "hate in your heart" and such, and 2) she is wearing a very snappy and beautifully made uniform which is unfortunately clearly not in keeping with the buddhist symbol.

Omigosh i want that wonderful plush but im afraid she's symbolically not in keeping with the old rules which are currently in effect? nor is her symbolic meaning consistent with pony as i see it.

I think its probably ironic? But damn she's always drawn so pretty and that plush is so wonderful.  Aesthetically, not symbolicly.

If i got that thing i'd have to hide ot from my jewish gf for sure.

Next time manley i'm posting more sexy mice.

 No.2420

>>2419
These things usually are done ironically. However, the issue is, of course, some people do take it seriously. And, even the edgelord types are mostly doing it for the reaction.

 No.2421

>>2419
But I hate Rarity. And yeah, I like the movie. There's really only one sexy mouse in it, so it wouldn't give you anything you don't already have.

Ok, you lost me on most of that. Let's go back to talking about the reset period for bans.

 No.2422

>>2402
>She has a swastika on her butt
Well, the butt is where literal shit comes from, so it may be a symbolic representation that Nazis are figuratively shit.  But I suppose the armband contraindicates this hypothesis.

 No.2423

>>2422
In all honesty, I'm not the type of person who would say that nazis can never be joked about, and I have heard the argument that mockery of the nazis and the nazi party can be a form of satire that serves to make them and their ideology less credible.

But this pony doesn't seem to be that. There's nothing about the pony that says that nazis or their ideology are deserving of mockery or that she is bad for being one. It's not making a statement against it. If anything, it only serves to give historical monsters a cute mascot they can use, which is something I am against.

 No.2424

>>2423
It is just edgy shitposting, for the most part. Though, that's quite a bit different from a joke, even so.

 No.2425

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>>2424
Your criticisms are as valuable as my septic tank, Noonim

 No.2426

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>>2424
WHyyyyy Noonim?

 No.2427

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>>2425
A septic tank is quite valuable, especially when you consider where all of your shit'd end up being without it. So, thanks!

 No.2428

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>>2427
^I can't even make a single post about my beloved Aryanne.

 No.2429

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>>2428
For what it's worth, I feel for you. She's probably not a 'hate symbol'. Just edgy trash.

Griffons > ponies, anyway.

 No.2430

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>>2429
Maybe you could make a site called Griffonville.us

 No.2431

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>>2430
Maybe! I've thought about it before. But, I'm no coder.

 No.2432

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>>2431
How inconsiderate of me...

my apologies

 No.2433

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>>2428
But you did right here:
>>2398


She is a fine pony.  Why not start a thread about her?


I wonder if i should start mouseville.us.  i need more mice.

 No.2434

>>2433
That is a pretty slick plush. Certainly see why you liked it.

 No.2435

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hi folks! just a quick update: i will be opening the PACTA for a vote starting maybe late tonight or early tomorrow.

The poll results will also be released at that time, with some very simple conclusions drawn from the results.

Life is very busy, so thanks for your patience!!  

 No.2436

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>>2133
>Rule 3. Content that concerns sexual fixations that differ from those typical to the general populace and is also offensively obscene to the reasonable person is disallowed;
Does that imply that content that is offensively obscene to the reasonable person is allowed as long it doesn't concern sexual fixations that differ from those typical to the general populace?

 No.2437

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>>2436
I find that particular wording to be most concerning as it implies a strong bias against things more "fringe" vs mainstream.

 No.2438

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>>2437
> it implies a strong bias against things more "fringe" vs mainstream.
There certainly is against certain non-mainstream things, e.g., lolicon stuff.  That's not necessarily a bad thing.

 No.2439

>>2438
I think by definition it does.

There are things that are bad for a reason.  Then there are things that are not bad for a reason, but are less common.  Under the guideline, those less common things become as bad as those things that are bad for a reason.

For example, are we equating transgenderism with pedophilia?

A strict reading of this could create that which invokes absurdity, therefore the wording is fatally flawed as a standard.

 No.2440

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>>2439
well, people can take anything to extreme, absurd conclusions if they really want to do it, it doesn't really matter what the writing is unless it's so explicit and minute that it defeats the purpose of having an easily defined set of rules to refer to.

Remember, guys, we're not just talking about randos deciding the fates of people on the site. Who cares how many times something gets reported for an absurd reason when we have mods who can determine what is absurd and what isn't.

Even if someone comes in and tries to argue the absurd logical extents of any sub-par rule wordings, the mods we have won't take their arguments worth shit because they'll know it's absurd to extrapolate these things.

Sure these things could be argued, but we have nobody here on staff that would take them seriously past an explanatory debate level.

Anyways, if someone who would take these things to absurd logical extremes has somehow wormed their way into the mod staff, it doesn't matter how well worded our rules are: We're already fucked.

 No.2441

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>>2440
in short;There's nothing to really worry about here. Even the strictest of our mods won't take absurd claims to be anything more than that.

 No.2442

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>>2440
>>2441

In which case then why do we need to implement a new rule set filled with such complexity that can be misconstrued, and mandatory sentencing guidelines that can so easily create unintentional injustice?

Perhaps the rules are fine as they stand, but with the addition of the "transparency board" that will allow the staff consensus that clarify ambiguities as they are found and posters to easily reference those clarifications.

The Framers understood the need to keep the founding document simple and have the judiciary clarify along the way, in a comprehensive adaptive way and the result has been the longest-running successful constitutional democracy in recorded history.

>>2133
Moonses i love you dearly and i know you have invested unfathonable effort into this endeavor.  However i think attempting to refine perfection from a statutory perspective isn't going to work as you envision.  There are too many dangerous pitfalls introduced in your new rule set, no matter how you have agonized over it.

As they stand, a lost pony is forced to vote against implementation of the new rules, and asks everypony to carefully consider voting against as well.

 No.2443

>>2441
I'll just copy-paste something i said elsewhere;
"
My problem isn't them not enforcing the letter of the law, that's actually in a lot of ways my fear. There's one thing that gives me trouble, it's vague and up to interpretation rules. Rules that require a lot of personal judgement make it very hard to predict, and it is very easy to accidentally break those rules."


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