/pony/ - Pony

I'd be fine with just 80 grand a year. You know, just maxing out a Roth IRA with an index fund averaging an annualized historical return of 10 percent and I'm set. Though I'm taking higher risks these days and I won't go into the details.

>>1166296
that is a surprisingly reasonable amount! i like that approach too... it is a good way for a stable future.

it is a mindset i felt i once had, but lost somewhere along the way. i feel it is admirable.

enough to live off of just doing what i love and having a roof over my head and the amenities i need to do it

i wouldn't say no to being rich, but i just want to be in the world and career i feel i can thrive in, instead of living the slow death in a small town seperate from where i would thrive

something betwenn 3,50 and 42

For me, making enough money to not have to worry about paying rent, paying the bills and affording groceries is fine enough for me.

Perhaps keep a bit on the side in case something happens.

150,000 probably?

But like most people say, enough money to pay for everything that needs to be paid for, and then some left over for fun stuff and giving to friends/people that might need it.

I can live off of anything, really. I think most people can.

As for how much is "enough"? I don't think there's an upper limit for me personally. I am one of those people who will grow emotionally unstable with enough means, because when you get down to it coal can be turned into heat, heat can be turned into pressure, pressure can be turned into work, work can be turned into labor, and labor can be turned into coal. It's an ouroboros that can consume you if you're prone to following the lines of text with your fingers.

So to violate the spirit and letter of the question in every way, my answer is everything and nothing. I'll take the world if you're offering it, but I'd be just as happy with a cup of tea.

Enough for things like ripping a pair of pants or finding a hole in my shoes not being equal to two days of frustration and panic.

Enough that surprise bills won't make me think I might not be able to eat for a week.

Enough for an occasional vacation to not be an unachievable pipe dream on the level of "buying a house".

Enough that, occasionally, *I* can be the one treating someone to something or pay for my own fucking meal at a restaurant and not constantly feel like some kind of leech everyone else had to cover and practically feel sorry for

But all of that would require me having any employable skills, living somewhere else, not being too much of a fucking wreck to be worth anything to anyone with any employment power and actually knowing people, so none of that is happening

>>1166293
Considering how expensive it's been getting in CA, I think somewhere between 150K a year to 250K would be probably my upper limit of "ideal" unless inflattion keeps going up. Any more than that and I don't think I would like the type of lifestyle that would attract, honestly...

I could invest in property with that and still have enough left over to help out the people I care about and make sure they're taken care of. When I went looking for a permanent career I was actually aiming to make somewhere between 50k and 80k a year. Still a loose goal, but I'm usually more interested in being satisfied in the moment without losing track of the future, if that makes sense?

>>1166312
How dare you make such sense!

Well, I would say I have enough, but if you want a number that's about $15k annually, rounded up a bit from what I actually make just in case.

I have a very low maintenance lifestyle, so even on poverty wages I have pretty much everything I need for comfort and security. That said, if I were to suddenly lose my savings to injury or lawsuit or something, I'd be in for a hard time for sure!

Whatever sustains my family and bakery.
I don't want a lot, sure nice toys are fun but I can make do with a crappy oven and an induction hob so long as the bills are paid and everyone has a full tummy.

I earn Only 27K last year (I’ve worked at a Taco Bell for almost 10 years).
But what is enough depends on person. If rap music taught me anything, it’s that “Mo’ money, mo’ problems”. The more stuff you have, the more you have to work to upkeep and protect them.

And I know Moony would give up everything to live in a cozy cottage in the wilderness where it’s always winter.

>>1166326
>give up everything to live in a cozy cottage in the wilderness where it’s always winter.
Heh, that sounds very nice now that I think about it. My version of escape would be like that map in Garry's Mod called gm_SnowyHut. Oh what could've been. Now I have lots of obligations.

to much is like every other weekend ovetime..

I hate money with a passion and resent having to work to make a rich stranger richer just to exist, especially with my preexisting medical conditions and subsequent needs adding to the power money has to constrain my freedom ... and it's especially enraging considering that my medical conditions didn't used to be so expensive and need not be but I live in and was born into a greedy culture that seems unwilling, if not somehow outright terrified, to properly regulate a market characterized by inelastic demand.

I've always hated money, not because I have some disgust for having to earn things, but the fact that getting money isn't simply a matter of effort, but a matter of how others value your effort. No unit of currency you've earned from hard work was earned without someone, either someone you directly interact with or someone at the top of some hierarchical chain of a business or financial institution, decided you earned, and nothing forces them to be fair or just about it, especially the more of it they control. I hate how there is no fixed rate of exchange for effort and that if your efforts pay off it's ultimately dependent on the market, which is the product of what others value, meaning that no matter who you are, you are a slave to how others value you and your existence and none of that has to be dependent on your effort alone. I hate feeling enslaved by the forces of supply and demand, it makes the tyranny of the majority feel inescapable.

I also hate money because of how all this so significantly traumatized my family and myself as a child when my parents would start having financial issues, which would lead to arguments, which would lead to fights, which could lead to violence. And I know my experiences are hardly unique in that regard. I have a lot of memories of witnessing those same arguments being had by friends parents and witnessing friends traumatized by it and seeking me as someone

I hate how much this culture of greed I've been born into. A culture that has claimed to follow a meek man who once said that it's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter heaven, a man who never showed violence towards anyone or anything except money changers in a temple, and go out of their way to reason away all that in order to justify their money and success in pursuing more of it as a sign of their virtue and favor with that same otherwise meek man attacking the greed when he saw it.

So it's hard for me to answer "how much is enough?" when I would so very much rather have nothing to do with it at all if I even had the freedom not to.  

There was any remarkabe (more than clergy sub-)culture claiming to be built around Jesus?
There was anyone except hardcore calvinists claiming richer = better human being?

175k USD gross household

Still impossible to own a home

I doesn't really matter what my parents have said or done, I suppose, at the end of the day, since I still love them (and feel a compelling ethical obligation to help them).

And it also doesn't really matter what my younger siblings have said or done, I suppose, at the end of the day, since I still love them (and feel a compelling ethical obligation to help them).

This sticks in my mind today in particular after spending sometime face-to-face with one of my younger brothers, who has a lot to... deal with...

So, well, the true answer to the question is that the amount of funds I'd like to have is infinite because I won't want to live to see any of my younger siblings go through any more serious medical trauma if I can help it. Or any other form of major suffering. If I can help it. If we can help it. And while I understand that death is as natural of a part of life as birth and other such things, so it's inherent destiny that I may very well live to see both of my parents die before my eyes, I simply can't deal with all that not just emotionally but also rationally and spiritually. I wish for them to free from suffering as much as possible.

So, yeah, I guess my answer is that I want infinite funds.

{To digress a tad: I'm personally venomously opposed to the systems of spiritual thinking that view pain, suffering, and death (particularly agony related to health problems that the innocent get out of nowhere) as inherently worthwhile and needing to exist so there's a ying-versus-yang balance kept in harmony with the opposing positive forces. This is false, I think. I would take in contrast the ethically idealist view of religion on suffering and humanity held by those such as Gandhi.

"The immediate service of all human beings becomes a necessary part of the endeavor simply because the only way to find God is to see Him in His creation and be one with it. This can only be done by service of all." - Gandhi, since negativity is the aberration while togetherness is the norm as all should be in spiritual peace}

>how much is enough?
What I have currently.

>how much would you earn?
What I have currently.

>how much would you like to have?
What I have currently.

>is there a number?
Yes.

Probs like... 200K. Still far away.

Main problem at the moment is property is bullshit compared to incomes.

At that point I think you would start to forget about money.

Hmm.... depends on what you mean by "enough". (all numbers are after taxes)

If I want to be totally comfortable on my own: $80k/yr assuming the US economy stays where it is.

If I want to be totally comfortable supporting a family (which I plan to do): $150k/yr.

If I want to support a family, and build the workshop/studio of my dreams, and do all the cool extra things I can imagine: $250k/yr.

Anything more than that feels like I would start running out of things to buy. Like... what do I get? A Fazioli grand piano? That's the most expensive thing I actually want besides a house. And once I have that... what then? I'll probably end up donating everything beyond that point after building a good investment.

Enough to handle crises as they come as my minimum.

Maximum is I'd want enough to self-fund a brutalist style home near the Yukon River with nice big concrete walls and a bunker system.

>>1166332
Well said.

>>1166441
With clips like that, I assume the woman isn't like taking it seriously.

>>1166293
3 bitcoin/year

>>1166473
Ah right, Bitcoin has really risen didn't it. While I have little investment in it myself, it really showed those other people that speculative investments can be profitable.