/pony/ - Pony

swimmy, please listen to iara, i do not know what is going on, but love requires us sometimes to reach an understanding together, through constructive communication.

It's useless to point to the man's awful beliefs, decisions, and ideas. You need to make clear that Musk is not a genius, and in fact isn't a very intelligent person at all.

There's no doing that. It's a cult. You've no doubt shown him what a moron the man is, but he doesn't want to see that, and since he doesn't want to see that he won't see it.

I tend to think Suomi is posting things for the meme, more than being very heavy into stuff and people.

I do wonder as well if I would think about people and things differently if I made different choices in life.

It gets even worse when you fall into the "redpill" mass and idolize people like or those redpill group of folks like Adin Ross, Sneako, Fousytube or Andrew Tate.

These guys are loathed on my corner of the internet, but are somehow crazy popular on their own platform.

>>1159503
>and why that person is nothing but the toxic outlet of disenchanted nerdy white guys.
it isn't necessary to fully endorse or fully denounce a person, you know

The less time interacting with Chain the better.

>>1159514
Of course I listen, but as an autist, I cannot help but follow Tarski's Litany. ( https://www.lesswrong.com/tag/litany-of-tarski )

>>1159516
What is your estimate of Elon's IQ?

>>1159518
Elon certainly has made lots of dumb mistakes (e.g., trying to rename Twitter "𝕏"), but he has also accomplished a lot.

>>1159519
Elon certainly is very memeable!

>>1159520
>Adin Ross, Sneako, Fousytube or Andrew Tate.
I only recognize one of those.  I guess I should count myself lucky in that regard.

>>1159524
Indeed!

>>1159548
What a question. His intelligence is certainly below average, I'd say. I don't know how that might correlate to IQ though.

>>1159548
>but he has also accomplished a lot.
Such as? You can accomplish a lot but still be a terrible person. Why do you need to talk about him constantly?
Also don't you date saying Community Notes were a good idea because it has been proven those can be misused as well:
https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/5080048
They removed it, but the people who scrolled by already absorbed those community tags as facts.
>>1159524
By the way he sees Elon, it seems like he were to fully endorse him.

I just wanna say that this is a VERY weird thread.

Why are we having an Elon Musk Fan intervention in the middle of /pony/????

>>1159564
I've seen weirder

>>1159567
I didn't say it was the weirdest thread ever.

>>1159569
we can go for it
believe in ur dreams

Elon Musk is trying to be both Steve Jobs and Jack Welch at the same time and succeeding much more at the latter than the former, but really only the former with the same kind of people who could be fooled by Steve Jobs.

Like a lot of big industry leaders around here in Silicon Valley (like, for example, Steve Jobs) he tries to equate being an investor with being a kind of inventor, taking credit for the innovations that the engineers themselves make and a lot of it works with those who don't understand how business works around here, or that tech companies even have two sides to them and two parallel cultures of those who do the actual work of engineering and those who make the big business decisions and they actually have little overlap. Musk is more in line with an American tradition of hype mem who blur fact and fiction like P.T. Barnum, Buffalo Bill Hicock and pretty much every pro-wrestling promoter. He appeals to the wishful thinking of his fans who want to believe he's a real life Tony Stark or some John Galt-esques hyper-individualist ubermench, you know, entirely fictional character archetypes that don't, and can't, really exist in real life.

Musk is like what a lot of tech companies in the dotcom boom were, chasing after the more obvious, shooting-fish-in-a-barrel applications that opening the internet to the public would bring, and hyping the shit out what they we're doing as more mind-blowingly revolutionary than it actually was, like online retail sites, which were little more than mail order catalogs that used websites instead of physical catalogs, it was blatantly obvious to most people that an online catalog system was a whole lot faster than traditional mail order catalogs so it was a no brainer. Musk first company was essentially just an online directory, the internet equivalent of a phone book of sorts, another no-brainer that he sold to Compaq for 12 million. Musk did not found PayPal nor was he an engineer for PayPal, his next company X.com, another no-brainer sort of service that offered the internet equivalent of a wire-transfer system (like western union) that could be used over email, just merged with them and he made a lot of money off his share in the newly merged companies but was otherwise ousted from it. He founded SpaceX which, again, was not really innovating rocket science, just privatizing production of space faring vehicles using long existing rocket science... and primarily contracting with the government, becoming like the Lockheed Martin or Boeing of space travel. More of a business innovation than an engineering one, and the actual engineering innovations at SpaceX are more about the manufacturing process than anything. He didn't found Tesla, Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning did, Musk was just the most significant investor in the company, having himself officially considered a cofounder in official company history. Since then, musk hasn't had a successful business venture that wasn't initially subsidized in some way by the government.

Meanwhile his other companies like the SolarCity/Tesla Energy are just mass producing already available technologies. Neuralink is actually recreating technologies developed 20 years ago (with much fewer dead primates), the Boring company and the hyperloop were essentially a distraction from a proposed light-rail system that was going to be built in California (threatening the automotive industry there) and never really had any intention of actually building the hyper-loop.

But of course, in carefully constructed media portrayals he is portrayed as some great inventor like Thomas Edison, like he invented the electric car (he definitely didn't) which was basically impossible (they'd been first invented over 100 years ago).

He's like a lot of techbro CEOs, he's just a hype man trying to tap into Steve Jobs reality distortion field that lead people to believe he invented the smartphone, despite the Apple keynote the year before the iPhone's launch where he constrasted the thing with existing smart phones, and yet his cultist still believe he invented Smartphones.

Gotta admit tho
none of us are even close to being the richest person in the world.

>>1159579
While I do realize he's quite a bit pretentious with his technological endeavors, I got to respect him as a savvy business person. Incredibly difficult for most of anyone to get more than 200 billion dollars in net worth regardless of one's morals or intelligence. Philip Mason goes quite a bit into detail of Musk's failings I've noticed. I don't like the man, but I don't hate him either. I suppose I'm neutral when I think about Elon.

>>1159582
Yeah this is the one thing I can't really criticize him for. He's definitely a good enough businessman and way good at marketing himself. A person who wasn't good at that stuff couldn't have people believing so strongly in him or have made it this far.

Though whether he's a good businessman in terms of actually knowing how to run a business is still debatable. He has SOME level of business acumen, at the very least. OR he just knows the right people. That's a skill in itself, though.

>>1159583
He is personal friends with the people who "won" the dot com bubble. Look at any of his endeavors and he has a dozen billionaire friends willing to dump the entire contents of the hedge funds they own into "buying" him victory in the free market.

>>1159582
>>1159583
Are either of you familiar with stock pumping? Ever heard of Theranos perhaps?

>>1159585
>Are either of you familiar with stock pumping?
Yes, which is why I hardly invest in penny stocks. Though I'm willing to make a profit if there are suckers investing that don't know when to pull out. Stocks with large market caps are hard to manipulate.
>Ever heard of Theranos perhaps?
Yeah. Philip Mason made a video on it. Except Elon knows what he's doing and will probably never go to prison, unlike Elizabeth Holmes.

>>1159586
That doesn't make him any less fraudulent. If you listen to Phil, then you know Holmes got off easy because she didn't actually sell her stock and take any of the fake 10 billion dollars she convinced people she was worth.

Elon had the same idea until buying Twitter forced him to sell a bunch of his own stock, something he swore to never do. If he were found guilty of pump and dump, he wouldn't have that defense to fall back on.

>>1159587
Here's to hoping he goes to prison for being not any less fraudulent then. Though I don't think he's quite dumb enough to serve a prison sentence.

Fine, I'll have a bit of disdain for him. But he sure knows how to be the richest person in the world. I mean, I would drive in one of his electric cars. I'd just think what he says is exaggerated despite serving a legitimate product.

>>1159584
Hate to break it to you, but thats about what 90% of being good at business IS

>>1159589
His cars are a legitimate product, but the stock price doesn't come from selling significantly more or better cars than anyone else. It comes from the empty promises to revolutionize the world that he constantly makes with no way to follow up on them. When he tells investors that he has full self-driving technology now or that his fake trucks will give millions in ROI, and that pumps up his stock price, that's actual fraud. Then you have the things that aren't even related to his car business, like vacuum trains, hyper subways, a mars colony, and solar freakin roof tiles, and you get a preposterously overvalued stock making him the "richest man" purely because people believe it.

I didn't recognize that was a coffee mug in your picture, so I interpreted that as her drinking straight from a can of "world's best shitposts"

>>1159599
Mhm, he sure knows how to swindle a bit.
You know, I not trying to hate rich people or anything..

lol, it's however you'd like to interpret it <3

>>1159572
Edison was actually a bit more like that than popular legend would have us believe.  He put a lot of work into promoting and selling inventions that were in fact produced by his army of hireling engineers, or were improvements or extensions on the work of other inventors like Swan and Muybridge.  Nevertheless, the phonograph was 100% Edison's brain child.

>>1159592 You have to wonder about the merits of an economic system in which you have to be an asshole to come out on top.

>>1159684

Oh yeah, I am well aware of Edison's history. Americans love any sort of narrative that portrays achievement as the product of some sort of absolute individualism when the reality of human society has always been and probably always will be that we all live in a state of interdependence, and that innovation more often than not comes from the exchange of ideas, which is exactly how tech companies innovate anything. I mean, shit, the devices we're using to communicate right now can't be credited to any single great individual inventor no matter how much Americans would love to be able to put one face behind all digital technology.

>>1159592
Yeah I know. That's what I'm complaining about. I know it's always been like that but it used to be that losing a billion dollars a year with no plan to ever be profitable at least filtered out the losers. Businessmen have always been incompetent, but if Daddy Thiel and Daddy Ackman will buy you a win no matter your personal incompetence then the whole thing goes from "dubious" to "farcical" and the entire economy falls in the hands of these Musky grifters who couldn't run a taco truck without a sugar daddy bankrolling them.

>>1159688

crapitalism

When I learned that Elon Musk has lifelong mental illness due to extreme physical and psychological abuse from his parents and his peers throughout his childhood, including being hurt so bad as a kid that he wound up in the hospital, my confusion at his behavior and remarks as an adult all clicked for me. To be really honest.

Musk is a textbook case of what happens, in my opinion, when you take somebody who'd broadly have issues with anxiety and depression as well as being on the autism spectrum and then make them stew in artificial helplessness due to shitty actions beyond their control.

When you look at him making bizarre far right statements now as well as doing all these horrible business decisions, I frankly think of him as like a twelve-year-old wearing the artificial body of somebody decades older atop his real flesh screaming for affection and tolerance.

This doesn't make him any less dangerous as a public figure, even if I genuinely feel a lot of sympathy for him.

>>1159734
>This doesn't make him any less dangerous as a public figure
I never saw him as a dangerous figure. At least to me. But I know what kind of power that amount of money could give you. So I suppose he's dangerous in a way.

>>1159735
I realize that a lot of this is projection on my part, possibly, but you can't really be cured from being subject to physical and psychological abuse as a young child.

You'll always have the instinctual impulse to harm somebody else around you in order to protect yourself directly, no matter how much this reflects a supposed "danger" that simply isn't there in the present.

>>1159734
That would explain his absolute desperation for acknowlegdment and validation...

"Musk had something of a traumatic childhood in South Africa. Indeed, the way it’s told in the book, violence was a huge part of life over there, with him and his family witnessing brawls, stabbings and fights at every turn, in a country rife with conflict under the racist Apartheid system."

"As a child, Musk was relentlessly bullied, physically and mentally, and was sent to a wilderness camp which was like a 'paramilitary Lord of the Flies'. After his parents split, he went to live with his dad in Pretoria which he regretted. 'He was lonely... he used his psychological ways on me,'... says Musk."

"The physical fights with his brother continued into adulthood. Once, when the brothers were working at their first company, Zip2, they had a fight in the office which ended in Kimbal biting a chunk of flesh from Elon’s hand. It was a disagreement about the name of the company."

Story: https://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/elon-musk-walter-isaacson-biography-revelations-best-bits-b1107301.html

Other than never being sexually molested (if he has had that happen to him, to be precise, that hasn't been disclosed publicly), I can't think of a major business-slash-political figure in the U.S. today who's come from a worse personal background than Elon Musk. The more I look into it, the more that I'm glad he's neither like a neo-Nazi leader nor a mobster. Nor a serial killer (if I'm brutally honest).

I'm the oldest of my siblings by a large margin, personally, so the notion of having physically dominating brothers biting, scratching, slashing, kicking, et cetera... yeah... is something thankfully I've not known myself... although I also grew up in part in gun violence plagued neighborhoods like Musk were you had to worry about innocents being shot as bystanders (so I slept in rooms not exposed to the streets)...

>>1159735
>I never saw him as a dangerous figure.

What about Musk's personal involvement about the use of Starlink during the Ukraine War?

(It's just the motor from a tZero in a Lotus Elise with an off-the-shelf lithium ion battery.)

>>1159564
You post in a pony imageboard. You have rescinded your right to ever find anything weird.
>>1159579
I wish I was a billionare socialite. I'm under the firm believe that the people who are all like "money doesn't buys happiness" are just on a massive cope.

>>1159900
Mm, no, I don't think I have.

>>1159579
b-but i have you folk and other more

>>1159900

>I'm under the firm believe that the people who are all like "money doesn't buys happiness" are just on a massive cope.

It certainly provides security, but it doesn't buy genuine love or respect from others. You think musk is actually happy when he goes on stage and in a public interview in front of shareholders tells all advertisers who are pulling out twitter to go fuck themselves? It doesn't seem like having billions is doing much to aswage Musk's personal social insecurities. Plus having a lot of money has the tendencies to attract a lot of fake friends.

>>1159894

What does cheese me off about bigwigs like Elon or Jeff Bezos for as much as it matters is the way they tend to demean and oppose their working force.

They set the example of being the rich billionnaires portraying how it is necessry to work your employees to death and cut off all their resources.

and other higher ups may use this as an example on how you should treat your workers like crap to become rich.

>>1159914
>They set the example of being the rich billionnaires portraying how it is necessry to work your employees to death and cut off all their resources.

A tale as old as capitalism, if the age of this political cartoon from 1894 is any indication.

>>1159900
>I wish I was a billionaire socialite. I'm under the firm belief that the people who are all like "money doesn't buys happiness" are just on a massive cope.

I realize that I'm harping on this strongly, but if you ask me or most people whether or not they'd rather have a father who genuinely loves you and cares about you versus being filthy rich because of a father who molests you, beats you up, abandons you, et cetera... I would take the love.

>>1159931
I mean you could always just kill your rich billionaire scumbag dad before he can wipe you from the inheritance, use the money to post bail/cover it up and go on to do whatever you'd like.

>>1159931
>>1159943
I swear that this is the plot to some anime and/or manga that I've come across before...

unsure why i even bother posting here nowdays.

>have a roof over my head ( although the house have black mold and the roof is slowly caving in )

>have a job ( with many overtime hours )

>have cash after bills are paid
( so i can pay for gas and food )

>have several projects cars that ive bought for cheap
( they are cheap for a reason since needs alot of work. and nothing newer than 1999 )


>have couple of project boats ive bought for cheap
( since they need repairs and no body wanna deal with 2 stroke engines since they are so bad for the enviroment )

>Being accused for being a rich
>Being accused and scolded for killing the earth
>Being trash talked about that i do not care nor giving away money to charity

kill the rich then. all i ask before you pull the trigger is to give me the most expensive cigg you can find!

Sure money doesn't buy happiness., but i rather cry in a porche than in a saab