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 No.9927

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So I'm starting to think that all home-owners  are entitled to receive a free firearm. A gun, like a handgun or an assault rifle.

Now, I'm vegan, so therefore I believe deep down in my heart of hearts: "guns are for self-defence, not hunting."

And I carry that sentiment with this statement: that all home-owners in the United States of America be given a free firearm for self defence.

 No.9928

>>9927
I don't really want one, thanks. I can't imagine I'd ever want to use one, even in self-defense? It seems like there re so many nicer options

 No.9929

What if you don't have a home?

 No.9930

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>>9929
You're probably a dirty immigrant and the reason the true US citizens need a firearm.

 No.9931

>>9930

hola

 No.9932

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>>9931
Don't you sometimes wanna take the airplane and stay in Germany for a while?

 No.9933

>>9932

As tourist, sure. That would be lovely , my father has been there, told me how cozy it is.

 No.9934

Realistically, we'd have to do something about the suicide crisis in the U.S. today before we even consider this, with more guns in more homes being a clear driver for more people taking their own lives, alas.

Of course, the suicide crisis is the pointy tip of an iceberg of a lot of social issues, which will be quite difficult to even define what the problems are... let alone solve them.

 No.9957

>>9927
I don't own a home, so I guess it's none of my business how people defend them.  Most apartment complexes don't let people have guns on the premise, let alone contemplate giving out free ones.

 No.9966

>>9927
I'm down for it. Democracy is the best form of government we have, and mass firearm ownership is a robust way of giving democracy a much-needed insurance plan.

 No.10026

Why is the image described as "risque"?

 No.10039

Why only homeowners? It should be everyone. Only rich people can afford a home anymore. This would just mean greater inequality if only homeowners got the free gun.

 No.10040

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Only if schools teach gun safety as a mandatory class. I'd also be very much against handing each and every person an assault rifle for home defense. A handgun or a shotgun are far more reasonable options for a home defense scenario. An assault rifle is laughably overkill. I don't have the numbers on hand, but the amount of home invasions that involve the invaders wearing body armor capable of stopping even 9mm rounds is likely very, very small.

Most people don't need an automatic weapon, frankly. I think they should be available for purchase, sure. However I'm not sold on the idea of the government providing free firearms in the first place, much less something like an assault rifle.

 No.10043

If this was going to work, as well, we'd need as has been mentioned above extremely strict gun safety laws as well as educational efforts made to teach about those laws.

No more right-wing trigger-happy adults doing things like letting their ten-year-olds play with their handgun for a little bit.

 No.10052

Public schools should maybe teach everybody not just the objective historical information of how firearms were invented and developed as well as the technical details of how firearms currently operate but should include some kind of practical training with different weapons.

This would probably help in terms of the large numbers of people who have either an irrational hatred of firearms based on things such as their appearance as well as those with a weird fixation on them as a sort of icon needed to make someone more "manly"/"sexy".

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>>10040
I agree.  I'm no fan of the Hughes Amendment, but at the same time, I think it would be a bad idea for the government to give free machine-guns to untrained persons.

 No.10061

What a convenient narrative for the firearms lobby

 No.10066

>>10061
The firearms industry basically wants guns to be treated like Barbie dolls so that fans buy as many expensive models as possible and fiddle with them as much as possible, those fans can be either law-abiding citizens or hardened criminals for all the industry cares.

If you're primarily interested in supporting your fellow American's self-defense, your interests aren't really aligned with the firearms industry. You want, first of all, to prevent criminals from buying guns completely. Second, you want law-abiding citizens to purchase the best firearm for their specific needs rather than the most expensive item. Third, you want those citizens to have the best understanding of how to use their purchase rather than for them to mindlessly keep buying more and more additional stuff.

 No.10077

>>9927
Not a terrible idea.
At the very least, I think a swiss-like mandatory (perhaps for certain state privileges, like voting perhaps?) military training would be ideal, with the issued rifle being either available for you in an armory, or if you so choose, kept in your home and maintained personally.

Would give good cause to cut military defense budgets, give basic firearm safety to all, and make firearms less alien to many who don't seem to understand, and consequently fear, them.

 No.10078

>>9934
Japan suggests otherwise.
Lack of firearms doesn't dissuade suicide, and besides that what one chooses to do with their own life is nobody but their own business.

 No.10083

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I'd be down for it.
ironically I think crime would spike then flatten real low really quickly.

 No.10088

>>10078
>Lack of firearms doesn't dissuade suicide, and besides that what one chooses to do with their own life is nobody but their own business.

Both of those statements are false. First, in the U.S., firearm availiablity drastically increases suicide. Second, in the U.S., suicide increases significantly in response to outside pressures such as unemployment, family abuse, and social prejudice.

If America wasn't an immoral cesspool with a "culture of hatred" and "culture of violence", then suicide wouldn't be the second leading cause of death for people under the age of 35.

 No.10097

>>10088
Japan again proves that yes firearm ownership does not increase suicide.
You've not provided any citations to demonstrate anything contrary besides.

And of course it needs to be said you didn't even bother addressing my other argument. You just stated its false. That isn't an argument, that's an admission of your own inability to engage with the matter.

Suicide is the individual's choice. It is their body. Their life. It is their choice what occurs, anything less is slavery.

 No.10100

>>10097
Americans shouldn't force victims to commit suicide by creating situations in which they're bullied into death.

America should be a county worth living in instead of a pile of shit in which people are forced to either live in suffering or take their own lives.

 No.10102

>>10100
Nobody's got a gun to their head, and while I don't consider America flawless, it's certainly a fair ways better than many places.
It'd be nice to improve, but trying to restrict the right of the people to live their own lives as they desire isn't a solution.
You're attacking the symptom, not the cause.

 No.10103

>>10102
A lot of people do have guns to their heads.

This doesn't have to be a horrific cesspool of abuse, bigotry, discrimination, drug addiction, homelessness, poverty, and more.

It shouldn't be considered normal as the rain for people to be explicitly told that they should commit suicide for being lesser then others.

 No.10107

>>10103
Not with the option of "kill self" or "don't", really.
Though perhaps you're a grander pessimist than I.

>This doesn't have to be a horrific cesspool of abuse, bigotry, discrimination, drug addiction, homelessness, poverty, and more.
True. But nowhere is perfect, and either way it isn't right to force others to live as you please instead of allowing them the right to choose to end it if they so desire.

 No.10110

>>10107
You don't really have a choice, honestly.

If you're in a position where Americans have chosen to structure society so that you're in extreme pain, then your options are "make the pain go away" or "endure".

But Americans could stop doing that in the first place.

 No.10111

>>10110
Don't know what you mean by "Americans" as though Americans are separate from Americans if they desire to kill themselves.

But in any case, the point is, that's not solved by stopping them from being any to make that choice.

 No.10116

>>10111
Being ordered to commit suicide by a hateful society isn't a free choice, though.

I mean, to take an extreme historical example, do you think that all of those people in Stalinist Russia who killed themselves truly were free people doing free actions to suit their own logical best interests?

When suicide is so common and so routine and so normal that it's a leading cause of death akin to heart attacks and cancer, that says a lot about the moral quality of a country and its place in the world.

 No.10120

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>>10116
>When suicide is so common and so routine and so normal that it's a leading cause of death akin to heart attacks and cancer, that says a lot about the moral quality of a country...
Hmm, I'm a bit doubtful.  I think only a small portion of variance in moral quality of countries can be explained by their suicide rates.  Do you have any data to support your claim?

 No.10121

>>10120
While "morality" can probably be measured to some degree, I don't think that it's scientifically possible to really quantify it that coherently at an objective level. That's not to say that "morality" doesn't exist, but then it's like "beauty" or "compassion" in terms of having highly subjective elements.

While I don't have the facts in front of me, I'd say that the objective data on suicide of particular groups in the U.S. in terms of LGBT people, Native Americans, and veterans probably clearly indicate that abuse and otherwise ill-treatment is a close driver of suicide. Particularly when it comes to veterans. Denial of needed health care and shunning by friends has been documented as fundamental issues in news stories that I've read.

It naturally will be more of a fuzzy thing looking broadly at whole countries and continents in general.

 No.10130

>>10116
Nobody's given you that order.

>do you think that all of those people in Stalinist Russia who killed themselves truly were free people doing free actions to suit their own logical best interests?
I think that their choice to end their own life is theirs alone to make, that nobody should stand in their way, and that it would be wrong to stop them.

The reasons, as I already said plenty of times now and evidently you've ignored, have no bearing on that.
I can disagree with the Soviet state's treatment of individuals and their rights, while also still respecting people's rights when it comes down to whether or not to end their own life.

No idea why you struggle with something so simple.

 No.10132

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>>10130
>>10130
>I think that their choice to end their own life is theirs alone to make, that nobody should stand in their way, and that it would be wrong to stop them.
If someone of sound mind decides to commit suicide, I agree their choice should be respected.  But see https://slatestarcodex.com/2013/04/25/in-defense-of-psych-treatment-for-attempted-suicide/ for an argument that many people who attempt suicide are of unsound mind and later are glad that they survived.  And then there are 'suicides' like that of Vince Foster that are somewhat suspicious.

 No.10134

Is it really too much to ask for America to be a country where victims aren't bullied into committing suicide by mistreatment from others?

Is it really too much to ask for America to be a country of bare minimum basic decency in which the average person doesn't live in fear of the other average person due to widespread abuse?

Is it really too much to ask for America to be a country where violent hatred against complete strangers wasn't considered as normal as breathing?

Really? It's really far too much to ask? Seriously?

 No.10149

>>10134
Nobody said it was.
That's just you projecting.


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