>>9172>would you say I did no bodily harm to you?
If you did not leave a mark, yes.>Would you say I did not commit an Assault?
A different variant of assault, perhaps.
I do not know the specifics of such. I am going off of this. >A slap in the face is Bodily Harm as the law defines it.
Then perhaps you could post the specific relevant law, as I am going off of this.
Given no marks were left, no injuries caused by his actions, no harm seems to have been caused let alone intentional.>2. That he was trained to do so - or even ordered to do so - does not admonish him from guilt. If you are trained to do an unlawful thing or ordered to do an unlawful thing, that is not actually exonerating of a crime.
This is true.
However; It does demonstrate a lack of intent to cause injury.
Given it was trained as a non-lethal hold, as well as no marks were left on Floyd's body, I do not believe there is sufficient evidence to suggest that there was intentional harm caused, and subsequently, that it was murder.
Incidentally; If police are guilty of murder every time someone in a non-lethal hold dies of a drug overdose, it's going to be rather impossible to enforce law. So I don't think this application as you seem to frame it would be reasonable, regardless, unless we were to have police just ignore crimes until lethal force is justifiable, and simply shoot, rather than attempt arrest.>As it explains, being an officer does not grant you is the full use of force universally for any situation.
No, but it would seem that it grants you the ability to use a non-lethal hold on a resisting subject. So I'm not really sure why you bring it up.>2.a. George Floyd has not demonstrated a risk of flight.
I wouldn't really agree, he was actively resisting.>While he is not cooperating with the officers to the fullest, he has given specific cause for why he is failing to comply. That does not mean he is trying to escape, he didn't try to break free when he was being escorted to the car
This I cannot accept whatsoever.
His actions when it came to attempts to get him in the vehicle were well beyond simply refusing to comply.
I must say, I find the framing rather dishonest. But I assume that was not your intention.
Nonetheless; There is bodycamera footage linked in this thread at >>8966
which I think you should watch.
Claiming Floyd was non-compliant, but not actively resisting, is simply not true.>George Floyd is complying to the best of his ability.
This is just plain objectively false.>2.b. George Floyd is trying to exit the police car by force. As is provable by the fact he is dead now, he was having a medical emergency in the moment. He was doing his best to explain to the officers he was having an emergency.
His claim of medical emergency was that he was claustrophobic, again as evidenced in the video.>There is literally no reason for the officers to disbelieve him!
I disagree. There's no cause for the officers to believe that he is having a serious medical issue due to claustrophobia. >His lack of full cooperation is not a cause for lying, because the officers when first putting him into the car failed to heed his attempt to explain his issue.
Stating it as 'lack of full cooperation' is again dishonest, as I see it.
I do not know if you are intentionally doing so, but I would like to assume you are not.
Nonetheless; It is an objective fact that Floyd resisted being put in the car.
Not simply did not comply. Not simply did not cooperate.
We have video evidence that proves this to be objective as a matter of fact.>2.d. Other people in George's situation may well have lied before. It may have been possible in the minds of the officers that George too was lying. But that other suspects have lied to officers does not grant this officer with this suspect the right to presume guilt.
Nor does it grant Floyd innocence when he actively resists.> George has to have acted in a way that would have been unreasonable for someone who was having a medical emergency in order to be reasonably dismissed by the officers.
Such as actively resisting.>3. The officers did not attempt to use a lesser, justifiable level of force on George before using the level of force that (presumably) caused the death of George.
This, again, is objectively false.
The video shows this.
They attempted to put him in the car.
They pinned him when he actively resisted going in the car, until it would seem EMTs arrived.>2. The use of this form of bodily harm was not lawful for all the reason above
I'd still like a source for your definition of bodily harm, as I do not believe it is reasonable that not leaving a single mark on a person whatsoever constitutes felony assault.> If what you are operating on is the feeling that he didn't deserve the punishment,
Honestly, if he got shot, lynched, hung, or whatever, I really wouldn't give a fuck.
I don't particularly like police.
They are not my friend. Their main duty seems to be steal money from citizens for shit they do every day.
They certainly are not facilitators of justice, as they should be, as many cops lie.
My complaints have nothing to do with Chauvin as a person. I don't like him, I don't care for him in the slightest.
It's worth saying I suppose, I don't care about Floyd either.
But I do care about the sanctity of justice.
I do not think this was a just case, and I think there's a lot of areas which suggest that.
And that gives me a lot of concern. I was already very skeptical of courts, having my own experience on a more minor charge be very negative.
This just looks to me like it doesn't matter what I did or did not do, if I'm looked at wrong by the people doing it, whether it be an angry mob saying they'll continue to riot unless they get what they want, or politicians using me for political points, or even just smaller scale of local communities not liking me, I may well find myself in jail for something I did not do.
But, I digress, this is why I have my rifle. This is why I'm getting a plate carrier. This is why I'm looking at NODs.
If such a thing comes to pass that I'm accused of doing something I did not, I do not think I will willingly go with police.