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How much of an impact do you think COVID-19 (and especially Trump's response to it) had on the presidential election? Would Trump have won but for his poor handling of the pandemic?
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Trump knew about Wuhan Pneumonia back in early January. If he would have used the Defense Production Act and government funding, he could have built new N95 factories and produced enough N95 masks by May or June so that everyone could have one. It would have cost tens or even hundreds of billions of dollars, but it would have limited shutdowns after that point to only restaurants and bars. Instead, Trump's personal antipathy towards masks led to many people refusing to wear them and worse outbreaks.
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>>8042>Trump's attempts to make voting by mail seem illegitimate hurt his own turn-out because the majority of mail-in ballots were Democratic.
Are you sure it didn't just shift Republican voters to vote in person?
Trump bungled his handling of Covid in a number of ways. Some of which are detailed in this video.
to be fair, that's a move most places all around the world have neglected and still do.
i doubt even Biden would have opened heavy duty masks and frced those on the population at the first rumour of someone getting sick accross the world.
And it would certainly not have been accepted by the general public to wear those masks everywhere.
I do feel that Trump's scoffing at the disease even while it was ravaging America was a poor decision that did a lot of harm.
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>>8054>to be fair, that's a move most places all around the world have neglected and still do.
True, but the places where mask-wearing was already common (e.g., South Korea, Taiwan) did much better than most of the world.>i doubt even Biden would have opened heavy duty mask[ factories]
Likely true. I'm not convinced that Biden or Hillary would have done much better than Trump, other than setting a better example for mask-wearing. But Trump did
have an opportunity, and he blew it. And the Crimson Contagion exercise  revealed back in August 2019 that the US lacked the PPE production capacity for dealing with a deadly pandemic flu.
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimson_Contagion>>8054> f[o]rced those on the population
To be clear, the president doesn't have the authority to force
people to wear masks. And neither does Congress, any more than it can force people to buy broccoli (although it might be able to tax going out in public with a naked face). The president just has a bully pulpit to try to convince people to voluntarily wear a mask. It would be up to the several states to compel people to wear masks where appropriate.
On the side, do Taiwan / South Korea distribute and ask the population to wear specialised N95 masks?
Because I can imagine the general population wearing surgical and homemade masks, which are likely easier to make and distribute.
But actual professional masks would still sound harder to distribute for everyone.
While that's true, it's only because of our idiotic electoral college.
If you look at the popular vote, i.e. who actually got the most votes, Biden got over 5 million votes, one of the biggest differences for any Presidential race. Even if our system gives the person who got less votes a path to winning for some stupid reason, it's still clear Trump was the least popular of the two candidates.
It is idiotic that the person who did not get the most votes can still win and that some votes are literally worth more than others. If you actually look at what regions get the most voting power because of the electoral college, you'll see that on average, the votes of white people are worth more than the votes of people of color.
But even ignoring all that, the Electoral college fails in what it's actually supposed to do. Every state or place has a mixture of right and left people. All the electoral college does is force each state into a binary that means portions of their population get ignored. . Republicans in California get ignored, just as Democrats of Oklahoma get ignored. The electoral college force politicians to view each state as a ridiculous parody of itself.
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>>8069>It is idiotic that the person who did not get the most votes can still win and that some votes are literally worth more than others. >...>the Electoral college fails in what it's actually supposed to do
It is true that the electors no longer exercise independent discretion, as originally envisioned. But the unequal representation was definitely a designed-in feature, a compromise to protect the interests of the smaller states.
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And why should some votes be worth more than others? And keep in mind, this means white votes are worth more than votes of non-whites.
>>8072>And why should some votes be worth more than others?
As I said in >>8071
: it's a compromise to protect the interests of the smaller states.>this means white votes are worth more than votes of non-whites.
Not in all cases. The vote of a black person in DC is 'worth' more than the vote of a white person in Texas.
already a thread on the electoral college up, it would probably be better to have this discussion there.
Why the fuck should people have to move for their votes to matter? That's ridiculous.>>8073>it's a compromise to protect the interests of the smaller states.
Except it doesn't. No "state" has interests. People do. And the electoral college forces candidates to look at states as parodies of themselves and ignore large groups of people living there. >>8075
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I...live in a sorta blue place politically. People complain at lot about Trump's responses to COVID.>poor handling of the pandemic
But I do see more broadly some feel the use of state power in the interest of public health is bad. Some feel state impotence in allowing COVID to spread or lack of preparation for treatment is bad. So, how do you judge the state's handling of the pandemic in a general American way, except perhaps to say: if you like Trump, he did a great job; otherwise not. Suppose it's really the edge cases that matter -- people (unicorns?) not strongly for or against Trump, and those cases are harder to comment on.