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 No.4658

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I see various posts on the social medias saying transgendering children involves sexualizing children.  Now, I don't support sexualizing children and I don't feel it would be right to argue against someone's goal of protecting children from these kinds of exploitation.  And we all know transphobia is inappropriate, so I won't accuse of that.

But it occurs to me, the opposite of boy or girl, is again boy or girl.  Perhaps it is in those very categories that the problem of sexualizing lies.  I would propose, then, that gender be forbidden minors.  Perhaps I've missed some fine detail, so I'll open it to discussion, but it seems most rational to me.

 No.4659

>>4658
>medias
The word "media" is already plural.  The singular is "medium".

Also, lots of people say lots of stupid things on social media.  Sometimes it's best to just ignore it.

>>4658
>But it occurs to me, the opposite of boy or girl, is again boy or girl.
Opposite in what sense?  In one sense, the opposite of "boy or girl" is "(not boy) and (not girl)".

>>4658
>I don't feel it would be right to argue against someone's goal of protecting children from these kinds of exploitation.  
You can argue against against the means without arguing against the goal.

>>4658
>I would propose, then, that gender be forbidden minors.
That is impractical on so many levels.

 No.4663

>>4659
Thank you.  I assume most are not stupid, or at least smarter than me, which perhaps says little.  It's true not all ideas can be integrated,  I suppose, some will be rejected.

>the opposite of "boy or girl" is "(not boy) and (not girl)

Yes, the opposite of boy is not boy.  But the common transition is from boy to girl, and that's what I was thinking of.

>argue against against the means without arguing against the goal
I suppose I am, then.

>That is impractical on so many levels.
Where you say changing child-rearing habits takes time, certainly.  I think most all would agree protecting children ought to be made practical.

 No.4664

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How would one go about raising their kids genderless and how would that work in a gendered society?

Would you assign names?
And how do you deal with whatever questions come up regarding biology?

You probably need to get everyone in on it to kind of work.

 No.4667

>>4663
>I assume most are not stupid
Probably a bad assumption for Twitter and Facebook.  Even smart people say stupid things on Twitter.

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>>4664
>How would one go about raising their kids genderless and how would that work in a gendered society?
I'd defer to the techniques of those who currently raise non-binary children, probably.

>Would you assign names?
I think you'd have to.  Perhaps something that goes both ways.  (Suppose you could just number them off: child_1, child_2, child_3.  If someone can show that is better, I guess I'm OK with it.)

Everyone would have the liberty of picking a more gendered name when they came of age, if they felt that was appropriate.

>And how do you deal with whatever questions come up regarding biology?
Um...in the most non-sexualized way, or just defer answers until later.

>You probably need to get everyone in on it to kind of work.
Well, everyone wants to protect children.  All we must do is show the way.

 No.4678

>>4664
Cut out their pronouns.

 No.4687

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>>4667
Why do you think that is?  Are there other social media where people say smart things instead?  My sister uses Snapchat, maybe it's that one.

>>4658
Anyway, I will argue against my own argument.  I think most agree that how someone dresses, for example, is not to blame for sexual assault in adults.  And I think we can also say that if a boy cross-dresses, and an adult who sees it feels it is sexual and acts inappropriately, it's fully the fault of the adult, not the dress or anyone who might have permitted a boy to wear a dress.  In broader terms, to admit that a child can be sexualized is to legitimize the perspective of people capable of being sexually attracted to children -- not a particularly sturdy rhetorical plank to stand on.

Of course, then the count-counter argument might be -- yes, yes, we oughtn't change just to accommodate a hated minority, but you still want to play it safe, don't you?  Lock the doors, put up fences, and encourage the least sexualizible identities in children.

 No.4688

>>4687
> Are there other social media where people say smart things instead?
Yes, e.g., a few subreddits and https://news.ycombinator.com/

 No.4689

>>4688
Mostly this looks like computer stuff.  A few about the economy.  You like those kinds of topics, better, I take it.

 No.4690

>I see various posts on the social medias saying transgendering children involves sexualizing children
Seems kinda dubious.

>>4664
>How would one go about raising their kids genderless and how would that work in a gendered society?
I don't think you can. You can approach gender neutral upbringing, but you can never cut out any trace of anything that can be called gendered from children's lives. This is just not possible or pragmatic.

>Would you assign names?
I guess you could let the kids pick their own names, or give them gender neutral names like alex or max.
>How would you deal with whatever questions come up regarding biology.
I think the kindergardens that are around these days that attempt this, tend to just tell them the truth for the most part. That some kids have penises, some kids have vaginas. When people grow up, they tend to sort themselves into one of two types, either male or female, and that these categories are known as gender, and that this is likely to become relevant for them some day, but that in the kindergarden they don't use that yet.


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