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...what are your thoughts on race, as they relate to culture? Should race and culture be completely separate? Are they, already?
...i think i agree. i think any person of any race can be of a culture.
race is one thing, maybe, and culture is another?
i do think that race can influence how people treat each other though, even if this isn't, to me, the right way to behave, which can impact one's personal experiences, and thereby, their culture
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>>3600>A lot of stuff influences how people treat each other, but I think more important than "actual" race is what other people perceive your race to be
Philosophically, one has direct knowledge of only one's own perceptions (and other types of thoughts). One's information about actual reality is ultimately based on (possibly faulty) inferences based on one's sensory perceptions.
People can darken their skin by injecting melanotan, but there are also other physiological indicators of race, such as nose shape and hair shape (curlyness / straightness).
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you are right, i 100% agree. Race should
be considered separate. You don't have a particular culture because
of your race.
But, in practice, as long as other people treat you differently because of your race, your culture will be influenced by your race, and none of that is in your power to control.
In other words, your culture can be influenced by how others treat you because of your race
Do you agree, too?
>>3604>But, in practice, as long as other people treat you differently because of your race, your culture will be influenced by your race
I guess that depends on how broadly one defines "culture" as well as the nature and magnitude of the racial disparities in treatment.
E.g., Ashkenazi Jews are, on account of their race, recommended to have genetic screening for Tay-Sachs before marriage and/or reproducing. But I don't think this difference in treatment significantly affects their culture.
Influenced, yes, but not dictated.
Most aspects of anybody's personality are doubtless influenced by countless different factors. That doesn't necessarily mean they aren't separate items, however.
Many cultures influence other cultures, yet those cultures are still considered separate.
And of course, experiences are not universal. At that point, it's going to be much more down to location, rather than race
Race has something to do with ancestry, although in sociology most let people self-identify, in which case it has to do with a feeling of ancestry, just as an adopted person can be part of a family without genetic relation.
Culture, in this context, would be patterns of behavior and belief historically associated with groups that share ancestry.
I think they correlate, but if you wanted to participate in Czechoslovakian culture, for example, but your race was Indian, I'm not going to pass judgement. I suppose this topic gets a bit more complicated when your bring in something like cultural appropriation, which implies for safety, for some sensitive elements, race and culture must match.
That is true... Chinese have problems with lactose overwhelmingly, so it furthers the cultural predisposition towards tofu!
Or so i am told c:>>3607
i agree, and was trying to express just that.
Dictated, i think, is very different! >>3608
....hm. Also very true
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The culture of the race is either the best or worst part of that race.
Have to agree. Frankly, I find the notion rather racist in and of itself. At least as far as the whole "you can't do X if you're Y race" thing goes.
Also, it's almost always hypocritical, since it never applies to European cultural items, like say College itself.
Anyone should be able to engage with other cultures. That's part of what's nice about them. Being able to share different perspectives, beliefs, ideas, concepts, designs, and so on.
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i agree completely, though i would hesitate to call college itself is a European cultural item. China has had collegiate education since The Western Zhou dynasty in like 1000 BC
The Jingxia academy had Western style lecturers and professors that would travel from university to university in the warring states period, which was like 400 BC!
And surely, many other cultures have contributed to the modern idea of college, today>>3638>>3623
i was having omakase at one of the city's finest sushi bars. The two men next to me were Wall Street guys, and were these rather heavy, Western men. They spoke perfect Japanese, knew all the etiquete for omakase and were much more fluent in Japanese mannerisms than i! They even treated the sushi chef in the sort of way the Japanese do, which comes across as rude to the Taiwanese, but is customary and expected in Japan.
i think it is good that we can share. i always feel honored when i run into Western tourist or local who wishes to learn about my culture, or even participate in it!
i think cultural appropriation can exist though, especially when it is used as corporate cling-wrap to "progressivize" for marketing without actually contributing anything.
>>3653> cultural appropriation can exist though, especially when it is used as corporate cling-wrap to "progressivize" for marketing without actually contributing anything.
Yeah it's annoying when globalist mega-corporations repackage local cultures in a cheap, inauthentic, sanitized manner for the lowest common denominator.
What do you think of localized variations / fusions of cultural things? Like, IIRC, General Tso's Chicken was invented in America by Chinese immigrants seeking to create a dish that would appeal to Western tastes.
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i think those things are amazing.and beautiful. ...i don't think they taste that great, but from a cultural perspective, such things are amazing to me.
You know Indian Chinese food is a thing too? There is a place here that serves lollipop chicken that is apparently how Indians make Chinese food
It's... Interesting. But also incredible to think about and it makes me happy c:
Race is a folk taxonomy of people that sees people existing in discrete groups when otherwise humanity exist as what zoologists and ecologist call a "kline", that is alleles in the genepool tend to be spread out like a cloud, concentrated in one area of the geography spreading outwards and growing thinner to the point that discerning a discrete border is basically impossible.
So yes, race is pretty intrinsic to culture because it's up to culture to determine what arbitrary heritable characteristics you have are essential to determining your race, and distinguish them from the heritable characteristics they deem to be unessential in determining their own taxonomy of race caregories.
Should they be seperate? I mean, it might certainly allow some people a whole lot more personal freedom if cultural background was conceived as a wholly separate categorical scheme ... but that would most likely lead to subcultures that could still only be understood as intrinsically linked to those same race categories. Like, okay, "nerd" is no longer associated as a subcultural category closely associated with being white or asian, but now you have these distinct subgroups of that subgroup distinguished by race, i.e. "black nerds". I think, by their very nature, any social categorical schema generates a culture around the people placed in that category, especially if that category is based on something highly and constantly visible, which is biologically inherited and thus tends to occur in more concentrated in some locations than in others.
perhaps it would just be better to implement an educational curriculum that emphasizes critical thinking skills, with a big emphasis on the idea that the organizational schema you generate as you grow up from partly from experience and that you learn from cultural osmosis, and which you use to make sense of and organize reality on a daily basis, is going to be perpetually tentative and need of revision when, inevitably, you run into real world exceptions to how you thought the world was organized, i.e. like when you run into that black nerd