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 No.2802

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Imagine you were to discover, with certainty, that the world you are currenty living in is fake.  Everything in it, including all the people, were artificially created.  Whether what you're experiencing is a VR simulation or the dream of a sleeping god, this isn't the real world.  Further, as part of this discovery, you've figured out how to end it.  You'll return to the real world and everything about the fake world will cease to exist.

What do you do?  Stay in the fake world?  Or destroy the fake world to return to the real world?  Does your answer change if the world is particularly good or bad to live in?

 No.2803

If the world I currently occupy is fake, is it possible for me to "hack" this reality? Change aspects of it to allow myself to do things other people can't. Or to award myself more personal gain?

 No.2804

>>2802
>fake dream reality
>this isn't the real world

Are you so sure?

 No.2805

>>2803

No.  You're free to do whatever you want with your knowledge that the world is fake and you can end it, but it isn't The Matrix (tm) and you don't gain superpowers just by realizing the world isn't real.

>>2804

Yes, I said that in the OP.

 No.2806

>>2805
So my choices are continue to live in this current world, knowing that it's fake, but powerless to do anything meaningful with this information, or end this world, with no knowledge of what this "real world" is like outside of it.

How do I know the "real world" isn't 100x worse than this one? How do I know any of the people I care about exists in the real world? How do I know the person I am in here isn't radically different from the person I am in the "real" world?

I see no benefit to ending this reality, and this is coming from someone who has a relatively shitty life here.

 No.2807

>>2805
>sure

Seems you were sure before:
>Imagine you were to discover, with certainty, that the world you are currenty living in is fake

Perhaps, this IS that fake world.  Maybe ending the fake world brings you back to no reality at all.

 No.2808

If I have no knowledge of the real world, I'd probably stick with this known quantity. I mean, reality is what you make of it, even if I knew it were a dream it still is functionally real to me in every way that matters.

Question though, is everyone else in the dream also tied to a real person, or are they just made up? What about the animals in the fake world? Morality in the fake world space becomes interesting if all or much of the suffering isn't even really happening. That could make it kinda beneficial to live in the fake world while aware. You can exploit certain things that you might otherwise not want to if you morally want to be a good pro social person.

 No.2809

>>2808
>>2808
> You can exploit certain things that you might otherwise not want to if you morally want to be a good pro social person.

Like when people play Grand Theft Auto. But if our current world is the "fake" one, you could still be incarcerated or shunned for breaking the social norms. No one else knows the world is fake, and they would not be inclined to believe you about that.

 No.2810

>>2807

No, it does, that's part of the question.  It's just a fun hypothetical thing.

>>2808
>Question though, is everyone else in the dream also tied to a real person, or are they just made up? What about the animals in the fake world?

They're all made up with no connection to the real world.  Where that places them morally is up to you.

 No.2811

>>2810
So my entire life has been a lie?

 No.2812

>>2811

Essentially.  But you can also choose to keep living that lie.

 No.2813

>>2812
That changes things. You didn't specify that I am the only "real" thing in this current reality.

With that in mind, there's no reason not to destroy it.

 No.2814

>>2802
I think it opens more questions.  Do I go to the real world after I die?  Is the fake world sustainable?  Is anyone harmed by my staying in the fake world?  Will the return to the real world be too much for my little brain to handle?

And then, well, how do I know this 'real' world isn't just another layer of fake?

I suppose you're fishing for an intolerance of the virtual, someone saying I need the real world just because it's real.  I have curiosity, but I'm not going to harm myself or other for it.

 No.2815

>>2813
>You didn't specify that I am the only "real" thing in this current reality.

Well "real" is in quotation marks for a reason.  The people in the fake world don't have any corresponding body in the real world, so they'd stop existing if you ended it, but as far as you can tell they still have thoughts and emotions, even if they're simulated somehow rather than coming from a "real" brain.

>>2814
>Do I go to the real world after I die?  Is the fake world sustainable?  Is anyone harmed by my staying in the fake world?  Will the return to the real world be too much for my little brain to handle?

Yes, yes, no, and no.

>And then, well, how do I know this 'real' world isn't just another layer of fake?

You don't actually know anything about the "real" world in this example, other than the fact that you'd be there if you weren't inside the simulated world.  It could be horrific, or a paradise, or just another fake world that's also simulated, but you don't know that because you can't observe it from within the simulation.  You also aren't sure what the purpose of the simulation was, if there was any purpose at all, so you don't know what might change in the real world if you ended it.

 No.2816

>>2815
Simple enough, I'll end it when I feel tired of this life.

 No.2817

>>2815
But they aren't real. Nothing was ever real. Except for, debatably, me.

So you shouldn't feel any remorse for ending this world, just like you don't feel remorse shutting down your Playstation.

 No.2818

>>2817

That's a fair take on it, I suppose.

 No.2819

>>2818
My answer would be different if there were other "real" things in this reality.

 No.2820

Once you've attained a degree of philosophical understanding of the nature of reality, questions like this become moot and derivative.

For example, what does it mean for something to be "fake?"

And if peace and happiness are not based on semblances, then the point is moot.

As far as what I would do once I discovered the "truth," I suppose I wouldn't be able to stay in the fake world any longer even if I wanted to...

So I might stay in the fake world for a while until I got bored and then I would leave.

>Does your answer change if the world is particularly good or bad to live in?

I suppose I would eventually get bored either way.

 No.2821

>>2810

It doesnt say that in the OP.

Its not fun for you to shoot down responses.

 No.2825

>>2802
End the simulation, probably.
Presuming this is something that's pretty obvious, anyway. More than just "put bullet to head".

Way I see it, better to break the cycle. I've no problem not worrying about whether or not it's possible the world we live in is fake, but if I do know, then I think I'd want to make effort to escape that reality.

 No.2827

>>2821

Is your response the suggestion that we're currently living in a simulation?  'cause that seems like a whole separate thread, and also a question we've been asking since ancient Rome was a world power.  From here, there's no way to tell that the shadows on the wall aren't the extent of reality.  That's why I specified as part of the question that somehow you did know.


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