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 No.10154

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Remember the four basic rules of gun safety:
1. Treat all guns as if they are always loaded.
2. Never let the muzzle point at anything that you are not willing to destroy.
3. Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on target and you have made the decision to shoot.
4. Be sure of your target and what is behind it.

And yes, these rules apply even if you're just using a gun as a prop.                                                                                                                                                                  

 No.10155

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>And yes, these rules apply even if you're just using a gun as a prop.
I think we all learned that lesson the hard way.

 No.10156

>>10155
Alec Baldwin really learned it the hard way!  And he might yet go to prison for it.

 No.10157

The glee over some guy getting his life destroyed over an accident for having opinions has probably turned me off towards a movement I used to support more than anything.

 No.10158

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I feel this might be very easy to do in a calm and rational setting. But if you're even a little under pressure, mistakes are easy to make.

Not living in the US of A, in a place where I'm not supposed to have a gun except if I have a very good reason for it, I am cool with not taking any chances.

>>1103075
>>1103072
Now I don't know if this is about Baldwin or Rittenhouse

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>>10158
>I feel this might be very easy to do in a calm and rational setting. But if you're even a little under pressure, mistakes are easy to make.
That's why training is key!  One should practice in a calm setting until safe gun handling becomes second nature.

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>>10159
Even with training, I don't exactly trust that working for the average citizen.

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Since this seems like a topic that has some surrounding issues that are controversial, and could make this hotly debated we've decided to move this thread to /townhall/.

 No.10166

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What do we feel is safest for carrying?
Most of the people around me that carry does so with a round in the chamber, uncocked, and safety on.

 No.10167

I think that we as Americans should just accept that fact that a gigantic number of millions upon millions of people who have firearms unconditionally refuse to learn gun safety and unconditionally refuse to treat guns responsibility.

It cannot be helped.

It's something that in no way, shape, or form can be changed and we simply have to accept it and move on.

Same as, say, having a relative diagnosed with terminal cancer. Just live with it. Accept it.(User was banned for violation of /townhall/ rule 1)

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>>10166
Personally, I carry a Beretta PX4 Compact Carry.  It's a DA/SA pistol with a manual decocker but no manual safety.  I carry it uncocked with a round in the chamber.

I initially considered carrying a Glock, but I was terrified by the thought of the trigger catching on something while holstering it.  In contrast, with a DA/SA pistol, I can keep my thumb on the external hammer to ensure that the trigger doesn't get snagged.

>>10167
>It cannot be helped.
I disagree.  Simple solution would be to teach gun safety in school.  

 No.10173

>>10172
The American people refuse to learn gun safety, and there's nothing you, I, or anybody else can do to force them to do so. Gun safety is perceived in America as being something that weak, nancy-pants sissies worry about and that tough guys don't care about. This has never changed and will never change.

Same thing with how American criminals have guns. They always have had them. They always will get them. There's nothing you, or I, or anybody else can do to effectively keep them from having guns.

Just have to accept that the patient, that is: America, has an inoperable brain tumor, that is: America is an unhappy, unsafe place, and move on.

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>>10173
> Gun safety is perceived in America as being something that weak, nancy-pants sissies worry about and that tough guys don't care about.
lol wut?  In all the gun communities I've been in, the basic gun-safety rules (codified by Lt. Col. Jeff Cooper) have always been considered extremely important and to be strictly adhered to.  People who violate the rules (e.g., Sen. Feinstein, shown here failing to exercise proper trigger discipline) are mocked for being incompetent morons.

 No.10176

>>10173
> Gun safety is perceived in America as being something that weak, nancy-pants sissies worry about and that tough guys don't care about
Maybe to people who don't have or otherwise participate in the firearm hobby.
But in the hobby, if you do something stupid, you're universally condemned for it.
For good reason.

Quickest way to get your ass booted off of a range for life is to fail at the basic rules. And for good reason.

 No.10178

>>10174
>>10176
Every single fucking time me or anybody else objects to somebody engaged in open carry activism at the level where the demonstrators are actively unholstering their firearm and pointing the triggers at random passersby... every single time we're told to "calm down" and "relax" because we're being "pussies" and "sissies" for complaining.

I know that you guys consider it normal for somebody dressed like a stormtrooper to be, say, patrolling in front of a synagogue against dangerous Jews by scoping out every single entrant, finger on the trigger with the rifle fully loaded.

Most of us in America don't consider such things normal and view it as something like vocal public masturbation at best.

Yes, America is an unsafe hellhole that people feel depressed for having to live in... but viewing it as a war-zone in which your fellow citizens are all monsters out to get you because you don't like their religion, their skin color, their race, their haircut, or whatever else doesn't help at fucking all. It's the gun-worshipping bigots who're making it actively worse in the first place. No question.

Why can't I go to a public religious institution without having to have some kind of a police presence nearby, due to so many gun-toting types haunting the overall area?

 No.10179

>>10178
>Every single fucking time me or anybody else objects to somebody engaged in open carry activism at the level where the demonstrators are actively unholstering their firearm and pointing the triggers at random passersby... every single time we're told to "calm down" and "relax" because we're being "pussies" and "sissies" for complaining.
Well I can't unfortunately do much to dissuade your anecdotes, as far as that goes.
But I can at least say if someone's pointing a gun at random passers by with their fingers on the trigger, they're certainly someone that ought be condemned.

>I know that you guys consider it normal for somebody dressed like a stormtrooper to be, say, patrolling in front of a synagogue against dangerous Jews by scoping out every single entrant, finger on the trigger with the rifle fully loaded.
...What?
No, obviously we don't.
Where would you even get such a backwards idea?

>Most of us in America don't consider such things normal and view it as something like vocal public masturbation at best.
OK, so why're you acting like we do?
We never said anything to suggest the sort.
And besides that, weren't you whining just seconds ago about how "the American people" won't learn gun safety?
Why are you now appealing to the majority, after moments ago you were condemning the majority?

 No.10180

>>10178
>Every single fucking time me or anybody else objects to somebody engaged in open carry activism at the level where the demonstrators are actively unholstering their firearm and pointing the triggers at random passersby... every single time we're told to "calm down" and "relax" because we're being "pussies" and "sissies" for complaining.
Assuming you mean "pointing the muzzle" instead of "pointing the trigger": That's brandishing, and it's illegal.  If possible, you should gather videographic evidence and call the cops to report it.  

>I know that you guys consider it normal for somebody dressed like a stormtrooper to be, say, patrolling in front of a synagogue against dangerous Jews by scoping out every single entrant, finger on the trigger with the rifle fully loaded.
WTF man, both of us just told you that we consider the basic rules (including trigger discipline) extremely important.

 No.10181

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Maybe one of these days I should do something like this outside of one of your homes, religious institutions, schools, stores, et cetera and see how you like it?

Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander?

Tit for tat?

What goes around comes around?

In this case, it's not even an actual firearm, so don't be a "sissy" or "pussy", right?

 No.10183

>>10181
You do realize that's a paintball gun, right?

This aside, as I recall, they simply drove through a town, one full of left-wing radicals who've attacked them every single time they've come to protest, and of whom outright murdered someone in a cold-blooded ambush.

If your stance is "what goes around comes around", it's not this that you should be worried about. It's someone stalking you from a parking garage, waiting for you to round the corner, and then shooting you dead, as what happened to Aaron ’Jay’ Danielson.

Personally, I'm of the simple stance that the violence should stop.
I'm not about to fearmonger for any one side, screaming about "the left" coming to murder us in the street, repeat kristallnacht as they destroy our livelihoods, ect.
I'm not going to say "what goes around comes around", and start calling for an eye for an eye, using group-based justice to prey on entire political sections rather than hold the individuals to account
That is a terrible idea. It'd only make things worse.
Why on earth do you think what you're doing is at all reasonable?

 No.10185

>>10183
At some point, the police and their white right-wing gun owning allies need to stop having full license to abuse the living crap out of innocent victims.

I think that this country is at a level where the moral injustice just becomes too much.

If I see a group of police officers in full riot gear grabbing an elderly black women and pummeling her to the sidewalk as she cries out in pain, being targeted for nothing more than having the wrong message at the wrong place (freedom of speech and assembly be damned), I've got to ask: why exactly shouldn't I shoot back at the cops to defend her life?

Why does wearing a badge magically make a psychotic abuser not an psychotic abuser?

And in the case of white right-wing gun owners lining up as auxiliary police, why does a Trump hat make an psychotic abuser not an psychotic abuser?

Why not shoot back there as well?

I don't own a firearm. I'm going to going to get one, personally. This is all esoterica somewhat. But still... it feels important to me.

People should've live in fear of bullies (cops being the worst bullies). Bullies should live in fear of the people. Period.

I know that America is America, and in America the cops and their right-wing street fighter allies are allowed to lie, cheat, steal, rape, murder, and more with no recourse so my frustration is as impotent as a mouse being made at being eaten by a cat. Still, I'm going to complain. It feels good, at least.

 No.10186

>>10185
I fail to see how race comes in to it, nor do I see how you can really call the police an ally to those of us who own and desire to keep the right to own firearms.
Seems they trample that right pretty regularly, especially when it comes to federal agencies like the ATF or FBI.

> I've got to ask: why exactly shouldn't I shoot back at the cops to defend her life?
Well, between the moral problems of shooting someone in the back to begin with, let alone murder more generally, I think that gives ample cause to say "Do I know the whole situation?" before you do something rash.
'Least that's the case for most of us.
But ultimately, I'm not really inclined to care or otherwise cry about the fate of state actors who regularly step on our rights, so I don't really give a damn. It's no business of mine.

>Why does waring a badge magically make a psychotic abuser not an psychotic abuser?
>And in the case of right-wing gun owners, why does a Trump hat make an psychotic abuser not an psychotic abuser?
If that's what they are, it doesn't.
The question is, however, are they actually psychotic abusers?
Or do you just presume they're psychotic abusers because of the badge or hat that they wear?
Given your statements thus far, I'm more inclined to believe it's the latter.
You don't strike me a reliable character judge.

>Why not shoot back there as well?
Where? When you see someone with a Trump hat on?
Because that'd make you a cold blooded murderer, gunning people down for no other reason than that you dissagree with their politics.
Because you'd be repeating the standard of behavior set by countless who set such divisive standards, labeling their enemies as evil monsters, all, deserving of hatred, each guilty for something you ascribe to them.
Because that's how you get concentration camps and gulags.

But, then, if you're already thinking about shooting people in the back, you're probably not one to dwell on such moral considerations.

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>>10185
>If I see a group of police officers in full riot gear grabbing an elderly black women and pummeling her to the sidewalk as she cries out in pain, being targeted for nothing more than having the wrong message at the wrong place (freedom of speech and assembly be damned), I've got to ask: why exactly shouldn't I shoot back at the cops to defend her life?
If the cops are in the process of unlawfully inflicting serious bodily injury on her, then you may be justified in using deadly force to protect her.  But as a tactical matter, shooting at the cops is generally a mistake.

>And in the case of white right-wing gun owners lining up as auxiliary police, why does a Trump hat make an psychotic abuser not an psychotic abuser?
>Why not shoot back there as well?
You are justified in using deadly force only to protect self or others from imminent risk of death or serious bodily injury.  Otherwise you would be committing murder.

>I don't own a firearm. I'm going to going to get one, personally. This is all esoterica somewhat. But still... it feels important to me.
My advice is to learn the basics of gun safety and usage and take a class to get trained.  Also make sure to learn the law around guns and use-of-force.

 No.10189

>>10186
>>10187
Once again, the double standard.

Cops and their white gun-toting right-wing allies can lie, cheat, steal, rape, murder, and more. That's just how it is. As natural as the rain.

Any effort at self-defense against them is futile. Minorities can't defend themselves in America. We just can't. Us having guns is an invitation for cops and their white gun-toting right-wing allies to abuse us even more. We're already hatred, so why give the bigot with the badge or the Trump hat the ability to legitimately cry out "I had to because they had a gun!"?

The drumbeat continues.

Minorities in America: lambs for the slaughter.

>My advice is to learn the basics of gun safety and usage and take a class to get trained.  Also make sure to learn the law around guns and use-of-force.
I oppose armed resistance when it comes down to it. If it's my time to die, then I'll die. Justice and revenge is up to God. Not me. Life is as delicately beautiful while also fleeting as a freshly-cut flower, and I respect that.

 No.10190

>>10189
>Cops and their white gun-toting right-wing allies can lie, cheat, steal, rape, murder, and more. That's just how it is. As natural as the rain.
According to you, a racist.
I'm not inclined to consider you credible.

 No.10191

>>10189
>Cops ... can lie, cheat, steal, rape, murder, and more
Personally, I support ending qualified immunity for cops.  It is true that cops get away with too many bad deeds.

 No.10192

>>10191
Same here. It's why I consider myself no ally of the police, and ultimately don't give a damn what happens to them.

 No.10193

>>10190
America is a white supremacist society in which white people have more civil rights and human rights than non-white people.

I know that people on the right-wing view accepting this fact as thus "being a racist", but that's on them.

Frankly, I'd think that the killing of Philando Castile, a completely innocent black man who did absolutely nothing wrong but just so happened to have chosen to own a firearm and thus was executed by a biased law enforcement system, would be evidence enough.

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 No.10195

>>10191
When it comes down to it, cops and most U.S. gun-owners sign from the same hymnal.

The fact that the response to the Black Lives Matter demonstrations of 2020 from most gun owners to cops wasn't "stop suppressing the first, second, and forth amendment rights of innocent black Americans" but "please, more jackboots, we need to show these uppity Marxists what real law enforcement is: when the looting starts the shooting starts"... it's extremely telling.

The complete lack of support among most gun owners for even basic police reforms like banning chokeholds is also quite telling.

Just goes to show that if America became some kind of a tyranny that civilian gun owners wouldn't be a problem for the state, if anything having such a massive amont of possible blackshirts to use against minorities would be a bonus.

 No.10196

>>10193
>Frankly, I'd think that the killing of Philando Castile, a completely innocent black man who did absolutely nothing wrong but just so happened to have chosen to own a firearm and thus was executed by a biased law enforcement system, would be evidence enough.
Shit like that happens to whites too.  There was a chance to get real police reform, and the SJWs blew their chance by focusing on racism instead of calling for addressing police abuses in a race-neutral manner.

>>10195
>The complete lack of support among gun owners for even basic police reforms
Friendly Opossum and I just told you that we both support ending qualified immunity!  See >>10191 and >>10192

 No.10197

>>10196
What exactly is your argument?

Non-conservatives should've lied about police abuses in order to get conservatives to support them?

First of all, wouldn't lying have backfired immediately and resulted in widespread mockery?

Second of all, wouldn't conservatives have no reason whatsoever to fall for this scheme?

Conservatives know that the U.S. police and law enforcement system is their ally. Always has been. Always will be. Cops vote Republican. District Attorneys and other elected figures are Republicans. That's how it is.

 No.10198

>>10167
>>10173

To make a proper post, this user has been banned for repeated inflammatory and/or hostile posts.

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>>10197
>Non-conservatives should've lied about police abuses in order to get conservatives to support them?
It's not a lie!  Focusing on the unjust actions (not the racial angle) and realistic ideas for reform (not "defund the police", arson, and looting) would have easily garnered a lot more conservative support

 No.10203

>>10200
Yea, i can get behind this. I consider myself a moderate libertarian, and the way police sometiems behave, and *especially* the awful shit police get away with is appauling, and i was on board at first, but when it quickly devolves into riots and calls for a communist state, that's when they lost me hard.

There's a very reasonable argument to be had about police culture and qualified immunity, but that's typically now what we get from BLM.

 No.10204

>>10203
Same here. Police reform seems pretty vital, as the culture has major issues, not to mention the problem of revenue production causing constant conflicts with citizens.

I hate the racial justice angle, though. Group justice like that never pans out well, and cops are shitty to white folk as well, so I don't see why that can't be combated for all wrong action, without specific race playing a role.

 No.10206

>>10204

The thing about group justice is there's no resolving it. Like, let's assume the govt agreed to give every black person 2 million dollars and build them a nice house. That should reasonably set anyone up nicely, and is reasonable compensation, but does anyone believe for a second that would solve anything in a meaningful way? Nope.


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