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 No.842709[Last 50 Posts]

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 No.842718

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 No.842872

I am confus :derp1:

 No.842905

>>842872
Boat is hoping someone will follow the link and join her game

 No.843029

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>>842872  this: >>842905
>>842905
>her game
well that's a new one...

edit: game is still up by the way

 No.843090

>>843029
Oh, did I do that again?  Sorry

 No.843092

No one wants to play you boat! You're too good!

 No.843093

>>843090  no worries, just seems funny.  People haven't regularly mistaken me for female since before i hit puberty, and people over the phone would call me ma'am.
>>843092  :pinkie5:

 No.843129

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>>843093
>>843092

we won by not playing

I had an excuse, what about the rest of you losers.

 No.843171

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>>843092
>>843129
but I help people, too

 No.843172

You still up for playing?

 No.843175

>>843172  game's still up!

 No.843181


 No.843184

>>843175
>>843181

oh wow, the interface on mobile is buggy as hell. gonna have to download the app. gimme a sec

 No.843190

>>843175
>>843184

fuck, tried downloading when my phone was in the middle of auto updates. This could take a while...

 No.843193

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>>843181
>>843184
>>843190
No rush; the game's already been up for... 13 hours!

 No.843199

>>843193

okay app is installed gonna jump in now

 No.843204

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 No.843214

wow, I feel dumb. I bookmarked the  game in progress but somehow exited and can't find in the app where the bookmarked games are listed ...

 No.843216

>>843214  um...  I'm not sure!  I've never played against someone else in the phone application.

 No.843219

>>843216
I mean, I can open the link in the OP in the app instead of in the browser, but it keeps putting me in as a spectator, not sure how to request a match in that game, if I am even allowed to

 No.843227

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Andrea's pretty good!

 No.843231

>>843227

thank you.

 No.843239

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good games, Andrea!  hope you feel better


https://lichess.org/9nbflGvE

 No.843270

good game, anon!  I was hoping you'd take back your move and swap for the queen.

https://lichess.org/5cj5ijiR

 No.844266

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I prefer global thermonuclear war.

 No.844383

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 No.844462

I have played chess in years... I should probably try to brush up...

 No.844646

Someone accepted the challenge, while both my power and internet were out :twi7:

 No.844797

>>844646
How I am get better at chess?  I am too weak to face you now...

 No.844803

>>844797 how you improve, face your fears, better :twi7:

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>>844803
OK, I will improve my face and fear better!

 No.845507

>>845476 you up for a game?  I'm bored

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>>845507
I sleep now; it is past my bedtime in my timezone.  Perhaps tomorrow?

 No.845515

>>845513 ok, have a good night and improve face!

 No.845998

>>845515
Hey Boat, whenever you're ready, I'm ready.  

 No.846002

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I made a lichess account: https://lichess.org/@/JuanAvieu

 No.846004

>>845998
>>846002
ooo, give me a few minutes  :fluf6:

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>>845998
>>846002
good games!

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>>846006
>>846048
Nice playing with you, Boat!  

 No.847144

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Hey Boat, do you have any suggestions for books or online resources for a novice at chess?

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>>847144  hmmmm.........

Well, assuming you're comfortable with the basic rules already:

If you make an account, lichess actually has a series of lessons for improving your game.  I worked my way through it out of curiosity, and I learned some things I didn't know even after playing for over 2 decades.  It starts with simple concepts and helps you look for patterns you might be missing.  And the advanced techniques are quite useful.  It's worth a look!

A long time ago, I greatly improved my game by working my way through Polgár's massive book of chess puzzles (IRL book), which again, helps you look for patterns and try to checkmate more quickly.  An issue that a lot of newer players have is that they focus more on trying to clear the opponent's pieces than on winning the game, so any sort of "mate in 1/2/3" puzzle will help you in that regard.  If you want to shell out the money to get it, it's a really nice-looking book as well.

Lichess also has a "training" mode, which presents you with situations from real-life chess games (mostly from lichess) and then asks you to consider the board and decide what move to make next.  I'm honestly not great at these (~1400ish rating, depending on whether I've been drinking) and it can be incredibly frustrating if you're like me, but that said, it's good practice anyway.

Finally, playing games with people who give you honest feedback is very useful.  This is why I frequently insist that my opponents (from here at least) take back moves and reconsider positions if I know they're doing something that is counterproductive.  Most people won't do this, but I think it's a lot of fun and changes the dynamics.

And finally, as practice, try changing up your style.  If you want an easy opponent, try a level 1 or 2 lichess AI.  Try a game that's hyper defensive just to see how it goes.  Then try a game where you accept all trades and see how it goes.  Try playing a fully pawn-centric game and see how it goes.  Try playing super-efficient "scientific" chess.  Then try a game of "Romantic" chess (my personal favorite style, even though it often bites me in the ass).

After your games (if you have an account), run a computer analysis and click the "Learn from your mistakes" button.  It's the same as the chess puzzles, except now you get to improve on your own game!  What would have happened if I'd moved here instead of there?  It's a fun little mini-game that you can play after any regular game.

And if you want to try something completely different, look into some non-standard game modes.  Horde mode on lichess can really get you thinking about your pawn game.  King of the Hill will get you thinking about how to improve your board control and positioning.  Antichess encourages you to think about how your moves chain.  Atomic mode forces you to consider all avenues of attack.

Almost all of this is available on lichess obviously, so it's all free.

I hope that helps!

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>>847144  I was just thinking, I'm not an expert by any means, but I'm also at a point where I'm kind of stuck in developing my own skills any further.  Perhaps I have reached my cognitive limits; I really don't know.  I haven't had much luck pushing myself further beyond this point, and I've been at this point for a long while.

Once you understand the strategies well enough, it becomes a game of whoever makes the fewest mistakes wins, and I often find myself making mistakes carelessly, or worse, not even being able to identify my mistakes at all.  It can be really frustrating after a game, to go into "Learn from your mistakes", and be presented with what you think is a perfectly valid move which the AI says is actually a mistake, and have absolutely no idea how to improve on it.  I think this is the sort of case where playing with someone casually, someone who's better and who is willing to teach you (by pointing out mistakes during play), might be useful.  I haven't been on that side of such an experience, though.  Most people simply play to win.

Another thing that I haven't invested much time into is openings.  I recognize that they are important for advanced play, but from the standpoint of someone who still has room to improve, I haven't wanted to focus my efforts here, because I think fundamentals are more important.

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>>847435
I have a similar experience. I think it's oddly poetic that I actually notice a lot of my own mistakes directly after letting go of the piece, and sit there sweating and hoping that the other person just doesn't notice. It highlights that my true biggest mistake is deciding too quickly, which is a tough pill to swallow since I take so damn long to think about most things before making a decision. I've read so many books but I still do this. Against most people I do decently well, especially when I take longer than a minute to decide on a move. However, my brother either knows me very well or is just really good at this game, or both, because he sees all of my mistakes instantly and punishes them ruthlessly. it is not uncommon for him to place a hand over his face, sigh, point at the move I've just made and go "... why?" and when I explain why, he asks if I want him to explain why it's a mistake or just show me. whichever path I take is often infuriatingly eye opening. Still, he does do a wonderful job of explaining good alternatives, but the situations are often so unique to me I just don't know how to move forward.

Also, no, Boat, I'm not interested in a game. You've beaten me very soundly every time we've played, and as I've just explained, I'm not sure what I can learn. It wouldn't be a proper challenge for either of us (another reason why I like Go so much, which involves a handicap system that allows players of different skill levels to challenge each other on a relatively even field.)

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>>847527  If you notice immediately after, there's nothing wrong with asking for a takeback.

Yeah, I know that feeling well.  It's something like "am I really so stupid that I didn't see ______?  when [whoever I'm playing against] saw it instantly?"  Sometimes if I'm playing ranked, I'll just surrender in the middle of a game if I do something like that.  Even worse, I'll go on tilt and my rank will nosedive.  I'll just play game after game and immediately surrender the first time I make a mistake - even if it's like 10 moves in; I suppose that's my way of punishing myself for not being better.

And again, that's why I frequently insist people take back their moves.  I don't know - maybe people don't like when I do this?  I've only ever had a couple of instances where people refused on principle - they wanted to face the consequences of their mistakes.  But I know how demoralizing it is when you make one mistake and then lose the entire game as a result of an imbalance that you can never recover from.  So even if it's still likely I will win in the end, I like to at least make it more even along the way.  I've wondered from time to time if that's just me being selfish, like a cat playing with a mouse a little bit longer, but I don't think so because I'm actually really proud of people who would otherwise have lost - who end up winning against me instead.

I understand why you don't want to play against me.  

If you want to give it another shot at some point, I would recommend telling me who you are if/when you hop into a game.  Often people join my games anonymously and I have no idea who they are.  And since I don't know our history, I go all out in the first game, punish mistakes ruthlessly as you say, and it's likely the person I'm playing against doesn't have a very good time.  But I have a reason for this.  Since I don't know who I'm playing against, I need some gauge of how good that person is, so I can tune my responses in the likely second game.  So then we have a second game, I use similar strategies and the person very likely loses despite my assistance, and then they've had enough and leave.  We can skip that demoralizing first game entirely if I know who I'm playing against and have some idea of our history.  As far as handicaps, if I'm playing against someone who I have a history with, I often take the opportunity to try out batshit crazy openings and see if I can recover from them.  And if someone is willing to commit to a long series of games, sometimes I'll just make a drinking game out of it, and eventually I'll be buzzed or drunk enough that I'll lose regularly.  Maybe you think that's a cheap win, but really, it's just for fun.

I don't post games here because I'm looking for a challenge.  If I wanted a challenge, I'd play a ranked game on lichess, get my ass handed to me, and learn nothing as a result.  I post games here because I like seeing people improve their game, and that's more enjoyable for me than winning.  I don't know if you've ever had this experience against me, but when someone makes a really good effort, recovers from their mistakes, and then we make it to the end game...  if it looks like I'll win anyway, I sometimes just offer a draw.  That's my way of saying "good job".  I don't need that "W" at the end; seeing someone improve their game in real time is more important to me.

Tell me if you think I'm just being selfish here.  I'd really like some feedback from people I've played against.

I've never tried Go before.  Perhaps I should give it a look so we can play a more evenly matched game?

 No.847598

>>847596
There are those who will always see it as cat and mouse, though I do understand where you're coming from. I too hold to the idea of letting my mistakes hurt for the sake of learning (If the stove doesn't burn you, you'll never learn to avoid it when it's hot) however this is mostly for formal games. During a casual or learning game with a more skilled opponent, I suppose I could set it aside. A drinking game sounds interesting. Every time you capture a piece (excluding pawns) you take a shot.

And I'm glad you're interested in Go, though I should warn you it's a completely different animal. The pieces don't move once they're placed, and they're all the same. Plus advanced players regularly plan 30 or more moves ahead. I'm only a novice and I sit comfortably at around 10 moves forward. The only really transferable concept between chess and Go is that strategic position is more important than capturing pieces, and if you let that become your focus you will lose.

 No.847605

>>847598
>There are those who will always see it as cat and mouse, though I do understand where you're coming from. I too hold to the idea of letting my mistakes hurt for the sake of learning (If the stove doesn't burn you, you'll never learn to avoid it when it's hot) however this is mostly for formal games. During a casual or learning game with a more skilled opponent, I suppose I could set it aside.
entirely up to you.

>A drinking game sounds interesting.  Every time you capture a piece (excluding pawns) you take a shot.
more or less!  depends on what you're drinking I suppose.  e.g. when you win a game, you down your drink  :fluf2:

If you want to give that a shot at some point, let me know.  As you can imagine, it's a bit of a time investment.

How far ahead do you typically think in chess?

I'll take a look at Go and at least see if I can learn the basics.

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Is something going on in here?

 No.847649

>>847647  there can be if you like

 No.847654

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>>847649
way too tired to play or anything

 No.847656

>>847654  What are you up to?

 No.847661

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>>847656
midnight pancakes


actually, 1 am pancakes

 No.847662

>>847661  a nice snack

 No.847676

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How the fuck is this a loss?  I'm done.  done!

 No.847688

>>847661
That is awesome. I regret all my life decisions.

 No.847714

>>847676
Ownership dude. You own 1 empty space and they own 4. It does not matter how many of your tiles are down, only how much space you own.

 No.847721

>>847714
That sounds terribly unintuitive!

I'm glad I'm a chess-man

 No.847722

>>847688
you're awesome <3

 No.847731

>>847721
Yeah Go is a different game for sure. Chess is structured much better for my mind.

Fun fact, I have a hard time playing chess online, it's like I need the physical pieces in order to see the game correctly. I wonder if anyone else has that problem.

 No.847736

>>847714  done!

 No.847739

>>847736
Try shogi next, it's way easy better than Go ^_^

 No.847746

>>847743
That's a typo, just meant to say way better, not easier :p

 No.847748

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>>847746  I'll give it a look.

 No.847750

>>847748

Actually meant to say "way way better", but my phone keyboard is a dick and typos turn into random words, lol. It's like chess, except you can spend a turn deploying captured pieces back to the board. And you can do that in literally any open spot! It's like, imagine taking your enemies capture queen and deploying it anywhere on the board! That's crazy right?

 No.847753

>>847750
Deploying it under your control of course. That's why the pieces aren't colored to J he person or the other. They just have a direction they face to indicate ownership.

 No.847754

>>847750  That sounds pretty cool.

 No.847780

>>847750
>>847753
ok, this sounds hilarious  :fluf4:

 No.847781

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>>847676
Thorax is right. Go is about surrounding the most amount of unoccupied space, with as few stones as possible. White here owns 4 spaces, while Black owns 1. White wins. In fact, because Black only has 1 liberty, White owns the whole board. Such a small board though! I didn't know they made them smaller than 10x10.

>>847605
I haven't counted, but typically I plan 3-6 full moves ahead, depending on how many likely responses I perceive. Extrapolating all the possible outcomes is very taxing on the mind.

 No.847789

>>847781  Yeah I just went and filled in all the space...  How does white own the whole board?  That makes no sense.

I'm curious how that differs from Go, because it seems in Go, you might be able to plan your own moves, but planning for responses would be nigh impossible unless you're just going in a line and someone is mirroring you.

 No.847792

>>847789

In go, white would own the whole board because they could potentially capture all the black pieces with one move, and black couldn't possibly respond fast enough to prevent that. Black has only one liberty, if black had two disconnected liberties, white couldn't take any of them because white would not be able to place a piece in either of them since it is against the rules to place a piece in a point completely surrounded by your opponent unless it the last liberty your opponent has. Effectively, it's like all those black pieces are in check, hence why they are considered to belong to white

 No.847794

>>847792  Oh ok, yeah I'm still done with this game.

 No.847799

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>>847794
That's a shame. I would love to show you a few tips and maybe play a teaching game with you. I hope you don't let how different the game is turn you off of it.

 No.847802

>>847794

It's certainly radically different from chess, or any other chess-like game.

I think the reason it's valued as much as it is as a tool for developing strategic thinking is because the sheer number of possible moves that can exist from the opening of the game makes it nearly impossible for an average person to really plan ahead to the point that they don't overlook anything in any move. That means the game can have a massive range of skill levels, and frequently requires one to strategize in a very very different way than in a chess like game, typically in a way that requires one to think more on a big-picture level.

 No.847803

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>>847789
In Go, you can play anywhere, but some places are more sensible to play than others, so understanding the shape of the pieces on the board can give you clues as to where your opponent is likely to go. because the pieces don't move, it becomes easy to imagine a battle spreading across the board when you are able to force them to respond to you, and thus a natural progression of almost 30 moves becomes very easy to imagine. It is not always a straight line, but battles do tend to happen in a single direction sometimes.

 No.847804

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>>847803
gif for context. The first five or so moves are largely unpredictable, but once the close battles begin it's very easy for advanced players to imagine how their opponent might respond

 No.847805

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>>847799  My main issue with it is that it feels like needlessly-complicated Reversi, and the complexity doesn't seem to add anything to the game.  I'd rather just play Reversi.  It also lacks the Romantic element of chess.  My major annoyance with it is that the AI on its lowest setting completely destroys me, and rather than continuing to get pissed off for no reason, I'm just not going to play it.  Perhaps it is more enjoyable against players.  I'll give it a shot and play with you some time if you'd like.
>>847802  I can appreciate that.  I know it took much longer for AI to master it than it did for chess.
>>847803
>>847804
That makes sense.

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>>847805
I'm not sure what sort of romantic element you're talking about but it really is nothing like any other game. Mistaking if for Reversi based on the look of the pieces is understandable, but also a mistake that might cause your strategy to fall short. Go is nothing like anything else. It is a borders game, not an occupation game. You want to surround, not occupy, which I think no other game out there does. Think of it as a series of islands you can build in a vast ocean, and you get points for the amount of ocean surrounded by your islands. If you're up for it, I can show you a few good habits for beginners, and some traps to watch out for that the computer will likely employ, which should get you past at least the first two computer levels.

But I'll let you go for now, then. I would be interested in a game of chess if you're up for it. I go by Chamomile when I decide to keep a name. Most computers rate me at 1200.

 No.847807

>>847805
>It also lacks the Romantic element of chess.

On the contrary, I think it has a massive romantic element to it, if you understand and appreciate the history and culture surrounding it. And, if you play it with a physical board and a bit of understanding of the philosophy behind east asian (especially Japanese) aesthetics, then it has a very rich sort of romanticism behind it all.

 No.847808

>>847807
>>847805

oh yes. I actually have a special board that I only pull out for the more challenging players. It is made of a special traditional Japanese wood, and the pieces have a wonderful feel and heft to them. In fact, I never allow anyone to set anything on top of it other than the stones or the bowls they go in. I love playing on this board, but I save it for special occasions.

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>>847806
>I'm not sure what sort of romantic element you're talking about
>>847807
>On the contrary, I think it has a massive romantic element to it

I mean in contrast to my favorite style of chess, Romantic.  big sweeping moves, bold attacks, risky sacrifices, and unconventional checkmates.  I don't see that mirrored in Go, but maybe I'm just not seeing it.

>>847806  Yeah that makes sense.  I was approaching it like Reversi since on the surface, the mechanics are quite similar.
>If you're up for it, I can show you a few good habits for beginners, and some traps to watch out for that the computer will likely employ, which should get you past at least the first two computer levels.
Sure, I'll take you up on that.
>But I'll let you go for now, then. I would be interested in a game of chess if you're up for it.
sure!  need to walk my dog real fast, or perhaps you meant later.  thank you
>I go by Chamomile when I decide to keep a name.
Ah yes, I thought that was you.
>Most computers rate me at 1200.
Oh yeah?  curious which one(s) since I haven't played against a computer that provided me with a rating.  Every site and system is a bit different depending on the makeup of the playerbase.

>>847807
>>847808
That does sound nice.  I have a very nice wooden chess and backgammon set that I pull out for similar occasions.

 No.847827

>>847818
>I mean in contrast to my favorite style of chess, Romantic.  big sweeping moves, bold attacks, risky sacrifices, and unconventional checkmates.  I don't see that mirrored in Go, but maybe I'm just not seeing it.

Ah, you see that's the difference between a western aesthetic sensibility and an Asian one.

Playing Go is considered just as much an art and a performance as it is a skill in Japan and other parts of Asia where it goes by other names, often times it can be considered more akin to a conversation, or an exercise in a kind of poetry via action. In east asian aesthetic sensibilities, intense emotion is communicated subtly, a lot of the aesthetics revolve around creating an emotional atmosphere. In a game of go, those intense emotions are ultimately revelatory over the course of a game rather than in the immediate. More like, as time moves on, the meaning of each move and what the players are communicating to each other become more apparent and pretty intense over the course of the game as one moves from opening game to midgame and then into end game. Once you can wrap your head around long term strategy in go, then individual moves take on whole new meanings, and that's when moves not only become big sweeping bold moves and attacks as stakes raise over time, but they also become plot twist that change the meanings of what was (thought) to be communicated by past moves.

This is why Go actually makes for great drama in Japanese film, especially old samurai films, and even some anime. It might not seem apparent on the surface because of how subtle it is, but it *can* be intensely emotional and quite romantic ... if you understand the language to it.

And on a related tangent, is it not a reflection of the fundamentally big picture nature of the game when mathematically speaking, it is certainly certainly possible that no two games of Go ever played have ever been played identically? There is no computer on earth that can store all the various possible Go endgames.

 No.847838

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>>847827  I mean..........
That sounds great and all, but it's the difference between making a piece of art with grains of sand vs the stroke of a paint brush.  I'm not saying you can't use sand if you want to, but I'd prefer a paintbrush.
>And on a related tangent, is it not a reflection of the fundamentally big picture nature of the game when mathematically speaking, it is certainly certainly possible that no two games of Go ever played have ever been played identically? There is no computer on earth that can store all the various possible Go endgames.
I think that's more a reflection of the size of the board and the mechanism of placement, but I get what you mean.

 No.847848

>>847838

I mean, there is a certain romantic element to the fact that when your done playing, it is likely you and your opponent have played out a game that no one else has played.

>That sounds great and all, but it's the difference between making a piece of art with grains of sand vs the stroke of a paint brush.  I'm not saying you can't use sand if you want to, but I'd prefer a paintbrush.

I think one of the things that lets Go serve as a great metaphor for character relationships that it has in Japanese films and dramas and such is how it's sort of a reminder that action and conflict is all the more interesting if the meaning in the action is established first.

So like, in a game of go, each stage has a distinctive stage, were early game set ups of long term strategies is akin to establishing and developing the character of both sides of a conflict in a drama so that when they *do* get to the big dramatic romantic parts of the story, a context is established that gives an extra layer of meaning to the exchange when it does become about big gambles and bold moves.

 No.847856

>>847838
if you really want to understand the emotional aspect of Go, there is an entire anime dedicated to it, called "Hikaru no Go" which also showcases many beginner mistakes and techniques as young Hikaru learns to play from a master.

It's not a very popular anime though, so I'll let you judge it for yourself if you want. I did personally enjoy it, but that could be attributed to curiosity and familiarity.

I'm building an image right now of common things to look for in new games.

 No.847857

>>847848  I'll take your word for it, but I have to say that sounds an awful lot like chess.
>I mean, there is a certain romantic element to the fact that when your done playing, it is likely you and your opponent have played out a game that no one else has played.
That's true.

 No.847858

>>847857

Yeah, it's like chess in that way, but it is ultimately like communicating it in a different language that gives the experience a quite different flavor.

If a game of chess is like a movie, then a game of go is like a miniseries with a bunch of related subplots.

 No.847861

>>847856  That's an interesting concept for an anime.
Thank you!
>>847858  That's a nice analogy.

 No.847872

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>>847861
alright, here it is. These are very good traps and techniques for a beginner to know. Keep these in mind and you should be able to defeat the first level computer. let me know if there's anything you don't understand

 No.847875

>>847872  Wow, thanks for putting that together!

 No.847876

>>847875
No problem. Once you've got the hang of that, there are a few more common techniques you'll want to know after you beat the level 1 computer, but they're slightly more advanced and the board is only so large, so I just covered the basics here.

 No.847877

>>847876  where even do I find a level 1 computer?  all I'm playing is https://www.cosumi.net/en/

 No.847879

>>847877
oh. A much better resource would be https://online-go.com/learn-to-play-go/ as it runs you through the basic rules and concepts before allowing you to play a game, and you can play against different ranked computers on different standard board sizes. I recommend a 13x13 board if you're new, or if that's too daunting, a 9x9 board. Smaller than 9x9 is purely for training.

 No.847880

>>847879  I found the one you just linked first.  I don't see any sort of AI mode on the site.

 No.847885

>>847879
>>847880

actually wait, don't do that. Their weakest AI is 8k, which even I can't beat. hmm... it would be best to download a software. A good AI software is http://www.smart-games.com/manyfaces.html

And if you get interested, an SGF editor will allow you to save games and send the .sgf file to someone who can comment on their editor and send it back with advice in different moves.

 No.847890

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>>847885  'the hell does this mean?

 No.847898

>>847890
oh, don't play a ranked game yet. I can explain the time limits if you want but you should play without them if it will let you.
Kyu and Dan are the amateur and Professional Rating systems. A beginner starts at 30Kyu, and the numbers go down as they become more advanced. After a player surpasses 1Kyu, they may take on a Professional Rank of 1Dan, and they will increase up to 9 Dan. 10 Dan is a rank, but that's a grandmaster, and very few have ever existed.

Play with Atari indicated until you learn to recognize it on your own.
Unrandomize the computer for now.

 No.847909

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>>847898  Holy shit I won a game.  It's hard to explain just how furious this game makes me.

 No.847914

>>847909
I'm sorry you don't like it. I do appreciate you giving it a shot.

 No.847917

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>>847914  It's not that I don't like it.  I have anger issues, and this game just brings it out like nothing else I've encountered lately.  I just need to stop playing before I break something.

 No.847918

>>847917
alright. thanks again for giving it a shot. I'm definitely willing to try a chess match with you.

 No.847923

>>847918
>>847917
though I am getting a bit tired. perhaps tomorrow?

 No.847928

>>847918
>>847923
Thanks for explaining the game to me!
Sure, sounds good.  Maybe we can try Go some time as well.  Thanks again

 No.848429

I won a ranked game.  My opponent and I both made several blunders but I pulled through in the end.  Despite the mistakes I felt pretty good about it.  If you want to take a look at the game:
https://lichess.org/3N2GGD0vq8Ec

>unrelated video

 No.848451

>>848429
Oh, a horse opening!

 No.848470

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>>848451  seemed like the thing to do

 No.848630

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>>848470
ah, and I slept through it. I'd be up for a game with you if you're still interested

 No.848632

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>>848630  sure!  no worries
https://lichess.org/pU4Q6mIG
brb

 No.848635

>>848632
I'm in but I can't figure out how to change my name.

 No.848636

>>848635  oh you'd have to make an account  :trixie6:

 No.848637

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>>848636
yeah I'm not doing that if I can just play free. ugh, I hate openings. I never learned how subtly the opening affects the game so I just go with what feels right and get creative later. usually seems to work.

 No.848638

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>>848637  It's free even if you make an account.  you're doing fine  <3

 No.848643

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>>848638
Nice game. I feel so silly for that blunder at the end, but it was kind of you to offer the draw.
https://lichess.org/pU4Q6mIG

 No.848645

>>848643  good game!  I had quite a few blunders myself.  Aside from my queen loss, I think the one that really got me was move 18.  I completely forgot en passant was a thing.  :trixie6:
my pleasure!  :trixie5:

 No.848646

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>>848645
whoa. me too.

 No.848648

>>848646
>>848645
It's easy to analyze after the fact though. Had I not so carelessly thrown away my queen twice (and gotten a takeback), I could consider this a very competent game.

 No.848889

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>>848648  I think you played very well.

 No.848912

>>848645

Wait.  How can you play as well as you do and not remember en passant?

Clearly you have raw talent.  

 No.848939

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>>848912  Sometimes a move is so bold and unexpected that you forget to consider countering it.  It's like when someone moves a piece to threaten you, and you don't even realize you can just take the piece to deal with the threat.  Or when you make a move and then immediately realize "oops, that was dumb..." and the person you're playing against doesn't realize that you did anything wrong.

 No.848998

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>>848939

Back when I was good (meaning I kicked butt among all the idiots I played with) I once clashed with a neighbor's king dad, and ended up with a situation where it looked like he was going to crush me until I stared at it long enough to realize I could just move my king in front of his pawn to prevent its graduation.

Everyone saw it but me and he was so sure he had me and so was I until I FINALLY saw the obvious.

So I remained the best for a while longer, until I met some guys who were pretty good and they mopped up with me real quick.  I couldn't even learn anything from them, they squashed me so fast.


btw I have some ideas for our next clash.  Should keep you entertained I hope.

 No.849014

>>848998  seems like a common progression!
>btw I have some ideas for our next clash.  Should keep you entertained I hope.
ooooooo  :trixie10:

 No.849058

>>848889
Better than the average idiot I guess. There's a lot still I could probably learn, like using a rook to pin down a knight until it's needed to force a queen to move.

 No.849059

I'm about to eat and then head to bed, unless you wanted to try a teaching game of Go

 No.849063

>>849059  I'd be up for that  :d
need about 15 min

 No.849068

>>849067  I'm not in any games right now

 No.849069

>>849063
alright, whenever you're ready hop in
https://online-go.com/game/14906352

 No.849070

>>849069 says I'm not allowed to access the game

 No.849072

>>849070
hmm... are you able to view the challenge board?

 No.849073

>>849072
nvm. I'll have to find a different site. No one seems to understand that this is a private match

 No.849074

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 No.849077

>>849074
sorry about that, here. try this link
https://www.playok.com/en/go/#104

 No.849078

>>849077  when I click guest it takes me to a lobby with a bunch of games

 No.849079

>>849078
try loading the url again

 No.849080

>>849079  it's kicking me back to the lobby

 No.849081

>>849079  what should I do?  :pinkie11:

 No.849082

>>849080
>>849081
I'm pulling up my old FlyorDie account. Sorry this is so much trouble

 No.849083

>>849082  no worries!

 No.849087

>>849083
here. it should let you play as a Guest. go to room 2
http://www.flyordie.com/go/ I'll send you a challenge from there.

 No.849088

>>849087  I'm guest 3400 I think

 No.849090

I can't chat

 No.849091

now it's 3402

 No.849093

>>849091
okay. sorry to jump sites so many times. this one looks decent
http://go.ba.net/stream/game.html?sgf=3qe7d1U3H.sgf

 No.849094

>>849093  where do I join your game?

 No.849095

>>849094
load the game with the provided search bar using this code 4rqTR8q54

 No.849096

>>849095  did that work?

 No.849098

>>849096
I'm not sure. try making a move

 No.849099

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 No.849100

this isn't working.

 No.849101

>>849100  would Many Faces of Go work?

 No.849102

>>849101
no. I'm not sure what to do at this point. This used to be easier

 No.849105

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>>849102  sorry; that first one seemed ok minus the time issue

 No.849106

>>849105
alright. log into PlayOk as a guest, and let me know your guest name. I'll try to send you an invite

 No.849110

>>849106  I think it's ppw4771g

 No.849111

>>849110
huh, I can't invite you. see if you can follow this link
https://www.playok.com/en/go/#210

 No.849112

>>849111  I'm already at 210!  that's weird

 No.849140

I'm back  :fluf1:

 No.849141

>>849140

wanna play?

 No.849150

>>849141  sure, but chess or go?  :fluf2:

 No.849152

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>>849141
wonderful games. I've saved the last two log files if you want to look them over again. They're in standard sgf format. any SGF editor will be able to read them

;B[dd];W[];B[dj];W[];B[jj];W[kd];B[kg];W[fc];B[ec];W[eb];B[db];W[ea]
;B[da];W[ed];B[dc];W[fb];B[fd];W[ee];B[fe];W[ef];B[ff];W[fg];B[df]
;W[eg];B[eh];W[gf];B[gd];W[gc];B[hd];W[hc];B[id];W[ic];B[jd];W[jc]
;B[hf];W[gg];B[ke];W[ld];B[le];W[md];B[me];W[hg];B[ig];W[dg];B[cg]
;W[de];B[ce];W[cf];B[bf];W[df];B[ch];W[cd];B[be];W[cc];B[bd];W[cb]
;B[bc];W[ca];B[bb];W[ba];B[ab];W[gi];B[fh];W[gh];B[gj];W[fi];B[ei]
;W[fj];B[fk];W[hj];B[gk];W[ji];B[ij];W[ii];B[hk];W[hi];B[ej];W[jg]
;B[if];W[jh];B[jf];W[ge];B[he];W[kh];B[lg];W[lh];B[mg];W[mh];B[kj]
;W[mj];B[lj];W[mk];B[lk];W[ml];B[ll];W[mm];B[lm];W[mi];B[dh];W[ik]
;B[il];W[ck];B[dk];W[dl];B[el];W[dm];B[bk];W[bl];B[cj];W[cl];B[bm]
;W[bj];B[ak];W[aj];B[bi];W[al];B[em];W[ai];B[ah];W[];B[];W[];
TW[da][db][dc][ec][dd][fa][ga][ha][ia][ja][ka][la][ma][mb][lb][kb][jb][ib][hb][gb][kc][lc][mc][ak][bk][am][bm][cm]
TB[ac][ad][ae][af][ag][bg][bh][ie][je][kf][lf][mf][ci][di][ek][ik][jk][kk][kl][jl][jm][im][hm][gm][fm][fl][gl][hl][km]
)

;B[dd];W[];B[dj];W[];B[jj];W[kd];B[kg];W[ic];B[jd];W[jc];B[id];W[ke]
;B[je];W[lf];B[kf];W[lg];B[lh];W[mh];B[mi];W[mg];B[ki];W[le];B[hc]
;W[hb];B[gb];W[ia];B[ga];W[gc];B[hd];W[fc];B[ha];W[ib];B[fb];W[eb]
;B[ec];W[ed];B[dc];W[ee];B[fd];W[fa];B[gd];W[de];B[db];W[cd];B[bd]
;W[cc];B[cb];W[ce];B[bc];W[ch];B[dh];W[cj];B[di];W[ci];B[cg];W[cf]
;B[dg];W[bg];B[be];W[bf];B[ef];W[fe];B[ge];W[ff];B[fg];W[gf];B[hf]
;W[gg];B[fh];W[gh];B[gi];W[hh];B[hi];W[ih];B[jh];W[ii];B[ij];W[ig]
;B[if];W[jg];B[ji];W[jf];B[kh];W[dk];B[ek];W[dl];B[el];W[dm];B[em]
;W[df];B[eg];W[fi];B[fj];W[ei];B[ej];W[ae];B[ad];W[af];B[da];W[ea]
;B[ba];W[lc];B[ck];W[cl];B[bk];W[bl];B[ak];W[al];B[bj];W[bi];B[ai]
;W[aj];B[gk];W[];B[];W[];
TW[ga][ha][gb][fb][ja][ka][la][ma][mb][lb][kb][jb][kc][mc][md][ld][me][mf][hc][hd][gd][fd][ge][he][ie][id][jd][je][if][hf][hg][ag][ah][bh][ai][bj][bk][ak][ck][am][bm][cm]
TB[aa][ab][bb][ac][ca][eh][ei][fi][li][lj][kj][kk][jk][ik][hk][hj][gj][hl][gl][fl][fk][fm][gm][hm][im][il][jl][kl][ll][lk][mk][mj][ml][mm][lm][km][jm]
)

 No.849153

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>>849152  thanks again!

 No.849525

I've been wondering, now that AlphaGo Zero can beat the best Go players, is there any game that humans are still the best at?

 No.849531

>>849525  stairs!  :dash3:

 No.849551

>>849531
I guess I meant a formalized two-player game of perfect information, not a video game.

 No.849574

>>849551
>not a video game
but even 1v1 League and DOTA have been effectively conquered as I understand it

 No.849967

>>849574
Do you play chess a lot, Boat?

 No.849968

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>>849967  depends on what you're comparing to.  Would you like to play a game?


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