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We haven't had one of these in a while.

Shouldn't have to be said, but we'll do it anyway-this is a safe space, treat everyone in here with respect and have fun.
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For about two hours I guess.

>The market


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I like to invest a tad bit.


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Oh, THAT Market.

Add another hour to that "will Esh say anything smart" bet


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A bit queasy feeling stomach-wise, so no social activity stuff for me tonight... I guess... alas.

Wednesday, though, there's somewhat locally an LGBT support group meeting that I really plan on attending. I so need to go to something like soon. Should be great.


Have fun with that


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You beat me to it.

But I don't like kissing so it was bound to happen.


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Oh my goddamn God, again.

I have been anon-ing in several threads today for hours without noticing


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nobody knows anything until they try it!

an accidental secret agent! hidden in plain sight ^_^


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Anyone up for late/early tea/coffee?
another sickday with a smokers cough and might be home this week as well


Secret Agent Man
Secret Agent Man
They've given me a number
And taken away my name


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Heheh. Well in all fairness, she did say she would like to kiss me soon~ So it wasn't like I didn't see it coming!~ I had the chance to back out!~ I just didn't wanna :P
Oh really? I would have thought for sure you had me beat on that!

Honestly though, I haven't done a whole lot of kissing. I thought I didn't like it; turns out I was just missing the being comfortable part.
Mm, tea sounds nice-only cause I'm heading to bed though. No caffeine for me.


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Aaw, hope you will have a good night of sleep then


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can't stay up too late! i need to nod off in about half an hour

i'd watch a james bond staring you as james bond ^_^

kisses and other intimate things definitely are better in the comfy and romantic moments <3


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Awh im sorrie.


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Yeah, I've only done a little bit of kissing and it was only a boy. Boowomp.


I guess something had to kill the franchise eventually.


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Been having some new experiences over the past...few weeks probably. Been so busy it's a little hard to keep track of time.

That old phrase keeps coming back to me, of what a friend once said, about how you can sympathize but not quite empathize until you've actually experienced something first hand.

While my family took it really well-me telling them I have both a girlfriend and boyfriend now, my partners families...did not. It's been very rough watching them go through the wringer, especially with my girlfriends family. She warned me it was not going to be good, but none of us expected how bad it would actually get...

I don't know. It's difficult to fight feelings of, you're doing something wrong, when a lot of people are expressing anger and hurt. Even my girlfriend and I have had thoughts and talks of, "maybe this was a mistake".

All three of us sat down and had dinner and talked about it and we feel better now, but eck. It's still a nasty feeling in my gut, especially seeing them in pain. If they had not specifically warned me it was going to get bad, and asked that I be there for them through the thick of it, I think I would have ran away or tried to back away.


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oh ella...


i'm so sorry your girlfriend and you had to deal with that. running into such hateful people is always awful, but ten fold when it's your family, the people who are supposed to love you unconditionally

but your love is NOT a mistake! your love is beautiful and should be celebrated!

and never let those who are stuck in the past dictate your present and ruin your future!

your partners are blessed to have you, and you are blessed to have them, and with them you can withstand any darkness and hatred that comes your way


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Thank you old friend...

It just sucks right now, you know? Especially when I don't really feel like I'm worth...some of the things her family has done to her. Her brother cut ties with her because of this, and while I still want to hold out hope that this is just a temporary thing and he'll come back around, there's a small chance he won't.

Hearing that really shook me and it took a lot of convincing from my boyfriend that it's going to be okay. I almost lost my sister because of the relationship I was in, but even then she didn't cut me out of her life. I still knew deep down that I could still call her in the middle of the night... Watching the pain on my girlfriends face made me feel sick to my stomach.


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...time and perspective will help, ella... whatever happens, at least know, you are not to blame. you have moved from hardship to hardship, dear friend... always having to soak up the problems and dysfunctions of others, without having room for yourself in the equation.

...you do not deserve a nasty feeling, ella. i am scared, you will end up the point of contention, despite also being... the most vulnerable.


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oh dear, im sorrie to read that
*hugs and holds*


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wait woff...
the only time to cut ties with your family´s if they done something completely awful. Like Murder or... as trying to saw of a continent just because there are to may animals or... i unno

but for one to get together with someone else they dun like?

is it so hard to say " i dun like that person but i keep my thoughts to my self". and trying to be supportive for my family member?

Or was i raised wrong?


The things other people do are on them, not on you. You can't blame yourself for others.


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Point of contention?

...I'm sure things will be okay in the end. It's just difficult right now. They asked me not to leave, though, so for the time being I just want to be here for them. And I'm still focusing on my own life things too. Got a new vehicle and all that jazz.

Both of their families are religious, and that is the thing that seems to be playing a factor in it. Both families (not all of the family mind you, just some), are very disturbed and disagree with this. They consider it wrong. But some of them are also afraid, and I can get where they are coming from.

They believe in heaven and hell and fear this might lead some people to actually going to hell, so it's a legitimate concern in their eyes. Some of the other family though, in my opinion, it's just hurting their image and ego.

Just spoilering a bit because I don't want this to turn into a town hall subject, I just want to add enough context to understand where everyone's coming from.


I know... I do know. It just hurts knowing you're the factor in the equation that caused the chaos and disruption.


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Again, I don't want to talk for anyone I don't know, but from past experiences... If the people who are supposed to love and care for her will treat her like that over a deviation then you're more of a respite than an instigator.


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well... that explains some stuff, not giving em right. but giving me a understanding. it´s sad to see such behavoir.

But remember this! those "rules of the relgion" are nothing but a "theoretical plane" and for some to seek answers during hard times. but that doesn't give em any rights to treat anyone like this. i mean GOD judges THE person. not the person they hang out with. easy for me to say for being a swedish "Christian" that doesn't care bout it all that much

You haven't done anything wrong. and you will NEVER do wrong as long you keep both your partners safe, loved and cared!

P.S update since i missworded some things


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Bah, issues with mood swings, energy swings, periods of badly messed up vision, insomia, and the like have kept me from being socially engaged for the past several days despite a variety of events going down, particularly LGBT support related things.

On the plus side, I should be able to go to something Sunday afternoon. And also spend some time relaxing with my step-dad. Or maybe I might pick one over the other. Should be a positive day.


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sorrie to read bout the bad mood swings, hope you can reacover from it and doing better soon.


Thankfully I've prepared long lists of hematologists and neurologists to set up appointments with Monday, or at least there's enough information to get the balls rolling.

I'll survive.


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It´s an start. and that´s often the thoughtest part at times.. getting to get started!
wishes you the best!


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Thank you guys
Im late to the party, but I'm sorry that's going on.
That's good! It's really hard to get things done when you don't feel good, but getting out of the slump, even if it's hard, is worth it.


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we here for you all! so please know that you are not alone. and have a wordly shoulder to lean onto! please. stay strong and yall stay safe <3


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i am afraid... family will turn their anger at you. and that ... new significant others... may buckle, and also not treat you well, ella.

you be safe, okay? ...in loving your new significant others... please do not forget to love yourself :c


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I have nothing smart or remotely helpful to say. I am just sorry this is going on


i made a video for Trans Awareness Week, and i hope you enjoy it as well ^_^


Well, I suppose that doesn't have to be a fear for you Moony. My boyfriend's family has actually been mostly accepting, with only one person it seems being upset/fearful for him, but still treating me with respect and wanting me to come to the Thanksgiving dinner. And my my girlfriends family...well she basically took a stand against them. She's especially...upset, now, about everything that's going on between her brother and herself.

She feels like her mother turned her brother against her, and that was the last straw so to speak

But thank you Moony, and I will remember to take care of myself too. I've been spending more time with my own family, and that's been really nice :)
It's okay Esh, I still appreciate the support.
Thank you Groovebug, I will
Oh? Lemme see! :rara6:


I did not expect to cry when I woke up today

And yet I do not regret a second of it :rara3:


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sorry for the tears, but i'm glad you enjoyed it

i hope you had a good day <3


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Well, I could've gone to this LGBT related event this afternoon as well as then spend some time with my step-dad later to do errands, but throughout this afternoon and into the evening I felt so tired, cold, and sick to my stomach that I just stayed at home. Oh, well. Monday should be much better.

At the same time, my goodness, I was not expecting to get the news about the stopped-at-the-last-moment attempted anti-Semitic terrorist attack in New York as well as the successful anti-LGBT terrorist attack in Colorado. So sorry to hear about both things. Both stories hit me especially hard given how extremely introverted I am plus other struggles, so being able to be open about myself in public is a tremendously huge deal way more than most. I hope that the two things lead to some kind of peace for all those involved.


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As a trans person who is also gay and poly, I have one thing I can say, and that is: Never let family get in the way of love and who you are.


Losing family because of stuff like this can be really hard, but people that abandon you because of it don't deserve to be your family.

Family isn't just blood, family is what you make of it. People may lose some family, but they may also gain new family.


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*hugs* thank you Jade/Roxie

I hope my family can replace a hole for her. Out of everyone, I thought it would be my aunt who would be freaked out/act like an asshole, but she was immediately super welcoming and relaxed and even made a point of saying she liked my girlfriend.


I really hope that this all works out!


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Now I'm kind of curious and I risk getting rightfully hated by a bunch of people here, but I'm kind of curious how polyamory would work in a family setting.

I know there's the concept of open relationships, where you kind of have a main partner, but you're not really exclusive and can date other people on the side.
I suppose you will still have a main partner that you will take to social events. Or maybe you just interchange partners loosely from one event to the next.

But are there also the kind of polyamory where you are really having a close relationship with multiple people at once? In such case, would it be like you showing up at a family event with like 5 or 6 adults where they're all equal as romantic partners?
I can imagine that that would be kind of weird, especially in a modest household.


Oh, like the FTX polycule?


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Technically the latter of what you described is the usual polyamorous (or polygamous) relationship, while an "open" relationship is less usual, not always considered true polyamory by some (though, technically, it is).

But otherwise, essentially, yes that would be how it is.

Family life as a poly group can be very similar to family life as a mono couple. It could also be very different. At the moment, only New York recognizes polycules as on the same grounds as regular relationships, other states don't. And thats only recently. So it can be pretty complicated. A polycule that wants to have kids and such would have to be two parents who have and raise the child and then the other members wouldn't be recognized by the state. It can make things pretty difficult.

(the reason the government doesnt like polygamy is for money reasons, anyone who pretends its anything different is stupid)


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At least that sounds like a positive in all of this.


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>But are there also the kind of polyamory where you are really having a close relationship with multiple people at once? In such case, would it be like you showing up at a family event with like 5 or 6 adults where they're all equal as romantic partners?
>I can imagine that that would be kind of weird, especially in a modest household.

To my understanding (which I'm still very new to all this and only loosely understood polyamory before), there are people who do that. Personally I would find it very difficult just on a time basis and switching between wanting equal amounts of attention from the people I love for a good few days out of the week, and then needing a good solid chunk of the week to be me and have my own time. Right now I feel like that balance has been struck very well.

Having kids involved l, I imagine, could both complicate things but maybe also be okay? Like, you would definitely have enough help raising the kid/kids, so long as healthy relationships we're going on.

Yea, it is :coco1:


The world and people in it can always surprise us - wether it's positive or negative.

I'll probably never experience things like what you're going through now, but I do find that it's important to remember that the former happens more often than we like to think.

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