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 No.1103196

If you don't own a house, do you ever feel bad that you don't? Do you wish for a house that you call your own with a lawn that expresses yourself? Same thing with a backyard that expresses yourself? Do you just not own enough physical possessions to, as standard morality states, make yourself happy?

If you don't have a steady job, do you feel bad about that as well? Do you think about having a life-time career at one place? Making bonds with coworkers that last a while?

If you don't have a wife or husband, do you feel bad about not being married? Do you think about how according to traditional morality you may be 'fornicating' and 'living in sin'? Do you feel deprived psychologically for not having a spouse?

What about the general, traditionalist American view that your house, job, and spouse are required to be the sources of your happiness in your life? Do you not agree with it? Are you some kind of a free-thinking anarchist?

 No.1103199

>>1103196
>If you don't own a house, do you ever feel bad that you don't?
Yeah, I kinda want to buy a house.  Better sound isolation than an apartment.  Also, I'd like a garage in the winter, and a private washing machine and dryer.

>Do you wish for ... a lawn that expresses yourself?
No.  I'd rather get something low-maintenance.  

>Same thing with a backyard that expresses yourself?
No, I'd be happy with just a generic backyard.

>Do you just not own enough physical possessions to, as standard morality states, make yourself happy?
I don't think a lack of physical possessions is causing me unhappiness.  My car is almost 20 years old, but it still works well enough, and I'm familiar with its controls.  Even if I won the lottery, I wouldn't be a rush to replace it with a newer, more expensive car.

>If you don't have a steady job, do you feel bad about that as well?
N/A

>Do you think about having a life-time career at one place?
I'm open to switching jobs, but I'm also happy where I am now.

>Making bonds with coworkers that last a while?
Yes, I think that's a valuable thing.

>If you don't have a wife or husband, do you feel bad about not being married?
No.

>Do you think about how according to traditional morality you may be 'fornicating' and 'living in sin'?
No.

>Do you feel deprived psychologically for not having a spouse?
No.

>What about the ... view that your house, job, and spouse are required to be the sources of your happiness in your life? Do you not agree with it?
I do not agree with it.

>Are you some kind of a free-thinking anarchist?
No.  I am free-thinking, but I am not an anarchist.  I think that there should at least be a minimal state.

 No.1103200

>If you don't own a house, do you ever feel bad that you don't?

Uh, no?  Why would I feel bad about not owning a home?

>Do you wish for a house that you call your own with a lawn that expresses yourself? Same thing with a backyard that expresses yourself?

Lawns are awful wastes of space and time.  Literally some bullshit rich people made up to show how much space and time they could waste because they had so much extra.  Under no circumstance would I ever want a lawn.

>Do you just not own enough physical possessions to, as standard morality states, make yourself happy?

I'm...pretty sure that's antithetical to "standard morality".  Popular philosophy these days is I think more of a shift to something like Buddhism, albeit still within the confines of our consumerist society.  But as much as we still tend to buy a lot of things, I don't think we gauge our happiness with our clutter.  Marie Kondo's recent popularity is a good example.

>If you don't have a steady job, do you feel bad about that as well? Do you think about having a life-time career at one place? Making bonds with coworkers that last a while?

Well I do have a steady job with some strong co-worker bonds, that's pretty great.  I'd recommend it.

>If you don't have a wife or husband, do you feel bad about not being married?

Definitely not, no.  A spouse would be too much work to try to force to happen, and I hate weddings, besides.

>Do you think about how according to traditional morality you may be 'fornicating' and 'living in sin'?

I don't think I'm "living in sin".  If anything my abstience might be considered priestly.

>Do you feel deprived psychologically for not having a spouse?

I think I have close friends that fill the needs of a traditional spouse.  Definitely one in particular that's been that way for probably over a decade now, even if we don't live literally together right at the moment.

>What about the general, traditionalist American view that your house, job, and spouse are required to be the sources of your happiness in your life?

I think that's long since died.  The generation above mine didn't have too great a time with it, so our generation hasn't even tried.

>Do you not agree with it? Are you some kind of a free-thinking anarchist?

Yes, it just so happens I am an anarchist!

 No.1103201

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Don't have a house, not really bothered by that.

I've got plenty of things, but the question is weird to me. Implying you just need a large enough quantity of stuff to be happy. I dunno if that's what you are really trying to say. I have too much stuff to be happy if anything.

Have a steady job, probably would be unhappy to not have work to do

Have a partner but wouldn't be bothered being single

Happiness is whatever you want it to be. Using someone else's definition of happiness is a bad decision to make.

 No.1103203

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>If you don't own a house, do you ever feel bad that you don't?

Yes and no, I don't feel like some sort of moral failure for not owning one, but having a place I have more control over than a rental unit would be a whole lot nicer, plus it would be nice to have a lot more space than most apartments offer for some things.

>Do you wish for a house that you call your own with a lawn that expresses yourself? Same thing with a backyard that expresses yourself?

Self expression? I mean, I might prefer not to have a lawn, I have no desire to express myself via my lawn, front or back. Seems like it's more effort than it's worth. I might like a back lawn for something like a place for a bird sanctuary and a collection of parrots, like turn it into a giant bird cage like they might have at the zoo.

>Do you just not own enough physical possessions to, as standard morality states, make yourself happy?

What the fuck kind of standard is that? Seriously fuck capitalism. I have no moral obligation to own shit and simply owning shit doesn't make me happy. I mean, owning means for activities that are pleasurable to me are generally more pleasurable than just owning shit.

>If you don't have a steady job, do you feel bad about that as well?

Sorta, I feel bad that I can't function indendendly. Partly guilt, partly fear.

>Do you think about having a life-time career at one place?

I used to think about things like that. A sense of security and certainty would be nice and soothing, but also deeply boring to me. I guess I wouldn't have minded being a professor at a research university working on lots of interesting reseaerch projects, but that's pretty much a pipedream.

>Making bonds with coworkers that last a while?

I'm niot good at making bonds with people who just so happen to be assigned to me. I would much rather build bonds with people I select for myself. So I don't care about this one.

>If you don't have a wife or husband, do you feel bad about not being married?

During the first 30 years of my life when I was single, I never once felt guilty for not being in a relationship or being married. I don't feel like I have any moral obligation to be married. Fuck Christian morality, fuck capitalism.

>Do you think about how according to traditional morality you may be 'fornicating' and 'living in sin'?

HA ! Before the age of 30, I was a virgin, I had never been in a relationship before. But even if I hadn't been a virgin in my 20s, I wouldn't have cared.

>Do you feel deprived psychologically for not having a spouse?

I was certainly lonely most of my life before I was in a relationship, more so buy the end of my 30s than the beginning of it. And yeah, I did certainly feel psychologically deprived in the sense like I feltl like I was in a state of arrested development, not really knowing how to connect be truly emotionally intimate with others. But that's not a product of loneliness alone but also the product of a lot of childhood emotional, psychological and social traumas.

>What about the general, traditionalist American view that your house, job, and spouse are required to be the sources of your happiness in your life? Do you not agree with it?

Not in the fucking least. I spent too much of my life watching my father be miserable as hell despite achieving all of that. He had a house, a great job as a lawyer and a wife and three kids and it didn't do shit to lessen his sense of self loathing or his constant dissapointment with the reality of those achievements or how those very things were the source of a lot of his misery. It did nothing to make him not hate himself for not achieving as much as he dreamed, and certainly didn't help him when he would spend an inordinate amount of time feeling dissapointed with us for not being ideal children. And it sure as fuck never stopped him from beating my mother and occaisionally beating us or punishing us for his dissapointments. Seriously, fuck this goddamn narrative. Fuck America, Fuck capitalism. Happiness is going to be different for everyone.


>Are you some kind of a free-thinking anarchist?

I'm getting really close to being a full blown anarchist at this point. Capitalism is imploding on itself in it's dangerous underestimation of human greed's capacity to destroy capitalism from within.

 No.1103204

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>>1103196
[Answering it myself:]

>If you don't own a house, do you ever feel bad that you don't? Do you wish for a house that you call your own with a lawn that expresses yourself? Same thing with a backyard that expresses yourself? Do you just not own enough physical possessions to, as standard morality states, make yourself happy?

I'd somewhat like to have a house in the sense that I'd like to share my space with, ideally, multiple big pets. Like multiple large dogs. Maybe Golden Retrievers. It also would likely be positive for health reasons to have a roommate of some kind in case of personal emergencies.

At the same time, though, the consumerist impulse that you've got to have a big, fancy home that's all stereotypical is pure B.S. Forget that traditionalist garbage. Stay where you need to stay.

I'd like a backyard and lawn maybe from the point of view of wanting to take care of animals that would probably enjoy such spaces. Not so much for myself, though. Too much work and environmentally horrid.

There are a lot of physical possessions that I'd like to have that I don't have, but it's a safety and security thing mostly. Like, for example, I'd like to have a large air filter. I'd also like to humidify the air where I'm at as well. Generally, though, I very much don't agree with the capitalist mindset that more idle, random stuff makes you a more happy, pleasant person. To hell with that.

 No.1103205

>>1103204
>At the same time, though, the consumerist impulse that you've got to have a big, fancy home that's all stereotypical is pure B.S. Forget that traditionalist garbage. Stay where you need to stay.

Tinyhomes!

 No.1103224

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tbh i still feel like an 18 year old, waiting for the right moment to actually become an adult ><

i don't need a grand home, but having a place of my own that i keep up and pay for with a good income would more than make me happy.

i never really had a stable career, but rather career paths that were always supplemented by other small jobs and the grace of my dad letting me live at home so much. I do hope one day to break into something that allows me to do what i love AND support me financially. but until then, i'm a 30 year old woman/man child at home with their dad ><

i do long for love, but i feel that i can't really be a good partner as i am now, and i focus on my work to make that happen. I would love to have a partner that loves me and have mutual support and connection that eventually leads to marriage or somethin.

as for "core american values" or "traditional morality" i don't really give a shit. My thing is that any relationship that is healthy is a good one, whether it is open, monogamous, very sexually driven, or no sex at all. i don't care for the role so much as i wish for that connection and the right feel of it all.

i'm not an anarchist, but i do put it above totalitarianism. i am more of a supporter of social democracy. make sure that people can live and exist and have the tools to thrive without having the rugs ripped from under them. and also actually fix major problems without having to kow tow to billionaire jerks that can feed an entire world in one day of profit.

as for happiness, i just want to feel like i'm making an impact and leading the life i feel will be my gift to all the world. any and everything else would a bonus.

 No.1103225

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>if you don't own a house, do you ever feel bad that you don't?

Eh, not really. The housing market is pretty garbage in a lot of places, and that's largely a macro problem of people not living in the family home  for multiple generations like use to happen. I can always just inherit dad's house when he passes, and i'm living there now, and we've gotten the payments very low, so we've got that figured out.

>Do you wish for a house that you call your own with a lawn that expresses yourself?

Lawns are the ultimate symbol of conformity, they're not for expression, they use to be a symbol of wealth, but lost their meaning centuries ago. We just follow them out of some sick impulsive tradition.

>Same thing with a backyard that expresses yourself?

Nice to have enough room to run around and host parties and stuff, sure.

>Do you just not own enough physical possessions to, as standard morality states, make yourself happy?

Nah, i have enough of those. Other things prevent me from being happier.

>If you don't have a steady job, do you feel bad about that as well?

I do.

>Do you think about having a life-time career at one place?

I generally have that, but i also recognize that's a bygone era. Internal promoting and "moving up the ladder" are largely relics of the boomer era. These days, credentialism, "experience" (code for we only hire boomers), and a strong production record rule.

>Making bonds with coworkers that last a while?

That would be nice. I get along well with my co-workers, but it's often tough going from professional politeness to genuine connection.

>If you don't have a wife or husband, do you feel bad about not being married?

There's a lot to unpack there. Short answer is i guess i'd like a wife, but don't see it as a realistic option for me, for various reason.

>Do you think about how according to traditional morality you may be 'fornicating' and 'living in sin'?

I'm not fornicating, so no there, but living in sin? That's a big yea, but i don't wanna hear that from the people who caused the dark ages, and that's typically the people spouting that stuff.

>Do you feel deprived psychologically for not having a spouse?

Eh... Not really. I'd like a partner who i love and be loved by and stuff, but i know that realistically there's a lot of asterisks there, and i don't see the realistic result, that of maintaining a sort of pseudo-love that looks like love if you squint and ignore some things, on the condition of various forms of servitude.

>What about the general, traditionalist American view that your house, job, and spouse are required to be the sources of your happiness in your life?

Living in a house is nice. I'm happier there than i would be in a cramped apartment beholden to a landlord. Money is nice, so having my job means me having money is nice.

>Do you not agree with it?

I think it's a bit restrictive, but i think they're on the right track. I think you're happier with a purpose, money, place you can call your own, and people who love you. I don't think that always has to look like a nuclear family in the suburbs, but i do think that is one of many legitimate ways that can be done.

>Are you some kind of a free-thinking anarchist?

Not really? I think anarchism is legitimate, don't get me wrong, but i don't think i'd call myself an anarchist. I think it probably ends up collapsing into corporate oligarchy given enough time, and those suck.

 No.1103227

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>If you don't own a house, do you ever feel bad that you don't?
I'm very clearly never going to be able to. I'd like to have something a little more than my one-room apartment. A dedicated room for recording or keeping my collections would be nice, for instance. But it ain' ever happening.

>Do you wish for a house that you call your own with a lawn that expresses yourself? Same thing with a backyard that expresses yourself?
I can barely keep house, you think I could arse myself to manage any kind of lawn?

Do you just not own enough physical possessions to, as standard morality states, make yourself happy?
> I have a fair few things, sure. Consoles, a decent if old TV, collections of movies, games, figures, comics, books... all that is nice. There's of course always more I'd like, and I'd especially love to have higher-end computers and tablets to work with. Not that I'd ever have the skill to justify them anyway.

>If you don't have a steady job, do you feel bad about that as well?
World likes to make sure I do. I do have something resembling oen now after being out of school for seven years, and I will make approximately what I did on welfare, just without the safety net of having someone whose job it is to help me out. Whee.

>Do you think about having a life-time career at one place? Making bonds with coworkers that last a while?
Unlikely. I don't function in some kind of 9-5 office setting, nor do any of these kinds of places warn me when I work through the nausea enough to apply. Too bad everything around me is built on the expectation of having that and the salary that comes with it.

>If you don't have a wife or husband, do you feel bad about not being married?
Not really. Marriage is nice and all power to those that want it and do it - I'll be there at the wedding. But I don't see signing a piece of paper as this all-time end-goal that is the only way any one relationship can ever be considered 'real'.

>Do you think about how according to traditional morality you may be 'fornicating' and 'living in sin'?
Bold of you to assume I have any kind of sex life. That would require attraction to me being a thing that exists at all.

>Do you feel deprived psychologically for not having a spouse?
Sometimes, though not "spouse" exactly. I don't believe in marriage as a necessity. I am just also pretty aware I have nothing to offer for any kind of partner, have no idea of I am generally aromantic or not and have never been given any reason to believe anyone could possibly want me anyway.

>What about the general, traditionalist American view that your house, job, and spouse are required to be the sources of your happiness in your life? Do you not agree with it?
Well I'm not American, but no, the classic picket fence life is of no real interest to me. It is to everyone else though, and everything is life is built around assuming this is where you'll be at, so it's super fun to be looked at weird for not doing so, or having the capability to do so even if you wanted to.

>Are you some kind of a free-thinking anarchist?
Hardly.

 No.1103267

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>If you don't own a house, do you ever feel bad that you don't?
No, because I want to own the house I grew up in once my parents die, because I like the house and location out in the country.

>Do you wish for a house that you call your own with a lawn that expresses yourself?
Lawns are overrated, living in more forested environment is preferable.

>Same thing with a backyard that expresses yourself?
Back yards are for privacy, not for expression.

>Do you just not own enough physical possessions to, as standard morality states, make yourself happy?
Possessions don't make me happy, they facilitate activities that do to some degree or another.

>If you don't have a steady job, do you feel bad about that as well?
N/A.

>Do you think about having a life-time career at one place?
I'd like a job that actually uses my degree, yes.

>Making bonds with coworkers that last a while?
Building a rapport with one's coworkers is a necessary step to ensure work is a tolerable place to be, yes.

>If you don't have a wife or husband, do you feel bad about not being married?
No. It's complicated. I'm not against getting married but I'm not exactly clamoring to do so. Right now my life certainly isn't in a place to think about that.

>Do you think about how according to traditional morality you may be 'fornicating' and 'living in sin'?
Kinda? It's more something I need to be conscious of in public than something I'm worried about in private.

>Do you feel deprived psychologically for not having a spouse?
Absolutely not. I'm in a long-term relationship, but I'd be fine on my own.

>What about the general, traditionalist American view that your house, job, and spouse are required to be the sources of your happiness in your life?
Not how I conceptualize America. It's fine for some people.

>Do you not agree with it?
It's not for me, but it seems to be good for some people and they're welcome to do so.

>Are you some kind of a free-thinking anarchist?
I'm free thinking in that I have no desire to follow the crowd and am more about doing my own thing, but I'm opposed to anarchism.

 No.1103287

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I am some kind of free thinking anarchist.

 No.1103289

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[Continued:]

>If you don't have a steady job, do you feel bad about that as well? Do you think about having a life-time career at one place? Making bonds with coworkers that last a while?

The chances of me, with my various illnesses, working a traditional job in the sense of having a standard commute with standard hours is nonexistent. However, I'd very much like to go back to part-time work. Especially when it comes to being around positive co-workers.

It's great to be able to bond with people emotionally that you see every other day. Doing some more nonprofit volunteering would also be nice. Unfortunately, getting my career situation into something that I can progress has been like pulling teeth this year. Still working on it all.

 No.1103291

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>>1103287
I think of myself more as "civically challenged"

 No.1103292

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[Continued:]

>If you don't have a wife or husband, do you feel bad about not being married? Do you think about how according to traditional morality you may be 'fornicating' and 'living in sin'? Do you feel deprived psychologically for not having a spouse?

I'd love to have a serious, meaningful relationship with somebody in person where we do all sorts of things together both offline and online. I really don't know if that's in the cards for me. People drift in and out of my life. I just try to survive.

In the long-run, though, I'd particularly like to get married. Not in terms of traditional Christian morality, of course, which is evil and toxic. More in terms of a life-affirming celebration of existence and love in terms of a small, relaxed ceremony without fuss.

I do feel bad being an ex-Christian living in a country where it's not just socially expected that everybody is a devout Christian but in which forcing Christian doctrines on others against their will is standard. I frequently think about the notion of being inferior due to my status as a "heathen" "sinner" and whatnot. This will probably improve over time, though. It's already improved dramatically over my own lifespan, I think. Still, if the opportunity posed, I'd probably enjoy quite a lot moving to another country that's got far less religious dogma and more individual freedom.

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>>1103291
Challenging civics is how it starts. Next thing you know, you're part of some rebels.

 No.1103309

>>1103287
some kind?
that's the best kind according to the compoundary

 No.1103315

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No i dont feel bad about any of this.

 No.1103348

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I'm grateful for what I have, thank you.

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>>1103309
More qualifiers means more qualifications right?

 No.1103406

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>If you don't own a house, do you ever feel bad that you don't? Do you wish for a house that you call your own with a lawn that expresses yourself? Same thing with a backyard that expresses yourself? Do you just not own enough physical possessions to, as standard morality states, make yourself happy?
No, not really. That's never bothered me. There's nothing wrong with living in an apartment, or something like that. There are far more interesting ways to express yourself with possessions and real estate. And either way, I think it's a bit of a stretch to say that morality dictates it. It's a matter of keeping up with the Joneses". Like the "American Dream".

>If you don't have a steady job, do you feel bad about that as well? Do you think about having a life-time career at one place? Making bonds with coworkers that last a while?
I guess having bonds with coworkers is nice, but they rarely seem last. I can say this from personal experience, but of course YMMV. And while I do want a life-time career, that's not really tied to feeling obligated.

>If you don't have a wife or husband, do you feel bad about not being married? Do you think about how according to traditional morality you may be 'fornicating' and 'living in sin'? Do you feel deprived psychologically for not having a spouse?
I do occasionally feel a little lonely, not being in a committed relationship, but not about being married.

>What about the general, traditionalist American view that your house, job, and spouse are required to be the sources of your happiness in your life? Do you not agree with it? Are you some kind of a free-thinking anarchist?
I wouldn't call myself a "free-thinking anarchist", but societal expectations shouldn't dictate your goals.

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I own a house.

I had a steady job, but gave it up for not dying every day.

>Do you feel deprived psychologically for not having a spouse?
Not unless they're handing them out. Last I saw in the dating scene it was pretty bad.

It's one persons version of happiness, sure.

 No.1103506

I have nothing a normal person is supposed to have. No job, no home, no significant other. I feel very bad about this because my basic needs are not being met.

 No.1103508

>>1103506
fuck, not even roof-over-your-head-home?


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