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Do male trainers cuddle with their gardevoirs and tenderly kiss them? Do gardevoirs enjoy such activities with their trainers? Or do they just go along to make their masters happy?
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Good question! What do you think female trainers do with their gardevoirs?
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Most trainers are friendly with their pokemon. Cuddles are definitely part of it. As for kissing, it depends on the context. A gentle kiss on the cheek, probably. Anything more than that is frown upon, I would think.
As for consent, a Gardevoir could literally attack your mind (https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Psychic_(move)
), eat your dreams (https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Dream_Eater_(move)
) or kiss you back (https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Draining_Kiss_(move)
) If you did anything it wasn't consenting to.
Or it could, you know, DROP THE MOON ON YOU. (https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Moonblast_(move)
I haven't played Pokémon in ages nor seen the anime in years.
I pressume trainers simply keep 'em in the pokéballs like any other pokémon.>>1060040
Wouldn't it need to know those moves first before it could do any of those things?
Or are pokémon capable of abilities that are natural to it and can only use them through TMs, HMs or learning by itself?
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3. They'd do that, but see 2.
Also, this is some hardcore Goddamn furry-bait, holey moley... and I love that...
Pokemon can learn some moves on their own, naturally. All wild pokemon that are caught know at least one move. Some moves can only be learned by pokemon trained by humans, either through technical machines or specific training conditions. This is why some pokemon choose to be trained. Pokemon trained by humans are stronger than wild pokemon at the same level. This is reflected in the game's mechanics. (EVs and IVs).
But this hypothetical IS dealing with a Gardevoir with a trainer. >>1060044
Gardevoir are not furries. Also, they are so close to human in body that it's really a wimpy way of getting into pokemon that way. Pick something cute like a Braixen.
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Hug a Glaceon instead.
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Got to disagree with you there. And, also, you're a self-described non-furry while I'm somebody who doesn't just have two commissioned fursonas as well as multiple fan-fics published online about furry characters but also has attended multiple furry meetups in real-life. Why dismiss my opinion so easily? Hah.
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How would I know? I'm not a furry.
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Are you sure? Maybe we should check behind you for pawprint trails. Or would you object?
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I don't mind if you check behind me. No objections here.
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H-h-h-hey, mind out of the gutter!Or keep it there. I don't mind. At all.
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No gutter is big enough for my mind to fit into.
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Good point, yep.I know that the terms "trap", "trapped", "trapping", etc cetera are rather problematic, but I don't know if it's right to rename this since I think (though, I may be wrong) that's the label used by the artist.
There are a few pokemon that are majority male in the games, but that's just a game mechanic to make them harder to breed. It doesn't necessarily reflect how common each gender is, just how commonly you as a trainer encounter them.
But Gardevoir is a pokemon that can be male or female and outwardly are identical, so yes. It's good practice to know the gender of any pokemon before you kiss them.
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Hug a goodra instead.
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Yeah, but it's fun to think about various shenanigans that could happen, with female Pokemon impersonating male ones with and other such things happening.>>1060149
But... the necessarily showering afterward, though? So sticky...
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I don't find that all that funny.>>1060152
More slippery than sticky!
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To be clear, I'm talking more like "let's play dress-up and pretend that we're each other while also thinking that gender doesn't matter at all" and not "let's have masculine women seducing individuals who think that they're cis men, this being a manipulation kink". Innocent. Not twisted.
And, wait, what do you mean "more slippery than sticky"? I can't be either in my apartment. I'd have to go back and clean everything that I touch, you know?
Yeah, the second thing. Don't do that, in any direction.
And I mean what I say. Goodra are slippery, not sticky. Because they are based on slugs, who slide around.
Sex isn't mentioned, but there's a Sinnoh legend that says pokemon and humans once got married to each other.
Also, if you force your pokemon to kiss you when it doesn't want to that's abuse. It's abuse to force anyone to kiss you if they don't want to. But if your pokemon wants to kiss, I don't think it's an issue.
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"Hicks"? Maybe the truth is that they were/are visionary futurists. I'd say so.
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Would you bring your Gardevoir fuck buddy home to meet your mom?
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i used to kiss my dog right on her nose, she was so cute, and many snuggles
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I don't know. Maybe? My mom's had a lot of interesting life experiences, particularly when she was an internationally traveling model before she had me. She knows how complex life gets.
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Ok, but hold up. That book of legends contained two other legends besides the "used to marry"/"eat at the same table" myth: There once were Pokémon that became very close to humans.
There once were humans and Pokémon that ate together at the same table.
It was a time when there existed no differences to distinguish the two.
but alsoPick clean the bones of Pokémon caught in the sea or stream.
Thank them for the meals they provide, and pick their bones clean.
When the bones are as clean as can be, set them free in the water from which they came.
The Pokémon will return, fully fleshed, and it begins anew.There lived a Pokémon in a forest.
In the forest, the Pokémon shed its hide to sleep as a human.
Awakened, the human dons the Pokémon hide to roam villages.
So, we used to eat at the same table/get married... but we also used to eat pokemon? What? Also, there's a pokemon that masquerades as a human? Or a human who masqurades as a pokemon?
It's clear these are just folktales. Sinnoh is full of them. Which makes me wonder why Sinnoh has so many more than other regions. Is it because... these are hillbillies?
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>>1060205>they can be either your date or your dinner (or even both, weirdly enough), depending on the individual whims of the dominant partner
. That's actually not that uncommon in furry universes. Just saying.
You know I disliked the racism allegory being conflated with the carnivore/herbivore allegory in Zootopia. That allegory doesn't make much sense when you apply it to sentient beings able to communicate with one another.
But whether or not people eat pokemon is something debated. Some pokedex entries imply they do. We do know that pokemon eat other pokemon.
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My point isn't that I like that racism allegory made with real-life prejudice necessarily. I'm just saying that if you pretend that humans never existed for a moment, and just look at Zootopia
as a stand alone piece of media, a key part of it is that tension between somebody being lovey-dovey and somebody being lunch. You know?
And I'd like to double-down and say that, frankly, it wouldn't seem that hypocritical to me if somebody ate a Magikarp for dinner on a date with a Lucario, say. Pokemon differ quite a bit from each other. As, of course, we both know.
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I knew that there was am image like this floating around there on them internets... found it.
>>1060215>A key part of it is that tension between somebody being lovey-dovey and somebody being lunch. You know?
Actually the tension comes exclusively from Prey being prejudice. Predators in that world are said to be exclusively vegetarian (somehow) in modern times and that the concept of Predators eating Prey is ancient history. So this issue is the fear of another group being "more dangerous" than your group when it actually isn't. Which is what they were going for with the allegory, but it doesn't make sense when you apply it to animals with real biological differences instead of people.
But even just accepting it as a story about animals, Prey are in no danger of getting eaten in Zootopia. Predators don't eat Prey. Haven't for generations. In fact, the terms "Predator" and "Prey" seem to have just stuck around even though they don't describe the relationship anymore. ALL of the tension comes for Prey animals being bigots. >>1060223
Basculine is described in the Pokedex as being "remarkably tasty." so there's some argument for humans eating pokemon.
Humans regularly eat fruit produced by Grass-type pokemon, but that doesn't harm the pokemon.>>1060224>>1060225
That was just their imagination. The anime makes a joke here by having them imagine eating Magikarp, but then showing they can't, because Magikarp scales are too hard. But the pokedex says that some bird pokemon like Pigeotto do eat Magikarp.
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is pokemon like dog?
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I wonder what it would be like to go on a date with a gardevoir...
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Also, Gardevoir learns Draining Kiss, so it can get you sick or kill you.
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>>1060240>Also, Gardevoir learns Draining Kiss, so it can get you sick or kill you.
That's a risk with kissing anyone nowadays, lol.>>1060242
Hmm, I guess sexiness is in the eyes of the beholder to some degree.
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We are yeeing on our last haws..
whatever we do.
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If your knees go soft and you feel a little lightheaded?
Is that because they're draining your energy or is it love?
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Do you have a boner too? I think that'd be a big hint.
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if i had a gardevoir, we would probably go to the park!
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I also probably have a list of pokemon that I would do things with
I was petting my Pokemon Go Furret on the couch today.
I named him Walky.
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Like what, coloring?
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yes, no, maybe... i don't know...? can you repeat the question?
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So I just stare - at the stain on the wall where....
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I'm pretty sure that's pokephillia, which considering the fact that Earth animals don't exist in the world of pokemon, is basically the pokemon equivalent of zoophillia.
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>>1060516>I'm pretty sure that's pokephillia
You seem to say that as if it were a bad thing...
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Fucking non-humans is generally a bad thing.>>1060566
Well you sure did a 180.
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Would you lick a glaceon?
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Well, I haven't plaed Pokémon in ages, but I recall Sinnoh myths where they mention that some humans marry pokémon. These myths also said Humans and Pokémon lived seperate lives, that some pokémon were regarded beasts and some pokémon were hunted for their meat.
Theres even pokémon who were able to shed their hides to be human, just like the stories of selkies.
It could be possible that in the world of pokémon, Pokémon fill the role of both fauna, some flora (Grass Pokémon) and some mythological figures which are usually regarded intelligent, beautiful but just as mysterious and dangerous that could still intice human interest.
As for Gardevoirs getting cuddles and friendly kisses, I don't see why not if it's innocent. Most pet owners tend to cuddle or give their pets kisses on the head of cheek sometime. If Gardevoirs or any pokémon do not prefer that kind of attention they'll probably lash out or make it clear to their trainers they don't like it.
I don't have to answer that.>>1060575
We talked about the Sinnoh myths in >>1060205
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>>1060577>>1060575> There lived a Pokémon in a forest.> In the forest, the Pokémon shed its hide to sleep as a human.> Awakened, the human dons the Pokémon hide to roam villages.
Was that Sinnoh?
I assume only Ditto or Zoroark could shape themselves literally as humans.
Though I wonder how easy it would be to disguise a Mr Mime as a human...
Well every Pokémon installment always introduces a hundred or so new pokémon. Despite neighbouring regions having the same technology as one another it's peculiar how neighbouring regions seem to have little to no knowledge on their neighbours natural pokémon.
I mean, I know Johto, Sinnoh and all the other regions were not at all conceived during Pokémon Red and Blue when it's just Kanto but it's hard to imagine that all those regions must be around the same time as the first game so I wonder why leading Pokémon professor Oak at the time was not familiar with them, unless the games retoactively rewritten it's lore to say the older Pokémon regions always knew of other pokémon.
That said it's likely that there are unaccounted pokémon throughout the world of Pokémon. There are pokémon that have gone extinct and require fossils and certain machines to resurrect them or pokémon that live in other dimensions or secluded places forgotten from humans. It's even said Clefairy came from space so there could be "Alien pokémon" if that makes any sense.
So it could be possible that pokémon take up both the animal kingdom and mythology in this world. Therefore humans marrying pokémon or having certain relations to them may not be entirely weird given in IRL myths there are humans seducing or being seduced by certain fairy-folk. I guess it depends what kind of pokémon it is and if theres laws around that kind of thing.
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Pokemon are intelligent, but since (most) cannot speak human language, it's hard to say whether they pass the Harkness test.
ALL pokemon can understand
human speech, because they can be guided in pokemon battles. Pokemon can do this right after hatching without having to learn. However, most pokemon can't physically speak. Some can communicate telepathically, but pokemon can communicate other ways.
Meowth was able to teach it self to speak like a human. Ash's Pikachu is able to communicate with Ash through pantomime. Both pokemon clearly understand human speech and clearly have the intelligence to communicate. >>1060581
It's in a book of Sinnoh Legends, but there doesn't seem to be a pokemon native to that region that can transform like that. It's possible they created Zoroark later as a nod to that legend. >>1060591
The anime kind of glosses over this, but in the games, basically every game retcons the number of pokemon known to Pokemon Science. That always annoyed me when I watched the anime that literally hundreds of pokemon would just show up suddenly with no explanation.
Mew was not added to the Kanto pokedex because Pokemon scientists could not reach a consensus on whether or not Mew was a real pokemon or legend. So some pokemon do blur that line.
However, Most people think that the pokedex is not actually an accurate academic source of info. Professor Oak specializes in studying the bond between Pokemon and Trainer, and he is the one who invented the pokedex. It is heavily implied that Pokedex entries are actually written by the player character (a literal child), not as a source of information on pokemon, but for them to familiarize themselves with that pokemon and form a bond with it. There is a lot to suggest that we are experiencing the world of Pokemon through a limited lens because we are entering it as a child, or at best, a young teenager, and there is much about the setting we are not privy to. For example, apparently wars have been fought with pokemon, but that's not something ever really discussed in the games.
I usually regard the anime and game continuities seperate though.
Anime had Ash Kethum, Pokémon had a guy called Red. There is also a few inconsistancies between games and anime along the way. I figured that's normal for anime/cartoon adaptions of games.
I always figured the pokédex had some sort of limited AI. When a pokémon is captured the pokédex will scan it for size and weight and write a summery of that pokémon, perhaps from available information it can collect.
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It's a different continuity for sure, but pokemon can understand humans in both.
And that's how the anime shows the pokedex working. It will give Ash info on a pokemon he hasn't even caught. But in the games, it won't give you info until you caught it and examined the pokemon yourself. And the things it says are pretty crazy, almost like a child made them up.
Kinda derange children for the whole Cubone thing. But discrepancies are likely in these pokédexes given probably limited technology at the time.
But this is a world where sci-fi stuff as pokéballs that negate a pokémons weight and size and allow trainers to carry them convenianty, a digital "box storage" that allow trainers to virtualise their pokémon into a digital preserved state where they don't have to worry about feeding them for months and the most science fictional of the lot, free and easily available health care.
Just saying the pokédex probably has the ability to scan a captured pokémon and it's AI will write a summery from the avilable data it has evne if that data maybe inaccurate.
I wouldn't regard a Pokédex entry a whole thesis on a single pokémon.
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I would assume that a sizeable share of data in the Pokedex can be attributed to folklore as well.
Ghost pokemon tend to have a strong connection to actual ghosts. But I don't buy they have anything to do with deceased human beings.
Size and weight discrepancies, though. They are inexcusable, Professor Oak.
It might be fun to think Oak just send kids on their way with a random device that gives random trivia. Not to research pokemon as he says, but just to entertain kids.
It could be possible the Pokédex is a monitoring device.
The Pokédex will reward the trainer with some trivia of a captured pokémon, but will monitor the trainer and their relationship with pokémon in order to learn more along the way.
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That can just be observed Cubone behavior. Cubone was created before pokemon breeding as a mechanic was, so originally it was supposed to be true that Cubone died giving birth. Now it's just sort of something you have to ignore, like Kangaskhan having babies in their pouches as soon as they hatch.
It's possible the pokedex entry is Ai-generated, but it seems unlikely to me. It reads like something human-written, with colorful language and simile and also attributes literally impossible abilities and sizes to pokemon. Like Wailord being lighter than air. It makes much more sense that the player himself is writing them, who is a literal child.>>1060598>It might be fun to think Oak just send kids on their way with a random device that gives random trivia. Not to research pokemon as he says, but just to entertain kids.
Not just to entertain them, but so they'll form bonds with pokemon. Which is his area of study in pokemon science.
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Technically speaking, you have it backwards. When a cubone is born, another dies. This leads to two sustainability problems.
The first is deaths that don't involve births. If reproduction only happens on a 1:1 ratio, then any deaths at all that aren't the result of a birth slowly shave away at the population.
The second is the father pokemon. This one's easier to wave off, because it doesn't say the child wear's his father's
skull, so the father probably just lives through the whole ordeal, but it's something to consider.
Plus, I'm curious how the child cubone get at it's mothers Marowak's skull? I pressume that when a Cubone evolves it's mother's skull is permanantly infused to the Marowak's head. Pressuming the mother's death happens when the child is a few weeks/levels old (maybe an undocumented previous evolved state, but I dunno if you can obtain new Cubones from daycares) that mean the child has to break open the Marowaks armoured head to get at the skull.
The only grim conclusion I can think of is that Marowaks do not mate for life and that single-mother parenting is a common thing, but Marowaks eventually die in a way that's both traumatising and "natural" for the Cubone to inherit the skull.or
Marowaks mate, have egg and the father must make sure their prevolved baby evolves into Cubones the only way they know how, by slaying their mates and preparing the skulls for their kids. This of course traumatizes the kids but prepares them for their later lives as pokémon.
I know it's a grimdark theory, but so is what we started with. I bet GameFreak are still kicking themselves of Cubones backstory.
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I'm pretty sure we are thinking about this harder than game freak ever did.
Someone just drew a new monster that wears a skull like a helmet and came up with the story later when Pokemon lore was literally at it's youngest. Let's just let it go. Let it goooo.... it's time that we just quit. Let it go, Let it gooooo... because Frozen's a pile of shit. I don't care what the children say. That movie's crap, and I never liked it anyway.
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I think there was a theory that Cubones are just Kanghaskan whose mother died.
So they would just be an extension, part of another pokemon line.
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But would you throw stones at pokephiles?>>1060571
The Pokemon universe, I thought that was implied.>>1060592
So what then, Mewtwo, that one Ghastly from season 1, and Lugia are fuckable?
>>1060888>But would you throw stones at pokephiles?
The whole "Arceus Hates Pokephiles" gag was just me having a laugh, and parodying bigoted religious organizations like the Westboro Baptist Church. Arceus is the creator god of the pokemon universe according to... Sinnoh legend. Dammit it, again?!
No, I would not throw rocks at any pokephiles in real life, and it would depend on the pokemon if it were in the Pokemon World.>So what then, Mewtwo, that one Ghastly from season 1, and Lugia are fuckable?
Yes. But Mewtwo is a guy, so...
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It reproduces telekinetically. It's a complicated process to understand.
They use the word "genderless", but clearly they mean sexless. Those aren't the same things.
Well like Dulset pointed out, he's not an adult, so he probably is a virginoh god why am I even thinking about this?>>1060959
He actually might be older than that. It was never released in America, but there was a short where he knew a human girl but never was released out of his tube thing, IIRC. But I don't know how long that lasted.>>1060961
Well too bad, Arceus hates pokephiles anyway! Probably.>Dammit it, again?!
What?>No, I would not throw rocks at any pokephiles in real life
I wouldn't either, but that doesn't mean I approve of it.>Yes. But Mewtwo is a guy, so...
So? There's nothing wrong with being gay or bisexual.
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>>1060991>How do you sex a MewTwo
When a mommy pokemon and a daddy pokemon love each other very much...
We've been discussing Sinnoh legends in this thread and how there's one that says in ancient times humans and pokemon used to marry. I'm just pointing out that all these ancient myths about the pokemon world seem to come from Sinnoh. Even Kalos' myths only seem to go back a few centuries (when apparently there was a war fought with pokemon. Nuts.)>I wouldn't either, but that doesn't mean I approve of it.
In real life, "pokephillia" is a harmless fetish centered around creatures that can think like humans you can't actually practice because pokemon are not real. It's all imagination anyway, so there's nothing to approve of disprove of.
In terms of in-setting, romantic relationships between pokemon and humans seem to be taboo, as they are almost never seen. But that again might because we are seeing a limited view of the world through the eyes of a child. >So? There's nothing wrong with being gay or bisexual.
Didn't say their was, but I was discussing with Hispa how Mewtwo (and other legendary pokemon) might are sexless, not genderless. The pokemon games get the term wrong. Mewtwo clearly has a male personality, even if he has no genitalia.