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Hey everyone! It's day umpteen of quarantine for me, and i've been going alright for me. Although one thing that has been both a blessing and a curse is everyone has been posting art, memes, and general experiences from their time playing Animal Crossing New Horizons!

It's a blessing because the characters are cute, the art has been fun, and all my friends have been having a wonderful time!

But it's a curse because despite my effort in trying to enjoy the actual game, i just simply can't.

I want to, i really want to! but i can't help but find it boring with no real goal beyond doing daily chores, which just doesn't appeal to me ://

So this got me thinking, have you ever been in a similar situation as i am? Have you ever been unable to enjoy or understand something that everyone else seems to love?

remember to respect eachothers opinions in here, perhaps this could be a great way to learn and understand eachother ^^


I don't see the appeal in it or similar games either.


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i'm glad that i'm not the only one who thinks that T_T

>hugs and kajis <3

i've just never been into life sim games. i couldn't get into Harvest Moon. I couldn't enjoy Minecraft. and I couldn't enjoy Stardew Valley.

life sim games are just not fun to me. and part of me is a bit upset because everyone treats them like crack, and i can't enjoy that crack with them :PP


Mmm it doesn't bother me, but I suppose I see the feeling of being left out.


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that is definitely a part of it. cause the idea of all your friends playing a game everyone loves and can talk about is a feeling i do enjoy

another part of it is that aesthetically and character wise, i love the animal crossing universe! like take those characters and put them in any other type of media like a show,manga, or game, and i probably would enjoy it quite a bit!


I think the character model look too much like dolls. Their kind of uncanny in my opinion. Specially the ones with makeup. They look vaudeville.

What games do you like?




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i suppose i can understand that, it might not be a type of design that appeals to everyone. i personally love their designs myself, but to each their own ^^

as for games i like? i love all sorts of games

night in the woods, understale, deltarune, dark souls, sekiro, pokemon, persona 5, most sonic games, legend of zelda series, final fantasy games, xenoblade chronicles, half life, portal, the stanley parable, resident evil games, ect. ect.

i could probably go on, but i love all types of games myself

in fact, recently i just played this older indie title from 2013 called "Anodyne" which used Link to the Past style gameplay, but had a weird and eerie, but oddly warm story that i just loved <3

how about you?


>hugs and kajis <3

i guess there are more of us than i anticipated!


For me, one of those things is the Final Fantasy series. I tried to get into it, I really did; starting with FF7, the “entry” game for any newcomer. But I just got bogged down in the grinding and apparent min-maxing and stopped at the Golden Saucer.

Tifa better than Aeris because of boobs, sorry Moony.


All the famous ones I see. Never heard of anodyne though.

I don't play a lot really...


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Smash Brothers.

I just... can't. Maybe it's because I didn't grow up with it, it don't have any way to play it on my own, but HOLY SHIT, it just enrages me. I don't get throwing the controller mad, but I've definitely walked off a few times. One on one matches I do much better with.

Oh and black licorice. Stuffs disgusting, like NyQuil.


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Human romances! It's just weird, why would you do that when there's perfectly good furry romance, right?


I suppose most stuff people get passionate about is a miss on me.


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Licking fur isn't as pleasant.


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i personally love final fantasy games myself, but grinding is a necessary part of it for sure. Speaking of The Golden Saucer, i can certainly play the snowboard game all day ^^

i've always preferred yuffie myself

oh it's so good! and i'm gonna get Anodyne 2 here soon, which is done in a more Playstation 1 style, and is really critically acclaimed ^^


that's okay, you probably are busy! i am very much busy too!

i can kinda half way understand  your feelings on this one ella!

>hugs and kajis <3

i actually didn't enjoy smash 4, and it was at that time i was super critical of the game series because it was so unintuitive, and i kept just losing unnecessarily so much. but Ultimate changed my feelings on that

>hugs and kajis <3

i like black licorice myself :PP

i don't like ketchup tho

i love me a good furry romance myself!

>hugs and kajis <3

unfortunately anthropeople don't exist IRL yet :PP

depends on what we are talking about :PP


That's not Moony, that's Star, silly



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>depends on what we are talking about :PP

Nope. Still unpleasant.


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note to self
ella prefers brazillian

good to know!


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I mean, I getcha, but that's not the part I want to be licking!

Hopefully science solves this problem in the coming years. Maybe they develop a vaccine to the virus but the side affect is it turns you furry! A total win-win!


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Yeah licorice is worse than... I dunno something really bad.


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brazen and bold, just like always ella!

but that's why we love you <3

that would be awesome! it's like those people that were trying to cure alzheimers but accidently developed something that restores enamel to teeth!

if it does turn you furry, do you wanna wait in line with me to get the shot?


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Dollar store brand coffee.


I'm trying really hard to think of something else for the thread...


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Pfft, only if we get to snuggle afterwards! Are you becoming a deer? I'm thinking something feline personally.


I was going to go with cat shit or something, but that's pretty bad.


I would rather smell dog shit than open up a bag of dollar store brand coffee, ever again :rara5:


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if you were injected with something that turned you into an anthropomorphic creature, what animal would you wanna be?

100% down 2 snug!

perhaps, however i'd have to know what my options are!

like, I would love to be a reindeer girl. but if like Dragon is available, i'd be down to get wings and fire breathing!

now this i can certainly agree with!

my uncle drinks only folgers coffee, and every time i go to his place for the holidays, it's like i'm drinking weak dishwater XPP


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Beer snobs tend to be extra snobbish about IPAs, but like, I don't see the appeal. I mean a nice hoppiness to an ale is great, sure, but like, most IPAs take that hoppiness way too far IMHO.


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hey andrea!

>hugs and kajis <3

me too! mostly because my dad loves IPAs, and while i was alright with them at first, i quickly got tired of them ://


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Ha so greedy, I guess a dragon would suit you! If you could breathe fire, imagine all the useful things you could do. You could melt the snow in your driveway instead of shovel it! You could melt the ice on your car rather that scrape it! :3

I wonder if you sneeze if you set the surroundings on fire, hmmm.


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I like Bass Pale Ale though. Makes me feel all British and shit.


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Oh duh, I forgot the easiest one for this thread. Coffee! I can't figure out what the allure of dirty bean water is. I sometimes drink it when I want to spite myself and have an excuse to complain about something!


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dragons are defined by their greed!

and that would be wonderful! also i could just fly to work XDD

oh my gosh, i have that weird condition where when you walk outside and see direct sunlight, you sneeze a lot. and so now i'm imagining walking outside, and rapid fire sneezing as i just become a machine gun XDD

blimey! you fancy yourself an english lass? chip chip cheerio!

thorax! how could you betray me like this T_T

i like my coffee black as night, biggest cup i can find, no sugar no cream!


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Maximum Ride character, hands down. I want to be able to fly with eagles!

Folgers is -ok- in a pinch. The medium roast is alright. But definitely prefer my Cafe Bustelo rip off: Cafe Morelo

It just tastes bitter to me most of the time

Mostly it's drunk for the energy, but I've literally been drinking the stuff since I was ten and now I really do love the taste if it has cream and sugar. Some lights roasts are ok without cream and sugar, but that also like trying to drink sun tea without the sweet, it's just not as good.


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i'm not familiar wit that! is it some sort of young adult fantasy series of books? i see eagle winged teens!

meh, if there is nothing else available. but i deadass got my uncle good quality coffee, and he refused to make any of it, claiming that it's too intense! my plans were foiled XPP

ooh, what's cafe morelo? i looked it up and found a cafe in new york!


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You like your dirty bean water black as night huh!


Everything tastes good when you add sugar and fat! That's like, what sugar and fat is for!

My problem is, I don't get much of a pick up from coffee. If it happens it's barely noticeable. So it's all the suffering of drinking dirty bean water without any perks!


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Just a rip off brand that's (ha) at the dollar store! It's good though.

Maximum Ride is a young adult novel, yea. Basic synopsis is a group of kids were stolen from their parents when they were babies and had experiments done on them, and they all got cool bird wings. But the author was actually pretty cool and did it -somewhat- realistically, giving them more hollow bones and modified inner organs so they could actually handle high altitudes and be able to fly.


Have you tried yerba mate? Might be a better pick-up. Or just drink a light roast (more caffeine) and have two cups instead of one?

But eh, if you don't like it you don't like it.

we can't be friends anymore! Dx learn to like coffee or go sit in the cormer with Esh!


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yup! to me, the day doesn't start until i get a tall mug of java in my veins <3

i love the taste of it

the smell of it!

the reinforced feelings of love and satisfaction i get from it!

it's so beautiful and delightful <3

well i'm weary of dollar store coffee, but for a buck i'd be willing to try it!

that's pretty cool! i can get down with some realism in my stories if it serves the story ^^

and modified bird people are pretty cool ^^

yerba mate is a bit weird. it's like drinking a mug of grass :PP

you get used to it tho


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I mean, I don't know yerba but I'm down to mate! :3

I could probably drink a whole pot of coffee and barely feel a thing. I'm know for having a body that stubbornly resists mind altering drugs like coffee, pain killers, booze, and weed. It took eating a whole bar of weed chocolate (100mg) before I really felt something significant from it. That was a bad time, lol.

ella so mean ;_;
esh is super cool so I'll happily sit in the corner with him! We'll draw silly doodles about you and giggle when you aren't looking!
Is it still coffee if it's 10 parts sugar and cream to one part dirty bean water?

That's probably how Andrea feels about it, lol. I feel so left out, why magic drug no work on me!


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part of it stems from the fact i started drinking it at age 5

i've always enjoyed it since i was a young kid ^^


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I doubt a 5yo needs the energy, why did you start at such an early age?


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i was curious about it as a kid, and my parents were much more open to letting me try it than other parents

when i was young, i couldn't drink it without milk and sugar. but i still enjoyed the flavor and kept doing it. but in time, i tended to steer towards the straight black coffee. i still enjoy the more sugary drinks like frappes and lattes, but most of the time i drink dark roasts black.

and in hindsight, coffee is actually beneficial for people with ADHD, so i incidentally medicated myself without knowing it XDD


I add my yerba tea to my other teas. So far chamomile and honey+yerba, rose petals and hibiscus flower+yerba, and Jasmine+yerba were really good mixes. Lavender for some reason was awful with it, but it went good with the jasmine.

I take it back, don't doodle me! T_T

And coffee should be enjoyed two shots with ten parts cream, a teaspoon of shaved dark chocolate, a half teaspoon of real vanilla, a half teaspoon brown sugar, and a little whip cream on top ^_^


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chamomile and honey with yerba sounds like it would definitely balance the flavor <3

>lavender is awful with it

hmm... i can understand that. lavender is actually my favorite flavor, but i imagine that flavor would not mix well :PP

jasmine would be fun tho!


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If it works for you, then that's great ^_^

It's still dirty bean water to me though. Can't be helped!

Oh, it's too late for take backsies! I've already started the doodles and they are magnificent!

It's liquid candy ella! You're just drinking candy!

I mean, it probably tastes delicious, don't get me wrong!


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and that's why i created this thread!

to show that we have different tastes and can't change eachother, but we can still love and respect one another <3


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No wait! This is the internet, we must fight to the death over our opinions! Rawr!


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Burn them! D<



Liquid candy,

Is fucking delicious.


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ummm... grrr

hiss? rawr!


btw, check it out! i found this article about a guy in LA who made some pictures, and their treating it like some crazy new thing that has never been done before.

and i just had to laugh :PP


i'm confused...

are we drinking ellas doodles?


Love kiara's look. Kovu's pretty good too.


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i agree! she's really killing it with her look <3

i typically love Kovu myself, but they could have given him better kicks :PP


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Lol. It is, by design, fucking delicious! But I usually try to abstain from drinking straight sugar... well besides this bottle of maple syrup I have... I mean, that's a guilty pleasure if I've ever known one, heh.

Hah, pic related :3

Lol, omg this article. It's like it was written by my parents or something. Sweet summer children, untainted by the internet. I hope some people sent the author some links to e6 so they can do some investigative journalism!


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aaaaaaaaa.... :PP

i know right? he barely cracked open the lid on the pandora's box of the internet! perhaps he will find himself mired in the Lion King fur fandom ^^

also, this simba is so extra with that freaking tattoo XDD Nala is cute tho!


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alrighty! i'm heading to bed!

goodnight everyone <3


Pokemon. It's a grind.
A lot of Nintendo games are.


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Most apt example I know is The Hunger Games, in the sense that it is one of those movies I got to see and I absolutely hated watching it. But apparently even the Nostalgia Critic called it a clever movie.

Maybe I wanted to see more Battle Royal or Belkov Experiment: a bunch of kids round up and forced to kill eachother. everybody fighting for their own survival or holding shaky paranoid cooperation, because that keeps you alive better.

Instead, it is about this good kid, Katniss and the few friends she makes fighting against the utter group of douchebag kids.
I didn't feel like I was supposed to feel bad when some of the bad kids died, but there was so much emotional reaction to a 'good' kid dieing.

Most (almost all) of the movie didn't sit well with me.

Also, buttsex obviously. Girls poop from there.


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Sorry, went into a food coma. The pizza was too good.
It's ok, I have on more than a few occasions just eaten a whole bottle of honey in a day.
I heard the main character was a lot better in the Hunger Games books.

It didn't get as much attention, but I really liked Maze Runners. If you still want reading material, I highly recommend that one.


Yyyeah, no. Nothing particularly clever about the first Hunger Games film.

The closest they get to being clever is the second film, which treats the Winners like celebrities and yet STILL essentially show that they are little more than court jesters for the true elite. That was interesting.

Then part 3 is juts all dialogue and buildup to part 4  which was... Practically nonsense.

They're fine I suppose, but yeah, I don't really see how they became as big as they did.


See I think the "everyone" part is just percieved majorities because contrasts to ourselves stand out more, anyway.

-I don't play video games unless people invite me to at all.
Like, I actually played 2 games on my own in the last 8 years and dabbled into 2 VNs.
So that certainly doesn't do it for me, unlike about what seems anybody else that's on the internet and below 35.

-Everybody seems to like their smart phones and it has risen to the standard phone. I don't need none, and see no point for daily life. Still probably getting one sooner or later for the standard thing.


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Unless its the stereotypical 'grey rain of depression' that lasts for days and days, I actually enjoy the rain! And I don't even mind being rained on really!

It's a common difference between me and those that love to hate it, I guess.


I don't get why My Hero Academia got so popular.


Ooh! Which vns? If you don't mind my asking.


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I've only got to see season one, but if I had to take a guess, probably because it's like a good classic tale of the under dog hero, mixed in with some great comedy moments and pretty cool character designs/power ideas.

This is what attracted me anyway and made that first seaon really enjoyable to watch.

Oh, and then you there was a cool fighting game that came out of it as well, which kind of further cemented it in my mind of 'cool shit'.

But I mean, that's just me. Was there some things you didn't like about it?


On the 4chan disabled one, I had 1 plus some playthroughs
And I tried the demo of the similar humanified pony one, but it crashed again and again.


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i think anime is nice, and i grew up with it, like doraemon, but maybe because it has a more developed place culturally, i have a hard time enjoying it maybe as much as some do

i like ponies and things, of course! and i think some anime is beautiful, and incredible

but i struggle to watch it, often


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everyone in my social group it feels :PP

i can also say that not having a smart phone will help your overall posture!

i love rain myself! it's so serene and beautiful <3

>hugs and kajis <3

hey moony!

>hugs and kajis <3

i find with anime is that you must treat it like a medium, one that has tons of different genres and value! you can find shows of all types, pony like and not pony like alike!


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Oh nice! Katawa is great! Who did you end up choosing? If you ever want more recs btw, i got em.

It's gotten big lately. It almost feels like few people like "anime", but rather, they like certain generas or types of anime. I love myself a good drama or action show with interesting character dynamics and an engaging plot, but i dislike trashy fanservice or wish fulfillment.


I adore the rain. I always feel less anxious and more at peace when it's raining.


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We should start our own 'I Love the Rain' club, and use this cat as our group mascot!


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i'd be cool with that! lemme get my poncho <3


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I like animes but the reliance on reference and self parody is a bit stifling for me, as well as the overwhelming prevalence of recycled tropes.




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you should teach me how to enjoy sometime, insan <3

that is true, i guess!

the trope part is very hard for me to swallow - it is as if every game was rock paper scissors, you know?


I also dislike the disproportionate amount of fan-service and wish fulfillment in anime.


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it's poncho time!

yup yup!

say, perhaps i can help you find a show you would like to watch!

what sort of show would you like to watch?


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It's cute! I'll take it!

I definitely feel that. intertextuality is starting to really choke out anime. It certainly feels a lot harder to find something genuine among the genra-chasers and half-parodies. Though sometimes you get clever deconstructions of troupes that can inspire new things, so at least there's a flip-side to the coin.


I'd like that, moony. The difficult part is i feel you'd either really like or really hate the things i enjoy. I'd want to get a better sense of what you like and don't like before i would feel like i could assist you in that regard, otherwise i might end up recommending you things you'd really hate. What kind of shows besides mlp have really spoken to you? Is it just soft comfortable things? Or do you enjoy sad things as well? I find the things i enjoy most are very genuine and sincere shows where the characters face a lot of hardship, and it's really sad and painful at times, but they overcome their challenges, grow, and come out with a well-earned happy ending that means that much more because you know so much more about them and because they've come so far. There are lots of other things i enjoy, of course, but i think stories like that are the ones that really linger in my heart and inspire me.


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I was never crazy about GTA, or 'sandbox' games in general.


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The biggest thing is probably that I generally enjoy existential and tragic stories which don't really lend themselves well to the art, and at my age stories about only teenagers make me a touch uncomfortable?


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oh? that's rather peculiar! why does the sand box not appeal to you?


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i watched a little bit of nichijou with my sister, and thought that was funny

i watched most of Cells at Work, and thought a lot of it was great! there was only one season though, on netflix

that is my kind of show, i think

i like that i got to learn while watching cells at work, and it was not too crazy, and it was fun, and  simple idea

i can understand that, sometimes, anime is so weirdly gritty in that teenage way


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nichijou is absolutely wonderful, and the best way to blow up the animation budget on the otherwise standard comedy slice of life anime <3

cells at work was fantastic in my opinion! i love the use of allegory of city and workers as the body and its functions <3

have you seen Beastars yet? Thorax got me to watch it and i binged the entire show in one night, cause it was just so incredibly good <3


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I prefer a more rigorous style of game play; 'you could do any one of these hundred or more things' makes me glaze over a bit and wonder what else I could be doing. On the other hand, I thoroughly enjoyed Minecraft when I played it two years ago with my brothers, so I am a man of contradictions.


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i can understand that, and to a degree i have to agree. a smaller but very airtight level system can be a ton of fun, as opposed to checking off lists of places to go in a big sprawling map

but i found that i am very goal oriented, and that's why i couldn't get into minecraft, cause it was just sorta "okay, do stuff" and i got bored very quickly


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>The biggest thing is probably that I generally enjoy existential and tragic stories which don't really lend themselves well to the art

I don't know, I've seen some anime handle existentialism and tragedy. Madoka Magica comes to mind. I do think that anime of late has shifted away from artsy stories though and more towards entertainment and wish-fulfillment. I definitely agree that i'd like to see less teenagers and less high schools. To call it stale would be a serious understatement. Problem is that there's a huge audience these days for regular rations of wish-fulfillment and escapism. I think back in the 90s, 90s kids were well primed to appreciate strange and esoteric things, and so when we found the cowboy bebops and evangelions of the world, we were eager and willing to see just where it was going, and willing to invest in it because there wasn't as much anime.

I think zoomers have very different values. I think zoomers value conformity much more than individuality. They like popular things. They want to feel like they're part of the in-group. So they all consume the same things, and popularity begets popularity, and so we get a lot of things that feel very samey. A millennial would see something weird and be inspired to dig deep and see what it had to offer. A zoomer would see something weird, get offended before giving it a fair shake, then get all their friends together to try to get it canceled and harass the creators. /oldmanrant

Hmm, so definitely fun fluffy slice of life with no lack of absurd and silly. how do you feel about romance? I may have a great recommendation for you.

I kindof feel this. To me, i think a lot of sandboxes are made without purpose. Just throw enough stuff around and hope the player can enjoy themselves. A lot of my friends enjoy GTA this way, but it just bores me a ton. If it's something like planet explorers or subnautica, where there is a purpose, but you can put that to the side and just explore and build, and that will be fulfilling in it's own right, then i can enjoy it, and if the game is much more focused and demanding, like dark souls, then i can enjoy that, but i think a lot of sandbox games fall into an awkward middle place where none of the main stories are focused enough to be satisfying, but the game is still too rigid to enjoy the freedom that theoretically gives you. You can't really make your own goals because the game is too limited and restricted, but the game-provided goals suck too! So it's a no-win!


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Minecraft piqued my imagination a bit more than GTA. There's this question in archaeology of cultural origins, whether they are diffused by some shared facet of human behavior, or developed strictly in response to survival demands, or whether cultures develop in isolation (sui generis) as part of a process of biopower becoming "embedded" in the environment with which it has made contact. Minecraft struck me as an "interpretation" of the latter kind, where everything in the environment is a discreet element with special properties which help to specify it--there is no "muddle". In turn these "typified" elements fuel the process of creating images. There's something peculiarly "id" about its atmosphere.


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that's a lot more thought than i put into minecraft, that's for sure. and i can certainly see that, given the survival and crafting inherit in the games basic structure

survival games are typically a bit too grindy for me, and the emphasis on crafting and just suriving better  over a period of time really didn't click with me. like, it gives me such a tiny loop of a goal which is "just survive" and i feel like i succeeded that by digging a 3 foot hole and sleeping in it.

i dunno, i guess i need a bonafide goal, something greater than my own to push me into doing something, cause otherwise i feel like i'm wasting my time


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If you haven't already, Heaven's Vault may be up your alley.


My own personal views are complex, to put it mildly... I guess I'm kind of comfortable being called something like a non-denominational Unitarian and theist who goes (or went, pre-quarantine times) to a Unitarian church.

But all that aside...

People seem to love hating on religious music. They claim that it's all vapid and silly copying on what standard pop and rock does. That might be true in some cases, but people generally 'love to hate' religious music in the U.S. it seems... and I really disagree.

There's tons of religious songs that I really respect and would recommend to anyone, even if I personally don't entirely agree, such as:


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>hugs and kajis <3

i'm heading to bed y'all! goodnight everyone ^^


Goodnight, Noelle!


Sleep well!

*cuddles back*


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what is beastars? is it abgout bees? that sounds nice

romance? i am scared of romance, in every way you can imagine

goodnight star so much love <3


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Ah, fair enough. So no romance on the table for ya. Alright. You ever seen azumanga dioh?


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Originally I think it was a style which sought to emphasize interaction with an environment over linear progression. You could beat up an old woman with a baseball bat, steal her money, then go put a spoiler on your muscle car. The player had a new degree of license to go "off-script", and it resonated with a world where old power structures were beginning to be undermined by new structures of information and communication (e.g. Napster).

>i think a lot of sandbox games fall into an awkward middle place where none of the main stories are focused enough to be satisfying, but the game is still too rigid to enjoy the freedom that theoretically gives you.
Aesthetically it is similar to a certain sort of writing style one encounters in the world of books where the author attempts to "honey" the reader. The art of storytelling lies in getting the reader to want to know what happens next, and one sees in response a repertoire of mannerisms among a certain level of professional writers which seems to shout, "You're really going to want to know what happens next!" I feel it is often the same with games which attempt to be "super" games.

>it gives me such a tiny loop of a goal which is "just survive" and i feel like i succeeded that by digging a 3 foot hole and sleeping in it.
That is my whole point, that it gives an entirely different picture to the confrontation of sensitivity with the ecological process than "just survival". I built an observatory, for instance, to monitor the sun and moon rotating the planet in even succession.

I'll check it out.


That image needs an edit in which Woodstock is in the next place, and the text reads something like: "Chirp 1 Cent, Cheep Cheep Cheep [Cheep]"


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That would be a mockery of the armchair psychiatric profession!


>Originally I think it was a style which sought to emphasize interaction with an environment over linear progression. You could beat up an old woman with a baseball bat, steal her money, then go put a spoiler on your muscle car. The player had a new degree of license to go "off-script", and it resonated with a world where old power structures were beginning to be undermined by new structures of information and communication (e.g. Napster).

Yea, i can see why that kind of catharsis was meaningful and productive at it's time, kindof like the simpsons or rock music. When the leave-it-to-beaver nuclear family era of values was only just starting to be examined critically. I think this leaves us with a few problems right now:

a) they've done their job, the nuclear family exists, sure, and there are people that hold onto those values, but the dominance that the nuclear-family value system held on america has long since become one of many competing ideologies. It's long been dethroned, and it's criticism has been well-documented and taken to heart. With the job that these pieces set out to accomplish being done, they're left without much of a purpose, and feel, to me, to exist more as a historical footnote about how our culture moved forward, not as anything really contemporarily relevant.

b) These products have since become mainstream culture. This leaves them in a very awkward and paradoxical place, and i think it speaks to a broader conundrum of where we sit culturally, where mainstream culture is built on tearing down mainstream culture, so it ends up making a half-hearted show of tearing down other mainstream things while maintaining a rigid status-quo. It's meaningless and hypocritical at it's heart. It's a tool that exists despite the job being done.

>Aesthetically it is similar to a certain sort of writing style one encounters in the world of books where the author attempts to "honey" the reader. The art of storytelling lies in getting the reader to want to know what happens next, and one sees in response a repertoire of mannerisms among a certain level of professional writers which seems to shout, "You're really going to want to know what happens next!" I feel it is often the same with games which attempt to be "super" games.

There's certainly an art in getting the reader invested. (i say reader loosely, consumer of media would be a more complete way of saying it, but anyway...) Some of the games/shows that have gripped me most had some elements of mystery too them, and even after consuming many times, i'd pick up a detail i missed that added a little more context to everything, painted things in a slightly different light, and even on first viewing made me want to know more. That being said, those are generally in much more rigid media, like anime or vn, and games are a very different beast. I feel like the best games are ones that can make your decisions a part of the game, where they can anticipate what you do and change accordingly, or somehow acknowledge that in some way. These days though, i feel like that's almost a moot point, because nothing ever gets resolved these days. A good ending squanders the possibility of a future sequel after all...


A mockery? Or a celebration given the incorporation of new blood?


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i have heard of this, but not seen it

i would not mind light romance, but too heavy, and i am scared!


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Azumanga has barely any romance at all. It's mostly a funny quirky little slice of life that follows a shy over-achieving 10-year-old genius who gets transferred to high school, with a healthy dose of absurdity here and there. It's a fossil at this point, but it's still very cute and heartwarming. We could even watch together sometime if you'd like.

Hmm, i wonder if you would like midori days... It's very cute and funny, but also a bit sad in places. The ending is very bittersweet, but it's a romance. I guess i'd want to dig in more to what kinds or how much romance integration in the story would be scary for you, so i can get a proper sense of what you like or don't like, but i get if you don't want to do that here. You have my discord if you want to get more into it. I'll try to curb my enthusiasm for strange, sad, painful, atypical romance as best i can, i promise.


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You're up late, Moony!


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>Yea, i can see why that kind of catharsis was meaningful and productive at it's time, kindof like the simpsons or rock music.
GTA was colored by 90's "angst" but I was really pointing to the underlying imperative of exploration as the key ingredient (of which "being bad" was the expression). It is relevant in the sense that it has become part of the player's expectation for a game to be a "total experience" incorporating important themes and communicating something about the actual world in which the player is a part. We even have a cosmological hypothesis based on the notion of "simulation", which is the only creationist viewpoint with currency in orthodox intellectual circles. These things can be traced back to the incipience and success of sandbox gaming, which was the parent of the MMO, for example.



>It is relevant in the sense that it has become part of the player's expectation for a game to be a "total experience"

Is this in the context of GTA, sandbox games, or games as a whole since GTA?


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Oh, to be specific to the purposes of thread, when it comes to anime...

'K-On' seemed like it'd be right up my alley. It has music. It has comedy. It has cute characters trying to make it in life. It has the absence of a lot of the objectionable material that's found in a lot of other animes. What's no to love?

But, ultimately, despite going through the initial episodes, I found it all lacking. I'm afraid that 'cutie pies being quirky but having fun' really doesn't gel for my personal tastes much.

Which is odd, really, since I get super-into all sorts of camp material that's kitsch and sickly sweet otherwise, but... nah, K-On just didn't do it for me.

Any fans of the series here? (Paradoxically, I might really like the soundtrack since upbeat pop rock / power pop is really my jam.)


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yes ^^ io cannot sleep. and the days... are blending together

awwww that sounds fun c: that is so cute

i am not sure... i only watched nichijou with my sister because it was cute and funny, but i do not particujlarly like shows about school or anything


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High school shows mainly come to mind because you seem to like fun slice of life shows, and as far as i know those tend to mostly take place in high school, as many anime do.

It also seems the shows you have cited as ones you've liked have been more episodic than serial, is it fair to say you prefer episodic shows to serial ones?

So. So far we've got

<romance: Dislike, but tolerable in small doses
<slice of life: Like
<cute and fun: like
<episodeic/serial: episodic preferred

Would you say this is a fair appraisal of your preferences overall?

Do you like action, moony? Like mech or shonen?


Cool thanks! Well I did the "bro route" and Emi until her personal stuff started ensuing.

I absolutely dig it, but I get what you mean, I like other CGDCT shows better too.
Maybe age has something to do with it? K-ON seems to be the first popular one that brought certain qualities together, but hadn't fleshed out the whole thing/respective details?

I also had the funny experience that I like battle shonen adventure and hiphop, but couldn't get into Samurai Champloo back then.
Still waiting for a show to pick up and perfect that combination.


Sometimes, I feel like I 'should' enjoy something in terms of elements, but I dislike the actual framing of events in terms of editing and pacing a bit. That drags it down from 'okay' to 'me'. K-On, at least early on, seems to suffer from this. I agree with your idea that maybe there's a 'frontrunner curse' that means that material doesn't gel as well when compared to later material.


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You know what? I'll say it.

I 'like' Daniel Craig's James Bond, but I don't 'love it', and I feel like he's honestly maybe dead last as far as the quality of official movie Bond actors in my opinion.

Casino Royale? Meh. 2.5/5

Quantum of Solace? Hot garbage. 1.5/5

Skyfall? Pleasant and enjoyable, but far from perfect. 4/5

Spectre? Also hot garbage. 1.5/5

Timothy Dalton was a better Bond. Yes, I said it. He was. He actually pulled off the 'Bond is an utter sociopath with a thin veneer of class that often cracks' trope-y take, while Craig's performances are uneven as hell from film to film.


I'm quite sure I've seen all of them and don't remember the plot of any of them. They're all forgettable/5 for me.


As far as plots go, I recall offhand:

Casino Royale? Terrorist money guy plays a high stakes game that Bond needs to make sure that he loses at. Premise is frankly kind of lame. Yes, I'm aware that it goes back to an original story from Fleming. Still lame.

Quantum of Solace? American corporations in connection with international financiers are trying to steal the water resources in Latin America. Apparently based on real life trade practices. It's interesting, but... this is so NOT Bond. This is what I'd expect to see a documentary voiced by George Clooney about.

Skyfall? Bond faces Hispanic Bond. That's kind of it. And that's honestly rather brilliant. Bond having a near exact mirror image to tango with, Bond w/limits versus Bond w/o limits then... pretty alright.

Spectre? Apparently Dr. Evil is back. Blofeld, I mean. He's an evil European aristocratic dude who wants to take over the world... somehow... eh, this has been parodied to death, and everything is just... lame. There's no high concepts involved. It's Bond versus a bunch of jerks, essentially.


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The very first route you did is the one where you get wasted and die? Big oof! Emi's route is great! She and hanako are my favorites.

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