[ home ] [ pony / townhall / rp / canterlot / rules ] [ arch ]

/canterlot/ - Canterlot

Site related staff board
Name
Email
Subject
Comment
File
Flags  
Embed
Password (For file deletion.)

[Return][Go to bottom]

 No.2813

File: 1545280230540.png (245.51 KB, 1332x996, 111:83, surprisehug.png) ImgOps Google

So a word I see being used a lot on the board as of late is "cringe". I feel like the staff needs to keep an eye on this trend.

What makes one person "cringe" may be completely innocuous to another person and vice-versa. So not only is the very idea too nebulous to even define, it serves as a danger to alienate some people. How would it make someone feel to seeing a hobby or activity they enjoy being mocked by other posters as being socially inept and/or embarrassing? Or at the very least deserving of mockery. Even if it is not directed specifically at you, it still does not foster a welcoming or friendly environment. Cringe culture as a whole really serve no other purpose than to mock and shame certain type of person or behavior, and that's not really something the rules should allowed. Perhaps things have not gotten to that level yet, but I feel like it's a potential danger we should acknowledge.

 No.2814

used where, specifically?

 No.2815


 No.2816

I didn't want to call anyone out, but Iara is using it a lot. For example, in this thread http://ponyville.us/pony/res/892908.html

 No.2820

>>2816
>I didn't want to call anyone out, but Iara is using it a lot.
A bit off topic, but is there a name for this trope?  "I don't want to do X, but *(does X anyway)*."

 No.2821

>>2813
I'm okay with iara's thread. It's a thread about cringe, enter at your own risk. People put up their own cringeworthy factoids and behaviors for the fun of it, nothing wrong with that. I wouldn't want people to go out of their way to put down other users who were not participating in the thread, but I didn't see any of that. As for yourself, you made yourself a participant by posting in the thread so I consider that entirely fair. You didn't need to subject yourself to ridicule if you didn't want to.

 No.2822

>>2820
Well, I was explaining that I was trying to be vauge in the OP to avoid doing it, but since I've been asked I will say it now anyway.

But what you are looking for is https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CouldSayItBut

 No.2823

>>2821
It's not just specifically about that thread. I just want to bring up the potential dangers of such for the future.

 No.2824

>>2822
Ah yes, that's it!  Thanks!

 No.2832

>>2813
It's not really a problem unless it mocks users, I'd say.

 No.2835

>>2832
Something eoesnt have to movk a specific person for it to be insulting to them. If its mocking something they enjoy or a hobby they have.

 No.2836

>>2835
If you feel insulted because someone insults your hobby, then thats all on you.
People insult Digimon and I couldn't care less about that.

 No.2837

>>2836
Because you generally dont care about other people, including what thet think. Because you're mean. But normal people can be insulted by other's words.

 No.2838

>>2837
You are calling me mean and saying that I'm not "normal".

I don't think that's nice.

 No.2839

Generally mocking other people's hobbies is not a kind thing to do. You do treat people poorly in many ways, Iara, and that's why people are unkind to you in return.

>>2837

Please do not call someone abnormal because they function differently from you, that can be really hurtful.

 No.2840

>>2838
You just said you didn't care.

>>2839
I'm trying to make a point. Not everyone has a complete disregard for other people. Sometimes being told something you enjoy or something that you are is deserving of mockery CAN be hurtful to someone, even if they aren't the target.

Isn't that why we don't allow slurs like "faggot" on the board? Because even if that word isn't directed at you, having that word be used freely on the board can hurt someone.

 No.2842

>>2839
>You do treat people poorly in many ways, Iara, and that's why people are unkind to you in return.
Well, I would be kind to people if they were king to me. See the vicious circle that generates here?

 No.2843

>>2842
It doesn't work that way. You can't come out swinging and expect kindness. You need to be nice first, and then maybe people wouldn't be so mean to you.

I know I was kind to you when we first met, but you were still abrasive in many ways, even before I found out how you were manipulating me.

 No.2844

>>2842

You be kind first, then you get kindness back. You are seemingly rude and awful to others by default, which is how you make enemies.

 No.2845

>>2843
>>2844
Well this thread is getting sidetracked. I suggest to stop.

I'm just gonna say that your views are hypocritical. For all your talk about kindness, wherever someone doesn't fits your mold, you aren't shy of attacking. You are worse than you paint me, and you should look at that. At least I realize I have flaws, but what's your excuse?  

 No.2846

>>2845
Actually, it's more on-topic than it would initially appear. Why don't you try being nice?

 No.2847

File: 1545362857000.jpg (15.19 KB, 214x170, 107:85, Pics for ants.jpg) ImgOps Exif Google

>>2846
Well, since you are talking about it:

Like I said: I'm nice with the people who show me kindness. Otherwise, I'm impartial. But never rude (albeit totally abrasive and snarky. My bad) unless I think that person deserves it or they are rude to me as well. That, in turn, makes THEM be cruel as well, even worse than me. And it shows people's true colour against divergent opinions and ideals. It shows the side that people try to repress or hide, SPECIALLY in a board like this one, where niceness is but an insincere mask.

I stand by all actions, because they are basically the same you guys yell at me. 'be nice and people will be nice'. Why not 'you be nice and I will be nice?'. Same old song and dance of people who will not budge in and be the better person. I know for a fact I am not the better person here, and I'm immature and self-centered.  

 No.2848

>>2843
>even before I found out how you were manipulating me.

And for the last time, I was not manipulating you or anything. Get that off of your head.

 No.2850

>>2848
You intentionally kept the truth from me and only admitted the truth after I found out on my own. You never told me truth and would have continued to lie to me if I hadn't. There's no other way to describe it other than a manipulation.

>>2847
Admitting you are immature and self-centered does not excuse you to be rude. Because, you know, you could always NOT be. Your expectation that everyone else cater to you is unreasonable and unlikely. If you were nicer to people, people would be nicer to you. That's just the long and short of it. In my opinion, you are using "they have to be nice first" as an excuse to never try any harder, because you know it doesn't work that way and you like not having to try and be better.

 No.2851

>>2835
Would that apply to any negativity about one's hobbies or where they hang out, then?
For example, you've made a lot of statements about the 'chans, before. Both 8chan and 4chan. Made a fair few generalizations about those who go there, too.
Wouldn't this be the exact same issue?

 No.2852

File: 1545364018809.jpg (43.53 KB, 400x400, 1:1, Gonna take this world by s….jpg) ImgOps Exif Google

>>2851
He also insulted Digimon. Saying it sucked and it was "just a copy of Pokémon".

>>2850
Agree to disagree. I stand by my views of this place being nothing but fakeness and naysayers.
If you can only be nice to the people who are nice to you, you were never a good person to begin with.

 No.2854

>>2852
>I stand by my views of this place being nothing but fakeness and naysayers.

I don't think that's an entirely justified assessment.

 No.2855

>>2847
While ultimately I do not think you are wrong, I'd say it's still more productive to be a tad more tactful, if nothing else.
I know from first hand experience that giving what you get only serves to make you look like shit and generally turn observing parties against you.

It's easy as hell to be hotheaded and respond to hostility with hostility. Problem is, it doesn't fix a thing.
Trying to get out of that standard is hard, though. So, I can understand there. It's just not really productive.

 No.2856

File: 1545364628467.jpg (93.14 KB, 766x901, 766:901, talking about havin' fun a….jpg) ImgOps Exif Google

I think we are sidetracking too hard now.

>>2855
>It's easy as hell to be hotheaded and respond to hostility with hostility. Problem is, it doesn't fix a thing.
That applies to both sides of the spectrum to be honest, not just for me.

>>2854
Hence why I said it was "my view".
Aka: What I believe. And only me. You do not have to agree with it.

 No.2857

>>2852
Not wanting to be nice to someone who is nothing but abrasive and cruel to you isn't "fakeness". It's normal. The people on this site CAN be nice to you, if you're not intentionally avoiding being nice to them like you've been doing.

>>2851
I've made statements on the atmosphere and culture of those places. I've never said they were deserving of mockery. Just that they attract a certain kind of negativity.

>>2854
But it's the only one that allows her to justify continuing to be abrasive and cruel!(USER WAS BANNED FOR RULE 5 VIOLATION: 2 WEEKS)

 No.2859

>>2856
I know. It's just general advise from someone who doesn't really live up to it.
Responding to aggression with aggression isn't something that'll ever end well, sadly.
>>2857
Mockery is irrelevant. When you say things about it like "It's an overtly hostile and anti-social place where only the worst people congregate.", or "I just don't really like the toxic environment there. I could tell being on 4chan was making me into the kind of person I didn't want to be, whether it's intentional on the people there's part or not, the nature of there being very few rules and no reprecutions for dickery means it attracts a certain type of person with a certain mindset.", it'll absolutely make people feel bad for liking those places, choosing to go there, or otherwise post on those platforms.
You've straight up said that it's a place where "only the worst people congregate".

So, why's cringe or mocking hobbies bad, but this is okay?

 No.2860

>>2859
>Mockery is irrelevant
It's not. That is what this thread is about. Mocking people or their interests.

The difference is one isn't saying that it's something one should be embarrassed about. It's an honest opinion about a place. It's the difference between saying "I don't like D&D because the dice rolling mechanics" and saying "Look at theses geeky motherfuckers playing D&D! I bet they are totally virgins who will never get laid!" One is a statement about a personal dislike of D&D, one is mocking people for liking D&D.It's a big difference.

 No.2861

File: 1545366336356.png (75.59 KB, 301x290, 301:290, 5.png) ImgOps Google

>>2860
To the statement you made at >>2835 saying "Something eoesnt have to movk a specific person for it to be insulting to them. If its mocking something they enjoy or a hobby they have."
Something can be insulting to people if it's an attack against a hobby they have.
Same issue. Same problem.

That example is nowhere near what you have said.
A better example would've been "I don't like DnD. It only appeals to losers and dorks. Playing DnD makes you into a bad person".
It's still a statement of personal dislike, but it's quite deeply hurtful to those who do like DnD.

 No.2862

>>2861
Yes, but this is SPECIFICALLY about mockery. I did not "mock" 4chan. I gave my honest opinion about the atmosphere and culture there, and the kinds of people that atmosphere and culture attract. In FACT, you just posted me saying that it may not even be intentional on the part of people who go there, but a byproduct of other factors. That isn't mockery.

 No.2863

i wanted to let the thread know that we are looking over the thread with the intention of taking action.

Thanks.

 No.2864

>>2863
Why?

 No.2865

>>2862
I never said it was mockery. I said it was hurtful and insulting to those who like the chans.
I guess I don't see why it's okay to be hurtful and insulting, so long as you aren't mocking when doing it, if that makes sense.

Way I'm looking at it is, regardless of if you stab someone, or you shoot someone, the hole still bleeds, and that's the actual problem I'd've thought.

 No.2867

File: 1545367589522.png (570.59 KB, 590x588, 295:294, Some day I'll cosplay this….png) ImgOps Google

>>2863
Let it be known that I broke no rules this time. I got full permission from Manley to respond, as stated here:

>>2845
Me:
>Well this thread is getting sidetracked. I suggest to stop.
The spoilered block was edited AFTER I got Manley's approval.

>>2846
Manley, the OP:
>Actually, it's more on-topic than it would initially appear. Why don't you try being nice?

 No.2869

File: 1545369846540.gif (879.57 KB, 693x563, 693:563, lunac.gif) ImgOps Google

>>2857

We, the moderation staff, feel that your discussions with Noonim and other users have escalated to the point of harrassment.

Noonim pleaded with you multiple times not to make accusations about his intentions or character, most recently as seen here: https://ponyville.us/canterlot/res/2658.html#2853


He is correct in stating he has not made assumptions of your intent, but you continue to do so toward him, which leads to abusive bickering, as he feels you are attacking his character. From what I understand, you are attacking his character, and you are aware of it.

At a second point, in general, you are repeatedly calling people cruel, such as here: https://ponyville.us/canterlot/res/2813.html#2857

This is far from the first instance of you repeatedly insisting a user is cruel, in spite of their pain at such statements. It is well understood that you are also frustrated and in pain, but there are nicer ways to word such things. People have found ways to disagree and argue with Iara about her behavior without accusing her of cruelty. She is also not the only poster you have treated this way.

The way you approach discussion, disagreement, and arguments has created an atmosphere of anger and disharmony. You seem interested in placing hurtful blame, rather than fostering understanding.

The staff has decided that -given your multiple cases of harrassment and aggressive behavior- you will be punished with a two week ban for violation of "Rule 5. Please do not act with extreme hostility towards any user, this includes all manner of insults, threats, and name-calling".

The severity of the ban was determined by your past behavior and current lack of understanding to the pain and pleading of your fellow posters.

 No.2906

File: 1547670997178.png (234.36 KB, 454x454, 1:1, mee.png) ImgOps Google

>>2869
the ban should be lifted by now, right?

or has someone made an "oopsie" and pushed the permaban button?

 No.2908

>>2906
No, the Dragonpuncher's ban is definitely lifted.

 No.2917

>>2906

Manley can post, yes.

 No.2918

File: 1547752856935.png (299.22 KB, 560x560, 1:1, 4DD623DC-2776-499E-B30F-CD….png) ImgOps Google

Lmao!
I think Manley got tired of all you blokes.

 No.2919

File: 1547768563661.png (10.56 KB, 400x400, 1:1, 6e462f98601ba802d78f69f8da….png) ImgOps Google

>>2918
How terrible.

 No.2921

>>2919

I'm tired of us, too, I think we may need to raze the site and start anew

 No.2922

File: 1547959724762.png (99.48 KB, 389x356, 389:356, C1634AFE-E700-4A77-A0AC-05….png) ImgOps Google

>>2921
Chillax Pepp
People with dissociative identity disorder tend to have too much on their plate. Lets not get any outlandish thoughts, shall we?

 No.2923

>>2922

It was a joke, hon

 No.2924

File: 1547997614414.gif (1.3 MB, 632x466, 316:233, 9E78547E-455B-47D2-BBA6-47….gif) ImgOps Google

>>2923
ur scary

 No.2925

File: 1548048177813.png (270.46 KB, 658x536, 329:268, TwiNervousSmile2.PNG) ImgOps Google

>>2924

i promise she's the least scary of all of us


[]
[Return] [Go to top]
[ home ] [ pony / townhall / rp / canterlot / rules ] [ arch ]