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Hello! You probably know me as Dizzy, and I was a Moderator/Co-Admin on this site for some time. Well, I'm back, but there is some clarity that needs to be clarified before we resume as normal.274 posts and 122 image replies omitted. Click reply to view.
I'm not just "Dizzy". I never have been. I suffer from multiple personalities, and treat each personality as though they are a dear sister. Not a single one of us is in charge, and we all carry our own beliefs, convictions, and ideals. We are siblings, but in one mind, as we tell ourselves.
This means the position of Luna will be occupied by one body, which is composed of 7 people and 7 names. We will all do our best to take responsibility for our sisters' actions and maintain transparency.
All 7 of us, separately, are known as Dizzy, Abby, Peppermint, Savvy, Braze, Chroma, and Grace. Our job, like before, is to communicate with the users and determine how they feel about the site and its atmosphere/policies. We expect to see you around the site, and hope you have a good time<3
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How bout Daybreaker then?
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I hate to say it, because I dislike her, but honestly Glim Glam would suit you well, Grace. She's egotistical, relatively well composed, intelligent, and has a history of conquest
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I don't even have thoughts to think about, that's how nonchalant I am on the subject. When it happened, I kinda barely knew it was happening, and didn't really care either way.
Now that this thread is out there, I guess my thoughts are that there wasn't an outside vision of needing to do anything, and so doing things has caused people to react with some mild level of panic. There also seems to be some concern over the MPD thing, and even some bad history between !!Luna and some of the users that I couldn't have even imagined had happened until everyone started acting weird about it.
In the end, though, I'm still more worried about how !!Luna feels during all of this, because they have a tendency to withdraw from people and they always seem to be depressed. I'm not sure there's going to be any negative impacts to them being back in regards to the site and its moderation, though, if there's an impact at all.
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>>2520>That knee-jerk response of "I did nothing wrong!" before saying "oops, sorry, I hadn't considered that" is self-centered.
I fundamentally disagree.
When some asshole says "Hey, you, that thing you're saying that doesn't affect anyone? It makes you a terrible person!", it's 100% reasonable to argue against that. Anyone would do that. And, that's assuming you're arguing for yourself
, not for some others, like I'm doing here, right now.
I'm standing here defending people who've been called selfish and uncaring without empathy.
Besides, how is forcing your own troubles and issues on unrelated people any less selfish? How is calling them scumbags any less of a dick move in that regard? If you're going to dismiss them all as selfish jerks who don't care if they negatively effect people, then surely you have to understand the same sort of item can apply in reverse, right? I mean, insulting others definitely negatively affects them.>Well, I mean, you're the own twisting and reframing having consideration for others and maybe coming off as an ass for not showing that consideration as if someone were "demanding" you to change. That's making a mountain out of a molehill.
Right, and you're the guy maybe coming off as an ass for demanding consideration else you'll condemn others as selfish and uncaring, making a mountain out of a molehill.>But the word "fag" is.
Yeah, no, I know. But, did you know different words have different contexts? People can use words differently?
It's common within urban black areas to call one another "nigger". despite its use as a racial slur. Does that mean they're a bunch of inconsiderate selfish jerks? Do they just not care if they remind other people of how shit their lives are?>knowing that it's used that way, then that does kind of place a responsibility on their shoulders, as they could reasonably be expected to understand that certain words are commonly used to hurt others.
So basically black people who say "nigger" in a friendly manner to one another are bad people, as they're using a word that they know can hurt people.
I don't buy it. That sounds dumb to me.>. I have explicitly stated, as I just did to Thauma here, and in posts before this, that even if it's understood that someone is not using a usually hostile word in a hostile way, it doesn't mean that someone isn't going to feel a negative association with it just because they know it's not being used in a hostile manner, it's not always about whether or not they feel like they are being personally attacked.
Which is exactly my complaint
You're acting as though I'm misinterpreting you here, I do not believe I am. You're saying that you cannot say slurs in a friendly manner, ever, regardless of context or social standards. It's not complex. You're saying that if you use the phrase "newfag" you're an inconsiderate selfish jerk.> But you can't change anyone's past experiences with those hostile words by doing that, you can't change how it makes them feel simply to be around them simply by using them in a non-hostile manner, especially if they have been on the receiving end of that hostility and abuse. Even if they understand you mean no harm, it can still make them feel like shit to just be around them.
Then that's their problem
. If you are so triggered by words like that that you cannot look at the context, and you have to selfishly
push your own weakness on others to make them feel like shit as a result of you calling them selfish and inconsiderate, that's entirely on you
.>And if one understands that such words are commonly used abusively, then one can be held accountable for using words that they can reasonably expect someone might not be comfortable being around because of their experience of abuse with it.
So, again, with the N word, black people who use it in a friendly manner to one another are being abusive jerks. Coolio.>Again, it doesn't matter how it's being used in any one moment to someone who has been abused with it. Even if they understand it's not being used as an expression of hostility in context.
I think it does. If they cannot take consideration for the context, they've got some serious problems that people should not be expected to cater to. >And there we go, the precise attitude that was the reason that I grew sick of being around 4chan for so long. The attitude of the culture there that grew so grating and exclusionary and comes off as so self-centered.
It's not about being self-centered, man. It's about applying the same standard to others as you'd apply to yourself. Because frankly, you're coming across as an extremely
self-obsessed moral crusader type. You're coming accross as extremely unemphatic. You've got the attitude of not at all giving a damn about labeling people some seriously terrible shit, making major accusations of them and their intentions, based on your own subjective view, which hilariously doesn't ever apply to yourself, evidently.>Have you not considered that perhaps people who would find the atmosphere hostile and depressing because of those terms were all driven away?
Have you not considered that perhaps people who would find the hostile atmosphere you give off because of your moral crusading and attacks on others who dare disagree with you drives people away from you?
Have you at all considered you might be contributing to a toxic atmosphere that was a huge
part of why I ended up moving to MLPchan back in the day, away from Ponychan and its extremely self-centered popularity competition judgementfest?
Because, seriously, this is exactly the type of attitude that burnt me out of that place. The ease people have of assuming the absolute worst in others, the hilarious hypocrisy of people who whine about empathy and compassion while calling others selfish and unempathetic, and generally calling folk who disagree some of the most terrible stuff out there.
Like, this whole thing seems to give a shocking lack of self reflection ,to me. You can't claim to be empathetic, you can't claim to care about what you might say about other people, when at the same time, you're calling people selfish assholes for talking as they please with friends in their own communities.
>>2520>But if the response is something like "well I don't have to care about other's feelings!" or some sort of denial that anyone might be negatively effected instead of something like "oops, my bad, sorry about that", well then, I'm going to see that person as self-centered and selfish
The problem here is that you're assuming
that's the response.
You're also demonstrating that you
don't give a damn about their feelings, directly, without implication, because you're straight up saying
that they're selfish assholes.
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This is a pretty decent conversation, but maybe start a thread for it? Maybe it's too late for that now, I dunno. Just doesn't seem like this is the right thread.
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I dunno if I really want to continue it, to be honest. He kind of started with some passive-aggressive insults, and it seems to only be getting worse now.
Just going outright saying "maybe coming off as an ass", now.
Don't think I like this guy, bluntly put.
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Well that's fair, I guess. I already gave my opinion on the subject way higher up, so I haven't been reading the text walls.
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Still fighting about that nice word?
I mean its not even four-lettered. How can it be bad.
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I know I'm a bit late but
HOLY SHIT YOU'RE BACK! HI! We missed you!
Or at least I did.
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I hope i get to meet Braze today.
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no, but we co-operate to make it a bit easier
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Have you chosen a pony to represent your own unique perspective and qualities?
a lost pony chooses a Pinky ponk pony pie because while she's oversensitive to things said to her and quick to despair when she doesn't get validation, she's also quick to recover when given that validation and wishes to be positive and share it with everyone.
For a while I saw her as the pony I wanted to be with
and Twiggy more as the pony that represents me, but I realized that thinking I'm smart, neurotic and diligent like PurpleSmart is inaccurate wishful thinking. A simpler-minded, emotionally driven and impressionable but deeply compassionate individual is more the pony I wanna be.
you certainly seem compassionate and sweet, i'd say pinkie fits you will
i'm just posting as nightmare moon because nightmare moon is angry and abrasive
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So you are feeling angry and abrasive?
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not so much right now, since i trust you
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Is that a defining characteristic in general?
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it's true, those bipeds are awful.
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Omigosh i loved meeting Braze today.
Next up: omigosh omigosh omigosh it's Abby! Toy time yaaay lookin forward to tomorrow.
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>>2578>people hurt each other too much, is what it boils down to
Sometimes a person's own body cells hurt and even kill him. In fact, cancer is one of the leading causes of death.
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i've done my fair share of hurting, i never said i didn't hate myself too
Don't talk about things you don't understand. >>2583
I shouldn't get into it yet.>>2586
Ponychanners told me all about it. Please know you are not the only one hurting and please try to forgive. Forgiveness is as much for yourself as others. Your hate is keeping your hurt alive.
Thats right this is none of my business and im sorry to be in your way. again. I dont have to say any more if you dont prompt me.
Well, I want you to know I'm not angry at you. But I feel like you don't have the whole story. Since you haven't heard my side of it from me.
Unfortunately, I don't think here is a good place to get into it. It would only derail things further. But I wouldn't be against talking to you about it some time and some place later, to make sure you have all the facts straight.
You know my discord or you can suggest a place. If and when you want to.
I'm grateful, mr Manley.
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Maybe each of your personalities can introduce themselves and tell us something unique about themselves?
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I hope happy days find you again soon!
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It highlights the irrational fear/intolerance people have regarding mental health. Even among supposed pony people and it's so good to hear a constructive comment like yours, thanks!>>2614<
I'm in mad pony love with the sisters and i'm so happy to know youses. I hope that's ok to say!
edit: i just noticed my name is missing. In case there was any doubt, this is lost pony.