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 No.4301

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I told Ella that I’d explain my views. This probably isn’t the format they wanted and I don’t know if it’s a /townhall/ appropriate format, but I want to make this before I’m banned (self inflicted) for the week.

The first video explains a lot of my views and outlook, not only in terms of what I believe, but why and the emotion behind it. Although I personally believe that accelerationism is the only option, it’s a major risk and it could completely backfire, but I see it as the equivalent of cutting off an infected limb. There’s a high chance that you’ll die very quickly of blood loss and you’ll be permanently disabled, but if you don’t remove it you’ll definitely die from the poison limb itself, as it infects the rest of your body. This is why I’m voting Labour, because I think, I’m hoping that Labour will crash the economy which will lead to either a coup or a civil war, which is better than the alternative of dying slow, if we die we do it with at least some honour, and there’s always the chance that we may win, and if we end up dying slow anyway (I think a civil war is inevitable at this point, it’s a matter of when, not it for me at this point, but it’s possible that it may not occur. My guess is that it will all kick off in about 10-15 years from now.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=m5a5bRyU-q8

Just in case anyone doesn’t know, the Labour Party is full of actual Communists, not Bernie Sanders tier “Democratic Socialists,” but actual Communists. John McDonnell’s, the guy who’ll be in charge of the countries economy as the Chancellor of The Exchequer when Labour wins, and I think they will almost definitely win a slim majority at least, unironically calls himself a Marxist, and another main figure in the Party, Diane Abbott said, and I quote “Mao did more good than harm.”

Please watch this video. It’s a good summary of the Labour Party, in their own words.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=f6NxkmIGcnc

John McDonnell quote.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=A39g5yXrtA0

This fucking psycho unironically calls people his comrades in parliament and quotes from Mao’s Little Red Book. I can not stress enough the fact that this guy will be the Chancellor of The Exchequer when/if Labour win, the guy primarily in character of the economy, and he’s a self described Communist, who calls people his comrades and quotes Communists books in parliament.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=8mmFEY9kS0Q

Diane Abbott quote.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=uB4o5n2EGyA

I honestly fear imprisonment if Labour win. I could potentially go to prison for a lot of what I say daily, but they’re really going to crack down on the far right. I’m going to have to keep my mouth shut or I could actually face months, possibly even years in prison with rapists and murders for saying the wrong thing.

I don’t think I’ve told anyone this. But my mum went to prison for hate speech a long time ago. A Black man harassed her and called her a White bitch when she told him to fuck off, to which she responded by calling him a Black bastard. She went to jail for a few months because a police officer overheard the conversation, nothing happened to him. That was years ago and I was luckily living with my gran at that time.

A mother was arrested for misgendering a transwomen online a few months ago, and to my understanding quite a few people have been arrested for this. And that’s under a “Conservative government,” what’ll actual Communists be like.

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/cwn/2019/february/uk-mom-arrested-for-calling-transgender-activist-a-man-nbsp

Right now you’re safe if you only talk about this stuff on imageborards because these places are anonymous, but IP’s are not Anonymous, and the next government could very well crackdown on imageboards. Remember that joke I made two days ago, people have went to jail in this country for far less, and more people go to jail for even pettier things regularly, and increasingly.

I’m unironically not only going to have to hold my tongue because I don’t want to lose my friends, I’ve said things here, but especially on ponychan that could get me put in jail for years. I’m an adult, and should have to consider my choice of words accordingly, because they will be lenient on me because I’m only 18, especially considering some of the things I’ve said.

This is why I’m so anxious and have occasional breakdowns. The election is the 12th, and despite this I’m voting Labour. It’s hard choice, but I can’t let my personal emotions or short term consequences cloud my judgment, in the long term voting Labour os the right thing, even though countless will suffer as a result. It’s the limb that has to be cut off. And I say this only 3 days after a wholesaler crowd of people were slashed up by a gang of 100 machete welding youths in our country’s second biggest city.

This was a lot longer than I thought it’d be, but I’m satisfied with it.

 No.4302

Unfortunately, you have circumvented the anonymity of this board, so I know that you are someone I do not trust because of your past actions. That isn't supposed to be the case on this board, so take care to preserve your anonymity better next time.  

That being said, if anyone wants to discuss the topic of this thread I will say that I have seen people on the far right create false narratives that people on the left are somehow out to get them, but it's been my experience these ideas are often exaggerated and/or inflated past the point of being logical.

 No.4303

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>>4302
>Unfortunately, you have circumvented the anonymity of this board,
All I’ve shared on this site is a few pictures of myself and the city I live in.

The only social media accounts I’ve ever made in my entire life is a Facebook when I was like 10. I haven’t used it since I was 12 and I completely purged everything off it when I was ~15-16.

I’m pretty confident that no one from this site could find out who I am IRL if their life depended on it.

>false narratives
If you’re talking about America I 100% agree, but things really are that bad in most of Western Europe. Again read my post and watch some of the videos related. These people are literally Communists, by their own word, and you’ll find countless articles from mainstream news sites of people getting months or even years in prison for hate speech.

The top video isn’t really relevant for you, but the rest provide good context and proof of what I’m saying.

 No.4304

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>>4303
Thankful Moth meant your anonymity as a poster on ponyville. This board is SUPPOSED to be completely anonymous, nobody is supposed to know who the other person is, in order to not let personal biases cloud the discussions.

Important to note that I, personally, never try to hide my identity on this board when I do occasionally post here, so I don't really care if you don't either.

 No.4305

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I'm really not sure whether to say you're being stupid for voting for the people who completely oppose your political ideology, or encourage you more so the "right people" (personal opinion) get into power.

I think it's quite frankly ridiculous to say that the Labour party gaining control will crash the economy and start a civil war. I think it's ridiculous to say that the economy crashing would even start a civil war to begin with.

However, As far as I know from my limited knowledge of British economic history, Great Britain's economy has never really crashed completely before, unlike America, so you may be right. There's no past events to really provide evidence, since the last Civil War in Britain was about who was supposed to be King.

Either way, I think it's really dumb to try to steer your country towards a civil war, especially since it will most likely put you, yourself, in a lot of physical danger, given your views and also your circumstances (poor and autistic, not two things that really work out well in war settings I imagine).

But hey, go for it. The worst that can happen is you're correct and a civil war does happen, and the best that can happen is you're wrong and the right people get put in charge and you'll (possibly) see the error in your judgement.

 No.4307

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>>4304
Going Anonymous makes me uncomfortable. Makes me feel like I’m lying to people somehow by masking my identity, plus considering that this is a political board and my views I wouldn’t exactly be big mystery if I did go Anonymous.

>>4305
>I'm really not sure whether to say you're being stupid for voting for the people who completely oppose your political ideology, or encourage you more so the "right people" (personal opinion) get into power.
Did you read my post? These people are genuine Communists, by their own word. Again The Labour Chancellor of The Exchequer literally calls himself a Marxist and quotes passages from Mao’s Little Read Book in parliament. Watch the videos if you don’t believe me.

Are you a Communist? If not why would you support Labour?

I don’t know how to answer the rest of your questions in a honest way that doesn’t make me sound not good. Do you want me to send you it off site or something? I finished the response.

 No.4308

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>>4307
I'm Communist adjacent (still Val now on phone).

I dont really appreciate the guy acting like Mao was a good person but the fact that he was Communist wasnt why he was bad.

I dont really need the full response, I think I get the gist of your beliefs and why you believe them from your OP, I was mainly giving my thoughts and speculations about all of it.

 No.4309

>>4307
also in regards to Anon, I completely agree

 No.4310

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>>4308
Yeah I’m just going to leave. This thread was only made for Ella because she wanted me to answer a question.

I don’t know if I should have made this even though she was so nice to me. But it’s cool that you can just say whatever you want about your ideology that killed over 100 million people and not be judged for it. At least someone’s enjoying that luxury.

 No.4311

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>>4310
I didnt really say my views so thats kind of an assumption but...

All right, bye.

 No.4312

>>4311
You’re a Communist.

 No.4313

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>>4312
I'm Communist adjacent.

People who agree 100% with every single part of their political ideals are stupid.

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>>4313
Yeah and I’m National Socialist adjacent, because I don’t believe literally everything Hitler said. But that isn’t going to stop you calling me a Nazi, is it?

 No.4316

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>>4315
I dont really care about being called a Communist, though.

If youre not a Nazi then dont be bothered by people calling you a Nazi. "Wow you sure showed me, you called me Not What I Am."

Either way, its not really important to this particular thread. As you said, you made it to explain your views. Youve done that. I dont think either of us really wants to argue about Nazis and Communists and whatever, so lets just drop it.

 No.4317

>>4316
Fair enough.

I’m just waiting for Moony to come online so I can ask for my weeks ban. I really wish he gave me it when I originally asked.

 No.4318

>>4317
Yeah, though you probably could have pushed for it harder. When I asked to be banned I had to go through Thorax and even that was a pain.

Turns out I cant even be banned for long periods of time anyways, my IP changes every 24 hours or so, so that's fun.

 No.4319

>>4317
Well I just reported this post so maybe that will help.

 No.4320

>>4318
I told him to ban me when the /canterlot/ thread was locked, because I believed it was going to be locked soon because of the controversy, and then Moony just disappeared. And I was stupid enough to make this thread in that time just because someone ask me nicely. (Nothing against Ella, she seems really nice.)

>>4319
Thank you!

 No.4321

>>4307

Marxists doesn't neccessarily mean communists.

Marxism is essentially a critique of capitalism alongside a speculation about a direction that capitalism inevitably leads to.

"Marxists" can be an adjective to describe a lot of other ideological positions that essentially pick up where Marx left off, or which mostly agree with Marx (usually in terms of his concept of dialectical materialism) but disagree on other key points (hence the existence of things like Marxism-Leninism, Maoism, Juchae, etc ...)

>>4315

Nazi/Facism are often used in the broader sense to describe a broad set of ideologies that are characterized by reactionary authoritarian ultra-nationalism, often historically using inconsistent justification for their goals, oftentimes contradictory to their past justifications as is convenient to them, as which is characterized by anti-intellectualism, and often revolving around a cult of personality

https://www.pegc.us/archive/Articles/eco_ur-fascism.pdf

 No.4322

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>>4321
>Marxism is essentially a critique of capitalism alongside a speculation about a direction that capitalism inevitably leads to.
I’m personally anti-Capitalism, but I’d deconstruct it from a right wing perspective. For example starting with the premise I’d argue that it’s innately a materialistic and soulless worldview and that society should instead revolve around the people and culture of said society, not any specific ideology or economic system. Economics should be seen as a means to an end, (that end being the prosperity of the people of said society) not an in of itself. Free movement of goods is beneficial to the economy, but it hurts the people because it ships jobs overseas and often leads to the degradation of entire industries, or towns or cites that were once a major manufacturing hub, drugs and the free trade of similar substances (including many that are currently legal) are good for the economy, but they hurt the people, public services such as free healthcare, public schools, public transportation, etc hurt the economy, but they benefit the people. Every decision taken by the state should be taken with one question in mind “does this benefit the people as a whole,” I couldn’t care less if it damages the economy, if it benefits the people to a greater extent than the economic harm affects them negatively then it should be taken without hesitation. The economy is a tool, not a religious icon.

I don’t think that makes me a Marxist. And yeah I agree that other forms of Communism exist aside from Marxism, but I don’t think you can have Marxist system that isn’t Communist.

 No.4324

>>4322
>>4322
>I’m personally anti-Capitalism, but I’d deconstruct it from a right wing perspective. For example starting with the premise I’d argue that it’s innately a materialistic and soulless worldview and that society should instead revolve around the people and culture of said society, not any specific ideology or economic system.

I think you agree with Marx far more than you realize.

>Economics should be seen as a means to an end, (that end being the prosperity of the people of said society) not an in of itself.

Again, agreeing with Marx more than you realize.

>Economics should be seen as a means to an end, (that end being the prosperity of the people of said society) not an in of itself. Free movement of goods is beneficial to the economy, but it hurts the people because it ships jobs overseas and often leads to the degradation of entire industries, or towns or cites that were once a major manufacturing hub, drugs and the free trade of similar substances (including many that are currently legal) are good for the economy, but they hurt the people, public services such as free healthcare, public schools, public transportation, etc hurt the economy, but they benefit the people. Every decision taken by the state should be taken with one question in mind “does this benefit the people as a whole,” I couldn’t care less if it damages the economy, if it benefits the people to a greater extent than the economic harm affects them negatively then it should be taken without hesitation. The economy is a tool, not a religious icon.

Again, more fundamental agreement with Marx here.

>I don’t think that makes me a Marxist. And yeah I agree that other forms of Communism exist aside from Marxism, but I don’t think you can have Marxist system that isn’t Communist.

Well, what exactly constitutes "communism" is not even agreed upon by Marxists. Marx never proposed any particular structure for a socialist or communist society, in fact, those words had been coined before Marx wrote or speculated about the course of future history. He mostly used the words to refer to a more abstract and loose concepts of a socialist state (a state where the labourers own the means of production and this have true political power) and a communist society (a form of anarchist society with no state (obviously), no money, and no social classes)

Not all marxists are communist (especially the right-wing ones), they're fundamentally Marxists because they agree with his concept of the material dialectic, even if they disagree with his conclusions, as tgat concept distinguishes Marxism from more classical forms of socialism and anarchism. I.e. the idea that material needs are ultimately the core driver of history, with each stage of economic development (and development of the political structures that support them) representing the continued effort to maximize human freedom from needing to exist in a state of constant labour. Which, well, were literally using the products of that historical pattern to discuss this right now. Basically, Marx was arguing that capitalism, while beneficial at first, taken to its logical conclusion ultimately implodes on itself, and thus is not the end of the material dialectic. He speculated that there would be two more stages of economic order to any civilization after a capitalist stage, a socialist stage and finally a communist stage.

Now, I personally don't agree with Marx but that's mostly because I lean more post-modernist (an actual post modernist, not the right-wing strawman of one) and am skeptical of any ideological position that proposes a grand narrative to human history.

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Well thank you for making the thread Mint, but I think I didn't communicate clearly earlier. also sorry if the thread made you anxious, reading through it, it looks like it did

When I asked for your views on things earlier, I was trying to ask for your views on race, and why you hold those views. I wanted to understand why you think some races are better than others, and what got you to those conclusions.

If that isn't something you can talk about on the chan, just let me know. Maybe we can swap discords or something at some point.

Either way you put some work into making this thread, so I will watch the videos you posted.

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>>4326
I’m in a self inflicted ban because for some reason Moony can’t ban me properly, but I don’t think he’d mind me sharing my Discord. Mint horse#9976

Also thank you!

>>4324
Same to you, I can’t respond for another week.


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