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Reports like this has been floating around various news sources: http://www.bpnews.net/53177/report-young-adults-less-lgbt-tolerant

""Overall, only 45 percent of non-LGBT respondents in the younger bracket said they were "very" or "somewhat" comfortable around LGBTQ people... [with] young males, dropping from 62 percent in 2016 to 40 percent in 2017, then 35 percent in 2018.""

This sort of thing makes me think about broader issues, even if the actual poll could be distorted or just an outlier. LGBT rights over the past three decades or so has been remarkable and kind of unprecedented in terms of social movement success. Do you see any evidence of it stopping? Or even possibly reversing in the future?


I really don't see it going back. When I was young, "gay" wasn't really a thing you saw or understood. It was an insult you threw at your classmates. You hardly ever saw it on TV, and when you did it was always stereotypes.

Nowadays, kids see LGBT characters on the TV shows and cartoons they watch. There's more exposure to it, and moreover, a reinforcement of the idea that gay people are just people and it isn't something you need to fear or even worry about. It's just how some people are, and that's totally alright.


I've had a lot of my young friends fall down anti-sjw rabbit pipelines recently. I believe it could be a trend. There's a lot of incentive to position progressive movements as an outgroup, especially among teenagers, who will always want to be edgy, and who now view the progressive movement as the status quo.

It is not a new thing, that young people position themselves in a counterculture or countermovement to the status quo. Swift rises in LGBT acceptance, are likely to incentivize positioning LGBT members as an outgroup, both for entertainment and increased feelings of self-worth, I think, it's a natural counterpush. But it could easily be a temporary phase, for these kinds of young people, or a barrier for entry, sort of, where you have to first acquaint yourself with LGBT groups and get to know and understand them, before you can accept them.


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In relation to what you're saying about whether the movement for lgbt rights will continue to advance

I don't know what you mean that equal rights for LGBT members are advancing at an unprecedented pace. It's actually not really advancing. There haven't been any major strides, and there have even been a few setbacks, under trump. So in a sense, we're regressing, legally speaking. The military ban is one of the only real large changes in legislation that can be pointed to over the past 3 years, and now it seems social opinion is falling as well, at least for the time being.

The report does show that support for equal rights is relatively stable, though, despite falls in comfort, so I imagine they will continue to be stable, or perhaps fall a bit.


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I really don't know.  Certainly there's room for random variation, but I think you're thinking of a wider trend.

"the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice"


things oscillate around some mean, so if the times seem more moral than average, expect regression

In physics, you'd be concerned with how the second derivative (with respect to time) depends on the current state of things.  If a lot of acceptance makes people wish to see less acceptance, it's an oscillation.  If acceptance breeds more acceptance, it's an upward arc.

I really can't profess to understand humans and sexuality very well.  History has shown a good deal of lack of acceptance, at least by the conquering forces that tended toward dominance.  But overall, not much data to go on.


I've seen the "Anti-SJW" trend, but mostly as it applies to political, racial and feminist movements. I've never seen it applied to LGBT issues.  Although, I could be mistaken, since I'm not part of the LGBT community. Even the term "SJW" has become a dog whistle for "groups who's arguments and stances you should automatically ignore if you are a white male" so I can easily see LGBT rights issues being included in that. I think it's become a bigger problem than people are ready to admit.


I'm personally concerned that the 'arc of history', as such, doesn't really exist and it's all a lot of tenuous gains that could easily slip back.

After all, look at how sexually acceptable Berlin was in the 1920s and 1930s. Then, the Nazis rolled in. Extreme case, for sure, but things can move backwards quickly.


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>'arc of history', as such, doesn't really exist

In modern times we live as Kings and Queens in an absolute sense (although humans still shuffle relatively into rich and poor) because of our access to energy, and therefore access to a wider range of experience and education.  If there is an arc, it probably has to do with this.  So you might fear the energy spigot turning off.

>Then, the Nazis rolled in.

Also brings up an idea that repressive, perhaps hateful groups can cobble together a military force to catch more liberally-minded folks off guard.  The Nazi state only lasted 12 years, though, it wasn't an enduring trend, and if anything people generally recoiled to less bigoted positions.

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