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The last one autosaged, so here we go.
-EVERYONE MUST READ THE OP BEFORE POSTING IN THE THREAD-
This thread is all about LGBT+ so you can talk about your experiences, coming out stories, things you've done or taken part in, at cetera. Really just anything you want to talk about. If you want, you can even just hang out and talk in a safe space.
Please keep all arguments and major discussions out of this thread. If you see something someone said that you would like to discuss in detail about, please make another thread. Any other major discussion points can make a thread on /townhall/.
Please keep in mind that this is a positive environment. When responding to people, use affirming language rather than challenging language. In short, do not try to deter people from their courses of self discovery.
Discussion of dysphoria should be kept in the realm of personal experiences and helping people through those feelings if they have them.
Also if you are not LGBT, you are welcome in this thread, however do not talk over the people who are LGBT. You're more or less guests here, allies or not, so please act like it. I know pretty much all of you are good people and wouldn't even think of doing anything, but it's important to say.
Terfs, transmedicalists, and anti-Mogai are, as always, not allowed.
More additions to the rules of conduct may be added in the future or future threads, but for now that's about it.
I would also like to point out that if you would like to use this thread as a general "hang out" thread, you are welcome to do so. Posting here does not require you to stay on topic of LGBT issues or anything like that, just be kind and courteous to those who do want to use the thread for that.
As a personal aside, I want to say that this thread is something of a personal safe haven for me. I apologize in advance if I seem a little strict with what goes on in this thread. I'm just trying to carve out a section of this site where I feel comfortable, because I would rather not leave here forever.
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Hey weirdo stop that, get out here. Pet this cat
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*pets the kitty and trades you a floox*
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Fifth for cute furry boys.
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I kind of had like, a little bit of an insight to something that happened a few weeks back. Or maybe a bit longer back, can't remember.
I saw that my partner called one of his lady friends a cuty, or something along those lines, and at the time it had kind of made me jealous. I guess cause I kind of felt like, "i thought he only talks to me that way" type of thing. And I kept brooding on it until it finally got to the point where I basically gave myself a mental beratement and asked myself why I was actually so jealous over something so little, which eventually led me to another question of, 'was he not caring when he called other girls that, or is that simply how he expresses his affection to people?'
And I realized that, yea, that second part was true. That's always how he has expressed himself.
It was just kind of one of those lightbulb moments.
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Ah, that's good that you got past that. But yeah, people tend to give the same sorts of affection and use the same terms of endearment for everything. Most people don't really see this because they don't see their significant others being affectionate to other people, usually.
A big part of open relationships and poly relationships is working out WHY you feel jealous of some things. Generally if you're too jealous of a person, you wouldn't want to be in a poly relationship, but if you're not usually jealous it can be weird to suddenly get jealous of some things.
A lot of it is, in my opinion, society based. I think people are naturally jealous of partners showing affection to other people because of evolution and stuff like that, but I think the majority of it comes from societal pressures telling you what you should feel jealous of.
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>>985589>>985589>I think the majority of it comes from societal pressures telling you what you should feel jealous of.
Yea that is probably a big part of it. And I think I've been feeling more comfortable and secure with myself and us in general. Like, I love him because he's him and I want to be in his company. And part of him is that he is a very loving person and social, and most people like him for that. That's a good thing. I shouldn't feel jealous about that, I should be proud that I get to share my life with someone so kind and loving, and I am.
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It's OKAY to be jealous, too. Just don't let it consume you. Jealousy is a completely normal reaction to have for some things. What you did in this situation is EXACTLY what you should do. Take a step back and think about the why. It's even okay to talk to him about it if you need to. So you did really good, you should just know that you shouldn't feel BAD for being jealous sometimes.
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He would hardcore tease me for feeling bad too
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OP this has a crotch shot and is mildly sexual, I demand you kick off immediately the same way you did to me
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Oh! You're Welcome.
I was a bit concerned with your response, so I just want to say, don't rely on just one person when asking about these things. Most of us who experience dysphoria have our own particular ways in which it manifest and mine, for the most part doesn't really manifest from seeing my reflection quite as much as it does for others.
Yeah, I get that it's an individual thing. That was the first time I had really noticed, and I was kinda panicky.
I shaved today and that might have helped a bit, maybe? Not sure if that's why, but I think my face looks less grotesque now, and it's not distorting as badly either.
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I have heard some transgender people describing similar experiences to yours though.
That sort of tendency to hyper focus on the parts of your face that don't feel right and seem gross to you. I guess for you that manifest in how you process your own reflection. If you are gender dysphoric, you would be far from the first transgender person to feel like mirrors are their nemesis
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When I was going through my gender questioning phase, I found it helped to find transgender people who are willing to share their own stories and share their own experiences. Like, sharing what they feel, what led them to question their own gender and what led them to figure out they were transgender. That sort of thing.
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thinking about deleting my face so i look as lonely and empty as i feel
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What more. What does "talking over someone" mean?
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So if someone tells a story I'm not allowed to... okay I can do that.
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wanna edit all my images to remove their face?
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It can mean either interrupting someone, or it can mean something along the lines of talking like you know something better than another person when you clearly do not.
A lot of the time it consists of allies silencing LGBT people to spout their own beliefs about things without actually considering that maybe the people they are talking about doesn't feel the way they think they do.
Consider the word Queer. Consider an ally spouting off that Queer is a slur and should NEVER be used to refer to LGBT people, not even by themselves. This is a perfect example of "talking over someone". Queer has been a slur, yes, but there are people, a lot of people, in the LGBT community that have reclaimed it, and apply it to themselves.
So, basically, don't act like you know how things really are when people are explicitly stating otherwise.
There are other ways to talk over people, but this is one of the easier examples.
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I suppose I could, but I'm not particularly interested in doing so. I just happened to have that one
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how long was i banned for, i didn't even get on until after it expired....
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probably an hour. I heard you were intentionally breaking rules
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I was intentionally calling a literal nazi a lot of true, if mean, statements because he was, once again, attacking one of my friends.
But yeah, you could call that "intentionally breaking the rules" if you think nazis deserve to be talked to with any sort of civility.
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rules apply universally, you knew what you were doing
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I try not to place any sort of assumptions onto events I was not present for, unless of course I absolutely must. In this case, I think I'll stay hands off. Besides, not worth bogging down the thread over
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And they shouldn't, at least, not civility rules towards nazis. That's how you get World War 2.
But, regardless, I really don't care. I'll take a thousand bans if it means being rude to Nazis.
It's fine, though, just people doing their jobs, can't really complain.>>986110>>986111
How are you both doing?
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No, but we're moving on. How are you today?
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Tired. relaxing and riding down a headache. I have some philosophy homework to do later
I'm well. Tired.
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Sorry to hear about your headache. Philosophy homework sounds interesting, though.
I just woke up like two hours ago.>>986122
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yay wakefulness. though some friends of ours would disagree
what time of day is it?
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It's evening, about 7 PM (it was 6 when you asked)
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ooh, west coast. I always forget where everyone is.
any plans for the evening?
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Nope. Just tumblr and hanging out.
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I'm watching videos of Cities: Skylines
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Might play some Borderlands 3 at some point.
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So I bought myself a little something today :))
I like the breeze :33
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thank you <3>hugs and kisses <3
i was talking with andrea and had the idea to just test things out, and see where they go. My dad is out of town till friday, so i have time to wear it around and see how i feel :))
i also got 3 pairs of knee socks <3
how are you, my lovely val?
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That's really cool!>hugs and kisses <3
I'm pretty good, just hanging out. How are you?
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thank you <3 my skirt has rainbows on it ^^<3
I'm happy to hear you are good! i'm happy you made another one of these threads, i always enjoy them!
i'm good! outside of my new skirt, i went to my fav burger joint, went to my classes, and i started watching my neighbors dog for the week :))
other than that, just animating :))
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Sounds like you had a really nice day!
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i would certainly say so <3
but how about you? what did you do this fine day, val?
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I slept, took a bath and shower, then ate dinner.
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you took me on a wild journey val!
like I feel like i had whiplash from the ride you took me on :PP
but in all seriousness, it sounds like you had a relaxing day so far ^^
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Yeah. I've mostly just been sleeping all day the last few days. But it's fine.
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are you feeling alright?
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hi val, i lve you, you are like the sunshine
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I'd like to know your opinion about the importance of education for LGBT+ people, i mean education to become a professional and perhaps the english language to be up-to-date with LGBT+ subjects.
Why? There is a person i had known since we were children, became a LGBT+ person and... well, not doing very well and the lack of formal education was an important factor in my opinion... made them more vulnerable to the dark site of society.
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Yep, I'm feeling the same as usual>>986217
Aw thanks, Moony. I love you too!
How have you been?
Sorry that didn't really answer the question.
I think it's important to have at least one teacher who knows about it intimately, especially in highschool.
My highschool Ag teacher was a lesbian, and her and her partner made a weekly after school meeting for the kids. It helped a lot, especially the kids that were depressed.
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i offer myself as a dakimakura if you need it :PP>>986220
education is vitally important not only for those who are questioning their sexuality and gender identities, but also to educate people in general in the history, science, and community of LGBT+
it is very easy to imagine your friend suffering because of their predicament. they may not have answers that they need, see themselves as different and outside the norm, and if people around them don't know anything about LGBT+ studies, may not understand them/accept them/ or even become violent towards them
being LGBT+ is as natural and wonderful as anything else in nature, it isn't a defect or a bug, but rather a variety of human experience that should be celebrated and understood, but humanity has had a difficult time accepting that until very recently (at least in the western nations) and i'm just ever so happy that we are experiencing more knowledge and understanding, and a paradigm shift of acceptance towards us than we ever had in the past
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The thing is that people here are not so open-minded in general.
I don't picture things like this:>My highschool Ag teacher was a lesbian, and her and her partner made a weekly after school meeting for the kids. It helped a lot, especially the kids that were depressed.
happening here, specially in public schools.
The person I am talking about did not take seriously their education and I think that made them more weak against the place where they live (which is not exactly friendly, considering i have seen myself homophobic messages painted by churches on entire walls). >>986240>they may not have answers that they need, see themselves as different and outside the norm, and if people around them don't know anything about LGBT+ studies, may not understand them/accept them/ or even become violent towards them
This is the case, they live in a conservative place...
My country has barely advanced in the matter and with economy as bad as it is LGBT+ people become like one of the last priorities.
If society cant be changed so easily (in this case) one is supposed to harden oneself.
Do you agree?
This person did not do that, is at the mercy of stigma and bad companies, I'd dare to say that the most of the useful information is in a language unknown to them.
... To be honest, I am afraid the lack of information/education/guide might end up with his health/life.
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i'm sorry for you and your friend and their situation. and in every era of human history, LGBT people have had to live in silence and in the dark corners of the world away from the harshness of the society around them. it is a real shame, yet they still struggle and survive. It does take a very thick skin to deal with that amount of hate regularly
as for your friend, have they access to information like you do? perhaps they could find online resources to better help them out? i know it's a bit dangerous to meet up and do stuff in areas like that, but having an online community can do wonders for people
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Serious question, why do you think there are a significantly disproportionate amount of LGBT people on sites like this one? Specifically transwomen, who despite making up only 0.6% of the general population seem to make up at least >90% of women on most imageboards.>>985872
What is an LGBT thread for if not cute furry boys with visible bulge?>>986182
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i totally agree, i'm just makin my point
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I’ve noticed that transwomen seem to all have a strange obsession with anime, but I didn’t realise that carried over to ponies, ha ha.>>986406
Then why aren’t you posting it?
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cuz i dont save furry boys
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Are you feeling okay after your fall? I stil think you should go to the doctor to get yourself checked out.>>986182
I have that same exact dental floss!
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I’m severely disappointed in you.>>986410
I believe I was responding to you there?>>986411
I know but that doesn’t explain why virtually only cis men and transwomen use these types of sites.
It’s not important, just something I’ve been thinking about for awhile.
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I talked my health psychology professor about this very idea.
Yes... I really did that, please don't laugh.
We talked about it at length and the best we could decide was that it was probably a selection effect.
The people who felt most opressed by rigid gender norms when mlp first came out where the ones most likely to join a club that was essentially for gender-subversive people, and also the most likely to stay because it would be hard to shame them out of liking it.
The idea that mlp could be influencing people into transness has doubtless crossed many minds, but it doesn't line up very well with any current research.
As for why no AFAB people are here, I think it comes down to 4chan largely being an extremely male dominated space with misogynistic culture. It would be hard for someone with an AFAB cultural background to fit in and have fun in this kind of environment. At conventions and meetups you see a higher ratio of women to men, suggesting that the show is probably no less appealing to a female demographic, but that they prefer different communities.
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i just don't save many images bruh, what can i say.
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>>986413>As for why no AFAB people are here
Goodness. How quickly we forget our friends here.
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>>986413>The idea that mlp could be influencing people into transness has doubtless crossed many minds, but it doesn't line up very well with any current research.
Wouldn’t that be a bit like saying that furries turn people gay? I think the more appropriate view, as you have described to some extent, would be that being gay turns people into furries, or being trans turns people into rabid MLP and Aikatsu fans, ha ha.>As for why no AFAB people are here, I think it comes down to 4chan largely being an extremely male dominated space with misogynistic culture.
Yeah, but you could say the same thing of transphobia or homophobia, possibly even more so in the case of transphobia.>>986416
I asked if there were any cis-women here.
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>>986417>I asked if there were any cis-women here.
And there are, thus the response.
I meant 'virtually' ;_;
I know there are at least a couple AFAB people here.>>986417>Yeah, but you could say the same thing of transphobia or homophobia, possibly even more so in the case of transphobia.
Kind of, but you have to remember that the majority of the trans people on site did not neccessearily know they were trans at the time where they got involved with the show.
It's also possible for someone to have internalized transphobia too, and feel like, even though they're in an environment that treats them poorly, that's actually how they should be treated.
Related but not the same, your attitude towards your own homosexuality. If someone on 4chan mentioned that homosexuality was a mental illness, this would only rebuff someone who didn't already agree with this.
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I never said that!
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I edited the post
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Oh, you were thinking of Sherlock possibly?
yeahhh... I don't have the best memory for people
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I wasn't here for the post, but I'm guessing it was Mint.
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My genius level IQ let me deduce that 1+1=2.
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You think that you're hot stuff now that you can do some math?
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So I decided to go to school with them on!
Got some weird looks, but got some smiles too! Most people don't care, which is fine by me :))
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star, you are braver than the troops
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>>986469>you are braver than the troops
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The eintirity of every troop that has, is, and will be is less brave. Is your claim.
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I hadn't even considered the topic of trans stuff before the fandom. Was basically unaware of it. It was only by exposure that I was promoted to look inward.
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Thanks you!>Hug's and kajis <3
I'm learning wind is a bit of an issue :pp
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Time to pull off the Marilyn Monroe pose.
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AAAAAAHHHH, I wish I was half as brave as you are.
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lol, maybe i won't go that far :PP
this is the closest pic i have to that!>hugs and kajis <3
you'll get there one day, Mint! You can do it too!
I knew what transgender meant long
before I ever discovered the show and I have been dealing with my own feelings about my gender sincevat least 1986 (would have been at least 5 years old at the time)
part of my attraction to ponies was the fact that it was very cute and quite girly. But for the most part it was curiosity given most of what I had heard about the brony community's attitudes towards each other (at the time) ... especially on pony image boards.
Basically I was curious how a show about colorful horses could inspire a bunch of 4chan types to create something deliberately non-4chan like.
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Yeah, I feel like I spoke a little bit out of turn, there. Like, I spoke for others without proper consideration.
Wow, that's nuts.
How did you know as a 5-year old that something was up?
I had a dream I was going to school as a girl, wearing a big cute pastel yellow dress that I think was easter themed.
I remember loving that dream, it was like one of my most cherished childhood memories actually. I remember waling up from that dream feeling like my heart was going to burst through my chest I was so excited and I felt so joyful from that.
That's pretty much where it started with me.
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Wow, as far as signs go, it could barely get more clear cut.
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But I don’t want to have to wait to become a part time trans gamer girl, I want it now!
Well, it wasn't super clear to me at the time cause when it's 1986 and you're in kindergarten you don't really have a lot of people to ask "what does it mean when one of the best dreams Ive ever had was one were I was a girl?" or to tell that I wanted to be a girl.
I actually learned that transgender people existed sometime in 1991 or 1992 and even had a dream where I was getting transition with a doctor's help.
But the way it was portrayed in much of the media at the time, I actually didn't believe that I was transgender simply because as a 10 year old, I wasn't girly enough and I didn't think of it so much as "I am already a girl" so much as "I'm actually a boy who just really wants to be a girl"
I guess as a kid, you can't imagine that the world is wrong either. Everyone else thinks of you as a boy, so that's the only way you really can understand yourself.
Even the clearest sign in the world can't on it's own reverse all of this messaging, maybe.
Edit: when you quote the wrong post for the 4th time this evening
hoooly fuck I'm so tired
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I'm so fucking tired
I guess that it was partly a matter of messaging about how no matter what I am a boy.
But I think it was really a matter of how stringent the model of what a "actual" transgender person was like at the time, which basically meant that you had to precisely
fit into the life narrative as laid out by the Harry Benjamin standards of transsexual health care. Which, insanely enough, included diagnosis criteria which required certain things to have happened in your childhood at certain specific times. And you had to suffer enough to the point that you were highly suicidal or whatever.
because life contains suffering>which basically meant that you had to precisely fit into the life narrative as laid out by the Harry Benjamin standards of transsexual health care
Who's this dude? Is he like pre-blanchard blanchard?
And why is it always a dude?
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how was your day?
better than mine, I hope
I'm not sure, but I think he was a doctor who first laid out the overall plan for gender transition back in the 60s and for decades it was the standard for how transgender women would transition.
It also included a lot of diagnosis criteria which essentially acted like some intense gatekeeping. Like, you had to have some pretty damn good reasons why you were transitioning before they would prescribe hormones, and that would have to include things like multiple suicide attempts
And since I didn't fit those criteria (which, by the way influenced the criteria for "gender identity disorder" in DSM-IV
) I thought I couldn't really be transgender.
>>986546>It also included a lot of diagnosis criteria which essentially acted like some intense gatekeeping. Like, you had to have some pretty damn good reasons why you were transitioning before they would prescribe hormones, and that would have to include things like multiple suicide attempts>And since I didn't fit those criteria (which, by the way influenced the criteria for "gender identity disorder" in DSM-IV) I thought I couldn't really be transgender.
It's really fortunate public perception has advanced as far as it has while we've been alive.
Hopefully future young trans won't have to deal with that same kind of magnitude of doubt.
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Ha ha, I thought that was for me and got really confused.I thought you were taking that trans gamer girl meme a little too far. >>986539
That’s dangerously unhealthy. Try to eat at least once a day if you have serious eating problems.
That’s also something you should talk about with your psychiatrist if you do this often.
Well, I mean, I am pretty sure that such strict diagnostic criteria is influenced by political and cultural conservatism which would see something like gender transition as something to prevent at all cost and would only accept suffering (and very specific kinds of suffering) as legitimate justification for it.
Which of course doesn't help much (despite being laid out with the best of intentions) as it just sort of confuses transgender people who don't quite fit that narrative.
So yeah, for me it wasn't really a matter of figuring out how I felt, but figuring out how what I felt was actually relevant to me
and not to those who'd have their own ideas about what it meant to be trans
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>>986549>That’s dangerously unhealthy. Try to eat at least once a day if you have serious eating problems.
It's not actually unhealthy>That’s also something you should talk about with your psychiatrist if you do this often.
And I already do.
You're right, of course.
Have you ever thought about, why it is that people think it should be prevented at any cost? I don't understand this.
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I remember my parents chastising me for acting too feminine a lot, but it never really hooked anything for me. My response was always some combination of "I'll act however I want, dumb parents." and "Fine, if you'll shut up about it." Then I left to play video games.>>986539
That's too long!
Yeah, I was really tired lol
I just now realized you're trans as well, Mondo.
How long have you been out to yourself?
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I dunno, a few years? Depends on what counts as "out to yourself". I think by puberty, or maybe a bit before, I'd decided I was uncomfortable with being a boy and wished I had been born a girl.
Like I mentioned sometime earlier, though, it didn't occur to me that this was an actionable feeling until a few years into the MLP fandom when a bunch of other people were all taking action on it. That's when I started to seriously consider what I considered myself to be (other than unfortunate).
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Just being goofy with the suggestion. That works though
Made it through just fine?>>986539
What kind of pizza and tea?
sorry for not noticing earlier, frankly
I'm such a distracted person, sometimes I don't even hardly know the people around me.>>986572
Green Oolong and red pepper, squash + vegan mozarella and homemade tomato sauce.
I'm also having some curry now.
Well, on the most abstract level, conservatism is essentially the support of preservation of a status quo, basically seeing most if not all change as being bad by default, something one has to prove is necessary.
So of course, in a gut instinctive level, someone with a conservative mindset would see such a thing as bad for a person, even before they have any good reason to, simply because it's usually the default position to assume that change is bad, unless suffeciently justified by something worse, like suicidal pain.
This is true
But by the time of Harry Benjamin I assume that the majority of Liberals and Leftists were probably on board with a similar type of mindset? What do you think?
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Oh, that's fine. It's not a huge deal. I'm just chatting on an image board.
All I know is I never met any who seemed to be able to conceive of a transgender person as anything other than the kind in the harry Benjamin narrative
It was okay. I tried shaving one of my legs and it just feels right now. I'm going to shave the other one and my arms too, see how that makes me feel.
I'm sorry to hear your day wasn't good.
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Shaved legs feel pretty great, but it's way too much effort.
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maybe you can get electro therapy or whatever this is called at some point
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I believe they use lasers.
Yeah, that might be. Right now I'm just trying it out to see if it'll make me feel better about my body.
My legs are so hairy that just getting rid of most of the hair makes a big difference. I don't plan on being super thorough. >>986592
That might be nice. It's crazy how much something can bother you without you really noticing.
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I see that there is something called electrolysis hair removal.
Does constant shaving damage the skin too much or is it because it's easier or what's the deal?
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Constant shaving is annoying, so if you just don't want hair you might get it permanently removed to save time and effort.
Do you shave yourself?
Shaving sometimes leaves a rough surface, dries out the skin, increases chances of ingrown hairs and zits, and if you're like me, you end up with a 5'oclock shadow at the end of the day.
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>>986589>and it just feels right now.
I had to read that a few times, lol. I was parsing it as "it just feels (right now)" instead of "it (just feels right) now".
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Yeah, ultimately I decided I didn't care about gender enough to do anything about it. Trying to transition wouldn't actually do anything for me. So I don't really bring it up unless other people are talking about it.
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The only 'weird' look I would give you would be a stinker face because those rainbows on the skirt are too small for my fashion taste. The rainbow should dominate that fabric and take up a much larger portion, not remind me of a sims wallpaper design.I kidd of course <3, that's awesome that you went out
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I did. Tried scarping as well but it didn't really work. Perhaps I'll try it again sometime with those female shaving razors.>>986601
That's the doll from my favorit amv.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4OGv2anoPo
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She is Cirno from Touhou.
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At least I'm consistent!
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It's surprising to me in that I didn't know it, but it fits you too.
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I'm not a big fan of bullet hells.
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You'd think most people wouldn't be. Like, it's got hell right in the title. Hell's not that great.
another anon here!>>986538
i gotta say! thank you for posting such adorable pictures <3
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Bro I am just s
I am just sitting here
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>Terfs, transmedicalists, and anti-Mogai are, as always, not allowed.
What exactly is an anti-Mogai? My quick search said that MOGAI is just an alternative to LGBTQetc., so I'm not sure what the context of anti-Mogai is supposed to be.
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MOGAI is pretty much a catch all term for any identities that arent part of the generally accepted ones you can be.
MOGAI includes neopronouns, nonbinary genders (starting with just basic nonbinary and extending to genders like stargender or other "noungenders" as some people call them), basically anything that a person might make fun of for being a "tumblr thing"... Anti-MOGAI is really just a catchall term for exclusionists and gatekeepers.
The nature of this sort of thing means that even if you dont agree that those things are valid you can still use the thread, I cant know what's in everyone's head, it's mainly that you just can't express those opinions in this thread if you have them. The point of the rule is to show that this thread is 100% inclusionist of all identities.
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>>986276>as for your friend, have they access to information like you do?
I don't think so.
But I don't think their are completely in the dark either.>perhaps they could find online resources to better help them out?
Perhaps>i know it's a bit dangerous to meet up and do stuff in areas like that, but having an online community can do wonders for people
Wonders you say?
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Constant shaving is a nuisance and can also be a highly dysphoria-inducing experience. I need to set up some laser appointments.>>986615
What about pre-danmaku STGs, like Raiden, or games by Toaplan?
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I tried to get just a bit high off a sativa so I could be high while cleaning ...
But I think I might have taken too much cause I got way more stoned than I intended have been waiting for it to subside a bit before cleaning the floors.
Then, I started getting all dysphoric and I'm having all sorts of maternal obsessions and fantasies right now, all of which are enhanced by being stoned.
Probably going to get up in ten minutes or so to sweep up the floors before mopping them
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that's good. maternity is a desire I've had as well. Being chosen to carry someone's babies is a special value I've wanted to be placed on me
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Heh, I'm stoned enough right now that I don't feel too anxious to say that that maternal desire is very much like the core of my dysphoria, and, in a bizarre way the core of my gender identity. Or at least, it's when I experience my gender identity most strongly.
It's not about if it's someone else's child, for me it's all about fulfilling the desire to be able to use my body to grow and nurture a new life.
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yeah that's a nice thought. I wish I could house a life.
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...i'm not seeing the bright side of this.
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>>986714>dark-skinned girls are hot as hell
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I wanna extend a thanks to Val for making and gently curating these threads
It's really been making me feel more secure about myself these past few days to have them around.
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>>986629>extending to genders like stargender or other "noungenders" as some people call them>stargender
You can’t be serious? I’m trying to be tolerant and understanding, but what the hell is a stargender?
Do you really think it’s a great idea to be inclusive of ALL identities, no matter how damaging they are to the community as a whole? Should pedos also be accepted into the LGBT community, and if not aren’t you excluding people?
I’ll go as far as acknowledging that most non-binary are valid, but “stargender” and other genders like it are not only absurd but actually damaging to your community. By giving a “stargender” as much credit as a transwomen you’re only delegitimising transwomen. Most normalfags don’t know anything about the trans and non-binary community, so when they see something like a “stargender” they lump these people in with transwomen.
You have to remember that 98-95% are cis and straight, like it or not but you have to bend the knee to them somewhat.
Hate to bring up a dead meme, but if I identify as an apache helicopter would you have to respect my gender identity?
Also as a quick side note, by EXCLUDING everyone who disagrees with you you’re being are more bigoted than most cis people. You’re views are at the far, far extremes, again like it or not, you have to accept this and understand that being from such a small community, and holding even more marginalised ideas you have to be tolerant of those with different opinions and identities, but the majority don’t have to be tolerant of you, and all you’re doing by excluding all wrong think and allowing literally anyone to identify as anything is marginalising yourself further and bringing even more judgement upon the LGBT, and specifically trans community.
You and all the “stargenders” out there are the reason that studies like this exist. You’re unironically even more of an ideologue than me, and at least I’m aware of being ideologue, because I don’t think you are.https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/1503758001>inb4 banned for insulting all the “stargenders,” and those who identify as other extraterrestrial bodies(User was banned for this post, 5 hours)
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As an attack helicopter I find your post offensive and request your removal of the thread.
There's a time and place to make an argument. Make a town hall thread if you feel this strongly about it. Don't go to someone else's thread and start disparaging them. That's my forte
Jesus christ, dude. It's one thread, in which it's encouraged that people be allowed to exist free from judgement.
I don't know how against site rules it is to disrupt threads, but this is the third day in a row or something you pull this shit. If you do get banned for it, it'll be completely warranted.
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This might be a good time to let you know im keeping an eye on how disruptive you are here, and it will factor into whether or not you're allowed back on /ef/.
Read the thread rules dude, its not a thread to "debate" peoples existence, its a thread for people to feel comfortable with it.
If you cant even respect that, here, where its clear and expected, what makes me think you're going to be able to handle the responsibility in a place you can say whatever you want without being a jerk?
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You don't understand the purpose of this thread. Please make a /townhall/ thread if you want to debate something, but this is not a thread about accusations and confrontational language. It says that much in the OP.
I expected better of you.
Everyone else, please stop responding to Mint and continue the thread as normal.
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>*brews a pot of coffee for everyone*
>*also drags in a cooler with water and sodas for people who don't like coffee*
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Find out that 3 star coffee is pretty much what I do when all my machines break down. What more is that they still use paper as a filter which could effect the taste drastically. What is even more is that it needs to be this expensive coffee that was shat out by some kind of racoon and it tastes just like any other regular coffee. I could understand if the racoon shit process would somehow enhance the flavor but it really doesn't.
My point is that 3-star coffee is a joke. It needs special filters (preferably somethign that can't alter the taste or does so in a possitive way) and the crap coffee meme needs to die. Seriously! Some of those farms don't treat their racoons very well.
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Kek. I just get my coffee from the dollar store. Unless they run out of the fancy stuffb their offbrand stuff is oily and literally smells like...putrid, I don't know, it's nasty.>>986606
So...question, would you prefer to be refered to as a girl/women? Or is that something that doesn't hold much weight for you?>>985933
Honestly, I was kind of confused for a long while if you were a girl/guy, but I was too socially awkward to ask lol.
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Well that was a fun thing to wake up to and already have resolved.
From now on Mint is not allowed in this thread, period. If he wants to make his own with blackjack and hookers, he can do that, but after this its just a blanket ban against him.
Idk if the mods will enforce this but I'd like to ask people to not engage with him if he posts in here. Of course it's up to you, but I would appreciate it greatly.
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You are very welcome. I'm really glad you've found these threads to be helpful, since thats honestly one of the two reasons they exist. I hope things continue to be good for you here.
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>>986879>Idk if the mods will enforce this
My guess is that they'll be quick with the banhammer if he posts anything questionable, but if hypothetically he makes a well-thought, respectful, positive contribution, I can't see them banning him for making a good post.
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I wouldn't expect him to be banned for anything that wasnt outright rulebreaking but they could still enforce it in other ways, like deleting his posts.
If he can behave himself or even just apologize adequately then he can post here, he just hasn't shown himself to be capable of doing that (for longer than like 3 posts at a time). So its really just up to people to ignore him if he does post. Which I can only hope.
Its also not like there hasnt been cases in the past on Ponyville where mods have enforced a policy where certain people arent allowed to engage with each other. Arguably making it about only one thread rather than all threads by someone is a smaller step than that. So who knows.
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Manly had to be prevented in engaging in political type threads, I don't see why Mint couldn't be prevented from engaging in a similar fashion. I'll formulate a thread on /site/ unless someone beats me to the punch. I don't think an immediate ban is nessisary, but something needs to be done, more than nothing.
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Well I would appreciate that. Honestly if it were anyone else saying they would make a thread about it on /site/ I would say they were overreacting or moving too fast, but since it's you it seems like the right option.>>986886
Morning Andrea, how are you doing?
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Tiny bit buzzed, enjoying my coffee, watching a video on YouTube where a YouTuber I sometimes watch has come out of the closest that she is transgender and that HRT is why her appearance has been changing the past few months.
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I'm working for the next 4ish hours, so forgive the lateness of it. I prefer to use my computer when posting, and am not the most eloquent when it comes to expressing my points. So if anyone makes the thread ahead of time I'll put my two cents in.
But, back to work. Back in a bit.
Thanks! That feels so good to hear, hahah!>>986879
I'm going to ignore him in this thread from now on, and report any posts of his that get disruptive. Hopefully that works. >>986881
I'm sure they will. Everyone here is so lovely and the atmosphere is just right. >>986886
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I'm at work for 8 hours so it wont be me,but I appreciate it when you get around to it.>>986889
Oh sounds like a good morning.
Thats really cool, what youtuber is it?
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Good morning >>986893
It's a nice morning, the buzz is making me feel really comfy in my body right now.
And it's Hugo (for now), from Hugo and Jake (for now). One of the political commentator channels I sometimes watch. they uploaded a clip from a live stream they did recently where hugo explained why she had long hair and basically no facial hair anymore and was seemingly changing shape over the course of past live streams, was that she's been transitioning the past six months and felt like she was past the point of needing to come out to the audience about it.
Surprising, sure, but bot too
surprising in hindsight
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So I gave my shot at shaving my legs today
And now I see why hot wax is an option, cause it took me a freaking hour!
I also accidentally sliced the back of my leg and ankle :pp
And I didn't do a fantastic job, but I got most of it :))
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Also trying some though highs! My legs are a bit thicker and longer than your standard gal, so they barely make the thigh, plus they keep rolling down on me ;pp
But they feel good otherwise :))
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Thanks for the heads up!>Hugs and kajis <3
I might forgo this in the future if I'm not really feeling it :pp
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It doesn't hold much weight for me. You can call me whatever.>>986902
I wonder if anyone still wears Tripp brand stuff. I haven't worn any since I found UFO, myself.>>986964>And now I see why hot wax is an option, cause it took me a freaking hour!
Absolutely why I've only done that once. It was nice, but I'm not hiking back up the hill again, as it were.
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What if I refer to you as Mondo the Great?>>986970
I forgo it all winter
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Yes, that is the appropriate gender.
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>>986976>Hugs and kajis <3
I think I will probably do the same, or give electric razors or wax a shot ;pp>>986979
I forgone it for 28 years ;DD
I still tend to forgo it.
Being clean shaven all over feels real nice but it takes a lot of work, and all the hairs growing back feels worse to me than just letting it all stay grown out
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Hey Andrea!>Hugs and kajis<3
Glad to know that I'm not the only one who didn't care for it
I still dig the skirt and knee highs tho!
How are you?
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Well, the shaving part isn't too difficult for me, though I have cut my ankles before just cause that whole shape is weird and hard to navigate a razor through and around.
Naw, for me the biggest, most dysphoria inducing thing is the stubble feeling, especially on my chest and stomach. And with shaving that stubble comes in within 24 hours.
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I'm sorry that it does that to you, but you are still all woman regardless <3
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>>987006>hugs and kajis <3
yes they are!
how are yoooooou?
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I dislike my body hair. Love it when I'm shaved but it takes so long and doesn't last very long that I don't do it often even if I love the effect.
Would love to get waxed but pricey. Had backdone before and it was pretty painful. But I wonder if that would be the most painful part of the body for me...
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hey V!>hugs and kajis <3
oof! that sounds like it would hurt a LOT!
how are you?
I'm okay. WOrked all day for a change.
Got up early, edited podcast, edited and uploaded four gameplay videos and then edited half of the narration bits of my newst video, It's still gonna be a few days later than I wanted it, but oh well.
And I just finished an art stream, so basically, I have kept busy all day aside from stopping for food.
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>>986969>plus they keep rolling down on me ;pp
I know the feeling. I got sock garters and it helps.
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Hm. Well actually most of it wasn't... That bad. Until it got to the shoulders for some reason. Like right above the shoulder blade, that like was very bad. Though honestly I loved the results.
Um. Just got out of work and stopped at the brewery to catch a new beer they made, is pretty good. Contemplating doing a couple things I'm unnecessarily nervous about but we'll see. How're you doing!
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way to go dude! sounds like you have had a really good day of work done! podcast, video work, and an art stream? that's sweet dude!>>987013
so THATS what those things are for! i've only ever seen them in the context of naughty imagery :PP>>987015
suffer the pain, rejoice in the pleasure i suppose! i'll keep that in mind if i ever try it :PP
nice! what kind of beer was it that you got?
i'm good! like i said earlier, i shaved my legs so that was a thing! other than that, just getting ready for a class ^^
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thank you fungi! i probably won't do it again unless i REALLY want to, but i can safely say i did it :))>hugs and kajis <3
how are yooooou?
Mmmhm, especially after a few days of not getting stuff done as planned.
Though, yesterday, that was due to oversleeping and waking up with a headache, and I ended up sort of "getting something done while not getting anything done" by hooking up my Elgato and recording some footage for a future game review I have planned.
What you been up to as of late?
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It'll tingle for a few days too lol. Not like bad but it's a strange feeling!
Um. I never heard of it but it's called a SMaSH beer. Aka Single Malt and Single Hop. The let me try a bit of the two they had and I went with the little hoppier of the two.
Is it late for classes or are you in a much different time zone? Gonna wear another skirt?
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I gotta head out! have a wonderful day y'all!>>987021
it balances it out i suppose, but i'm still happy for you regardless ^^
oof i'm sorry bout the headache, but setting stuff up is part of getting it done, so that's cool!i don't know what Elgato is, is it a recording software of some sort?
watching my neighbors dog while wearing womens clothing! tis been an interesting experience! outside of that, i got a temporary tai chi student who is a literal lumberjack! he's a cool dude with a big beard!>hugs and kajis <3
cya later esh <3>>987023
as long as it isn't debilitating, then it's all good! medical advice from noelle oh yeah!
ooh that sounds pretty good! WaNnA SmAsH? i'm not the biggest fan of hoppy bears, but i still enjoy them once in a while!
i'm in college, and the one class i have tonight is a 4:45 to 7:20 class. it's an alright class, but i'd rather be home animating :PP>hugs and kajis <3
tohru is best girl
have a wonderful day <3
Elgato is a capture part. Basically a halfway device between connecting your console to your computer so it can send the video and audio signal to both, allowing you to record.
Hahahh, nice on all accounts. I wanna see the doggo. I have an alarmingly low amount of doggos in my life.
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Hahah, yeah shaving was a bit of a pain. I'm really liking the results so far though, so I might keep it up.
My day was good! I went out with my sister and bought some stuff. Got a lovely scarf and some scrunchies. >>987026
Have a good day, Star!
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I’m sorry for what I posted earlier, I honestly didn’t mean to offend anyone or cause any drama. For whatever reason I’ve been extremely stressed out and quite depressed over the past few days, but that doesn’t give me a excuse to freak out on ponyville, especially in a designated “safe space.”
I’ve been talking with Brazie about what I said in your thread, and while she understands where I’m coming from, she pointed out that the way I worded things came off as extremely condescending and confrontational. She’s been trying to help to calm down recently and I think we’ve finally found something that worked.
Anyway as I said I apologise for not thinking about what I was typing, and not explaining myself properly. None of what I just wrote is an argument, I’m just explaining myself and I want to be completely honest with you, but if you don’t want me in your thread I’ll leave, and I’ll stay out of any other LGBT thread you make. But, I’m promising you that with the help of Brazie I won’t fuck this up again. If you let me back in, I won’t argue, no matter how much I want to or how reasonable I think my positions are, I’ll try my best to not cause drama, and you can thank Brazie for that.
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Thats a really good apology. I'm glad Brazie is helping you out.
Feel free to continue posting at your leisure.
Pretty much as long as you dont make the same mistakes over and over I'm pretty forgiving. Making different mistakes is fine, its how you learn, and making it so everyone who makes a mistake is gone for good makes it less likely you will learn or even change your opinion.
I understand its hard not to be argumentative over differences of opinion, I struggle with it too, but keep trying to ignore it when someone says something you dont agree with.
"youre on thin fucking ice" at cetera et cetera
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I'll hold off on the /site/ thread about it then. I'll just catalog it for later.
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Wow, those are so cute!
I really like the color compliments you guys picked.
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I've never heard of that channel before, but that's really cool!
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Hugo and Jake were basically a minor part of the whole "new atheist" crowd about 10 years ago, but are perhaps distinguished by the fact that they didn't get caught up in the whole anti-feminist anti-sjw kick so many others went after
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>>987044>Pretty much as long as you dont make the same mistakes over and over I'm pretty forgiving.
I have done in the past, and you only have to ask anyone on ponychan to know that I’ve promised to cut it out and failed a million times, but with Brazie’s help I have absolutely no doubt that this time will be different. I didn’t have her in the past, but I do now.>>987045
I was quoting you. I don’t think you explicitly said “safe space,” but you said something to that affect quite a few times in the OP and this thread in general. It wasn’t meant to be condescending, so I’m sorry if it came across like that.
>>987072>I was quoting you. I don’t think you explicitly said “safe space,”
I'm confused. It isn't a quote unless it's the user's exact words. Otherwise, it's a paraphrase, not a quote.
And Val did in fact use the phrase "safe space" in the OP.
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I'm so damn impressed with you
This is really awesome
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ahhh okay! that makes sense, especially for what you do :))
i'll make sure to take a picture next time i get a chance :33>>987031
nice! if you want to keep it up, then i fully support you! i do like the outcome myself, just not the process, but if that's not a deterrent then by all means ^^
aww that is such a cute scarf and i love the scrunchies! great finds <3>>987044>hugs and kisses <3
you are wonderful and i love you <3
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who do we appreciate
Awe come now Val
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Oh I know, I just didn't expect us to be cheering Moms
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Hey I gave you love yesterday!
My heart is a zero sum game.
V is for Vi-go-rous
A is for Ad-apt-able
L is for Laud-able
What does that spell?
Idk, cheers are hard, lol
Many moms are pretty good overall though.>>987194
E is for Eeeeh, I can do without
S is for Seriously, who that dude
H is or Hell with this I'm done
Eh, not that hard
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*judge voice* I'll allow it
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Britbongs please go, we speak American here.
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But Rose is European.
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Start your own cheer squad if you want mum callouts, buster
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I just want to know why you say “mom.”
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I'm american, lol
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Aren’t you Danish?
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Why did you move to Denmark?
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There were job opportunities here for my parents when I was a kid.
Thanks! I agree, this is
I know, right? They had, like, a whole wall full of 'em. So many to choose from! >>987182
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I have a cockatiel sleeping on my chest this morning
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I got my bird to respond to this
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It's good to see Mint getting along and getting proper emotional support without harming anyone
I'm proud of everyone here
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I just found out Nowacking turned trans recently.
I only know Jesse Nowack as the unofficial voice for DJ pon3. He seems very happy after a full transition. I can't recall any other famous woman turning trans. Usually its the other way around.
It must be hard to have alot of fame and go through something like that. If I ever bumped into Jesse, I always wanted to ask for a DJ Pon3 "BASS CANNON" quote. I can't do that anymore it seems. Thoughts?
But even reducing it to this is a bit sad and I think weird
pepp is right, what matters is that he's happy.
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Demisexual reporting in. Is it concerning if I'm in love with myself sometimes?
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As long as it doesn't interfere with your life in a detrimental way, I don't see it as a problem
Alot of us should work to love ourselves <3>Respectfully admires at distance <3
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no that sounds excellent!
vvv nsfw content vvv
No need to answer this but super curious
Have you ever masturbated to yourself?
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>>987690>hugs and kajis <3
have a wonderful day rose <3
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Already had the most fantastic day
dropping a thread later to journal it, actually. It's gonna be a fun read.
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i took a look and was truly in awe of your drug fueled creativity :DD
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Kajis are love
kajis are life <3
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>>988026>hugs and kajis <3
it is addicting <3
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I'm exhausted. Sexuality is exhausting.
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When done properly.
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>>988783>hugs and kajis <3
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Good morning y'all
I love you
Ghost played this during his broadcast the other day. Actually not bad. Best part is when it goes ooouuu-oooou-ooou-ou-ou-oooouuu.
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Ah, that's completely different.
I'm kinda digging Soft Cell, though.
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That is all.
I just like music that goes oooou-ou-ooooou-oooou.
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We were watching a movie and having a pizza with a friend the other day, and her little girl was so freakin cute. Like almost three years old I think, baby blue eyes and blond hair, and just preciously funny.
She stuck her hand in the red sauce for the bread sticks, and she got like, the funniest little "what the hell is
this?!" look on her face, and just held her hand up for like five minutes straight. It was adorable.
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Would you ever want to adopt or ask someone to be a surrogate mother for you, one day?I hope I didn't say something wrong...
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i would only do that if i'm absolutely certain if i want a kid
right now i have no financial stability to ever imagine that for myself ://>hugs and kajis <3
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Yea, it's not a choice to be taken lightly for sure.
I need to go to bed soon. Goodnight guys.>>989202
I'm sorry if I was careless with bringing that up, I got a bit carried away.
Naw, don't worry about it. I kinda sort of brought the topic up myself with these pictures.
Also ... don't worry about having said something wrong, I'm just predisposed to be... sensitive... about this particular topic right now.
That's also my fault cause I got really stoned last night and woke up still pretty buzzed, and like, I feel like my dysphoria comes back stronger in the hours right after a buzz is over and it's kinda driving my thoughts towards certain things...
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Alright. Goodnight Andrea
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Good Morning y'all
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How're you doing today?
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I'm going to the clothing store tomorrow and picking up something a bit femme for my wardrobe.
Or I'll buy a nice necklace to wear over t-shirts.
What do you guys think?>>989428
I hope you have a great day
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Having fun with my bird, my coffee, my music and my light high right now.
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oh I just found it on a search for furry girls smoking weed, I think there were only two pics of that character
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I know, I think it's kinda hilarious.
Kinda fits me though, when I am high
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Thanks for the pregnancy images.
They make me feel a bit better today.
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I have some other good ones that might be a bit NSFW
Could share over discord if you are interested
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I did see you were upset earlier
Sorry I didn't react then, I had to go.
Hope things are better.
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I would like that.
It is kind of the big thing that brings me up and down.
Really want to be a mama.
Not sure if I have you on discord but if not it is Lamb#7031>>989464
I'm more stable now anyway.
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That's something at least.
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It is better than being a sobbing ball of hate and rage.
That's no fun for anybody
Also Lamb deserves happy
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Think of it this way.
The sobbing kept me from being full mad.
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Dont make me snug harder
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That is extra dangerous now cause I don't have anyone that will pull me off.
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Alright, so I think i would love to try on a traditional kind of school uniform with the sweater vest, shirt, and plaid skirt
i also would love to try on the off the shoulder sweaters, they look so cute <3
and i found a picture which kinda made me think, "i would love to look like that"
that is my update
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Sounds super comf
Sweater vests are sooooo cool
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Very nice, hope you enjoy it!
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you win Im out of SFW
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Sometimes a nerf turns into a buff.
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eh, I tried
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Don't they? it looks so super comf and super cute! <3>hugs and kajis <3>>990133
i'll keep it in mind! next paycheck will look into them! I would LOVE a pleated plaid skirt <3>hugs and kajis <3>>990136
thank you val <3>hugs and kisses <3
but i haven't got them yet, just knocking the idea around in the noodle!
what would you like to wear?
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Look at this cute sheep centaur.
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Look at my thread >>990703
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The deed is done. I do love that experiment.
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so i went to goodwill today, and i picked up a few items, including two tank tops and a delightful fuzzy pink sweater
i'm wearing the sweater and i feel very nice <3
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Not a fan of sweaters, too hot.
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i rely on sweaters pretty heavily when the temp drops
and it's nice to have a fun pink one ^^>hugs and kajis <3
Got high, gonna post songs that can be interpreted as being about being transgender, if you think about it.
Here's one that always kind of hits me in the gut cause it kind of feels like he's describing dysphoria related disassociation. Or that feeling you get when you're trans and looking at real old photos of yourself
Just the title alone
"My Body is a Cage"
It's a dysphoria song
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Doin chores today and tryin to be lazy. How're things?
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Having coffee and watching some news on TV.
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in a way, yes, but in other ways no. Eh, such is news when it comes to politics
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>>991303>Trying on girl clothes and feeling like thrash
I'm sorry, you guys
that sounds really hard
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At least you guys get to actually try on girls clothes.
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What's stopping you.
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My mum would likely have a heart attack if she saw a pair of panties and trans striped stockings in my wardrobe.
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Hide them better then.
You'll get there one day!
I’d still be too paranoid that someone would find out.>>991400>video related
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What would you wear if you could?
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Basically this with tight black panties.
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Ha ha, I already have two so I’ll be fine.
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I’m not trans, I’m just a wired pervert that likes to dress up in women's clothes. And yes, I really like the colour scheme.
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Nice ^_^ I'm certainly not one to question long colorful pastel socks!
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Probably sandals and baggy shorts, but I don't think that's really up to dress code.
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can yall get off the circlejerk hype and just like accept me cuz im like one of the gayest who posts on this site
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I accept you, butt
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Are you also a candidate for "trans woman version of 'The Dude' from 'The Big Lebowski'"?
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>>991618>im like one of the gayest who posts on this site
Don’t make me fight you.
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You're such a butt <3. >>991675
I think he wins by virtue of being from London, I think<
Also because he's not a fash.
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it's been like over a week or so since i really started testing my egg-ness so to speak and to see how i feel.
it felt pretty good to talk about myself and to think of myself as a woman. and when people use those pronouns with me, it was rather nice. and i even did some things like wear womens clothing and some meditative practices that seemed very eye opening.
however, i've also noticed that i'm not all there on one side, while some things were kind of natural feeling, others felt a little more forced. and checking in with myself, i still feel there was non-woman traits that still persisted.
so i feel like i'm more Genderfluid, or perhaps Bigender like i said i was thinking earlier. I love the female side of me and the expressions that i had, but i can't deny that i also am not totally there, and whether i call it my "man" side or just the non-woman side is still up for debate.
also, despite being open on here about it, i can't say i've done a lot over a long period of time to really feel comfortable assigning anything to myself until it's gone long enough to stop being a "phase"
but for the time being, i'll go with Genderfluid, i love being a woman, but i'm not always a woman. whether it is "man" or not i dunno. I have no problem with being called "he/him" irl, so perhaps it is just my man side.
either way, that is sort of my report at the time being
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I don’t see him drooling over the idea of cross-dressing in cute girls clothing.>Also because he's not a fash.>pic related
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>>991679>however, i've also noticed that i'm not all there on one side, while some things were kind of natural feeling, others felt a little more forced. and checking in with myself, i still feel there was non-woman traits that still persisted.
I would love to learn more, what do you mean? What things did you feel were forced?
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Well, cause like, that's not exclusively a gay thing now is it?
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i'll let you know tomorrow! but for now, i'm way too tired to function
so either here or on discord, but i'll let you know ^^>hugs and kajis <3
nighty night andrea!
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>>991691>not exclusively a gay thingNot exclusively
implies that it is still a gay thing, to some extent.>>991692
Well I mean, crossdressing, as a fetish
, is certainly not exclusive to gay boys or men. I mean most fetishes are not really exclusive to any sexual orientation so like one's fetishes don't necessarily imply such things.
But like, if you mean "gay" in the sense of all the stereotypes ... well, I think it might be a "gay" in some reactionary bubbles that have a tendency to think of transgender women as basically just gay men trying to trap straight dudes.
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Awesome update, I think I see a good deal of my own experience in there! I don't think I necessarily feel distinctly male or female at any point, but I certainly feel very strong associations with both at differenttimes and in different contexts.
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>>991695>I mean most fetishes are not really exclusive to any sexual orientation
Yes, but I don’t think you could deny that there’s some correlation between certain fetishes and sexual orientations.>But like, if you mean "gay" in the sense of all the stereotypes
No, in that sense Butt is probably more gay than me. I don’t fit into any of those stereotypes, and actually can’t stand people who do.
>>991697>No, in that sense Butt is probably more gay than me.
Well, there you go, he wins!>I don’t fit into any of those stereotypes, and actually can’t stand people who do.
Oh, more reason he wins
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Do you really think that straight (cis) men cross dress anywhere near as much as gay (cis) men?>>991700>Well, there you go, he wins!
Only in that sense,
I still win in general!
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if straight cis men crossdressed more than gay men. >Only in that sense, I still win in general!
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>>991703>Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if straight cis men crossdressed more than gay men.
That doesn’t make any sense to me. Why would straight men be into crossdressing?>lol no
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There's nobody as insecure about their sexuality as straight cis males.
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>>991704>>991717>That doesn’t make any sense to me. Why would straight men be into crossdressing?
Could just be a matter of feeling desirable. It can be hard to feel desirable as a straight man. Straight women are, on a macro level, not nearly as attracted to straight men as any homosexual person is attracted to a member of their own sex, or nearly as much as Smen are typically attracted to women, or at the very least they don't exhibit nearly as many signs of attraction, so i could see potentially doing it just so at least you could at least be attracted to yourself.
That being said, i don't cross dress, and i imagine it would be more of a thing with trans women, of course, and also more of a thing with gay men.>There's nobody as insecure about their sexuality as straight cis males.
Well of course. We're the only ones stuck on the bad side of a desire imbalance. You can only get so many lonely gay men or gay women together before the problem sorts itself out, but the fact that Smen are attracted to Swomen, but the opposite is not true, leaves us Smen in a bad spot. I mean, 99% of the sex industry is based on that principle, and you can see it in the way traditional courtship is structured. It sucks. But it's an invisible problem, because confidence is supposedly attractive to Swomen, and nobody wants to make bad odds even worse by showing weakness.
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>>991704>Why would straight men be into crossdressing?
Why not? Putting aside I'm not exactly straight, I don't put on makeup or wear big colorful socks because I want to attract men. I do it because I'm not purely masculine and I like feminine things, which can be the same for any straight man.
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That’s a big oof from me. I couldn’t imagine having to deal with cis women. Sounds like hell.>>991739
I just like it because I think it looks cute, but I honestly can’t think of too many straight men seeing it in that light.
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which is why it's important to destigmatize clothing choices and let people where what they want :))
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It's kind of cute, I'd say?
I'd be fine with dressing up for a qt dragonlady.
Though that might be more about the particular dynamics involved.
I don't see the link between people who like cute things and homosexuality. I think what is happening is that gay men have a culture of self expression which straight men don't. So it is easier to do something like don women's clothing, because that's kinda a normal thing you'd expect gay men to do. Then, the straight man might think it would be nice to try this self expressing thing, but then they imagine to themselves that most people would assume by crossdressing they are gay.
So, I see it purely as a cultural thing. But that doesn't accurately reflect the preferences of straight men. And there are plenty of straight men who might try it in private away from the assumptions people might make.
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I mean, probably in total number, given its the 'default' or otherwise most socially expected sexuality.
People are probably more likely to start from there and explore out, essentially, because of that.
But I don't think it's necessarily something inherent in the particular sexuality. Rather I think it's more about what's considered the "generic" lot.
I wouldn't say crossdressing implies insecurity. There's plenty of reasons to like something like that outside of such things. Incidentally, I also don't think it has to be tied to humiliation, as seems to be far too often the case in depictions. Or deception, for that matter.
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...This is a bit more true in a lot of ways than I'd like, I think.
I still think there's plenty of reason to like the stuff outside of it, though. But I do think there's something to say about the way the game's balanced, as it were.
Being desired, in general, is something I think most everyone desires. Would make sense it's a common aspect
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I can see where you’re coming from, hell I’m scared to wear them because of social stigma, and I have no doubt that straight men have more social and even internal pressure against wearing feminine clothes.
Although I don’t buy into the idea that gay men are just straight men who like boys, I think sexuality is far more influential to who someone is than that. While there certainly are social pressures, I do think that gay men are more predisposed to it.
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i think i would like to remind everyone about the rules of the thread
>Please keep all arguments and major discussions out of this thread. If you see something someone said that you would like to discuss in detail about, please make another thread. Any other major discussion points can make a thread on /townhall/.
Just wanna do right by Val yo
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No one is directly
arguing about sexuality.
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it says all
arguments. so that includes directly or indirectly too
i get it, it's an interesting topic, but you can continue it in another thread so that everything is hunky dori between you and val
Thanks for the reminder.>>991768
Let's just play it safe ^_^
Think we got a few ideas across already.
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it's all good, rabit holes and whatnot ^^
how are you thorax?>hugs and kajis <3
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I'm not sure what the fuck 90% of what happened in the past like day was about Ive just got a :/ face on looking at this thread right now but I can't complain because I'm not paying attention
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>>991774>hugs and kisses <3
hey val <3
it's lovely seeing you!
how are you today?
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hey star >hugs and kisses <3
I'm fine, working in a couple minutes.
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I hope work goes well for you today val! you are a gem ^^
just a quick update from me before i completely forget, i'm still in egg phase, but right now i'm leaning on Genderfluid, possibly Bigender, but definitley genderfluid at the moment
and i also made a new video! it's 8 minutes long, so if you don't have time at the moment, i understand. but i would love to hear what you think ^^https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3YwDEK1TeU
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I'm alright. I have a technical interview this morning I'm getting ready for. I feel like I'm getting better at the makeup game lately, so I actually put on the basics like foundation, concealer, and mascara for today so I can look my best. I'm a little self conscious about it, I'm not great at discerning things visually, so I worry whether I look like a dude clumsily putting on makeup, or if it actually blends and looks good and natural. Hopefully it's the latter! I know all my girl friends clock me immediately for wearing makeup, but hopefully it's in a good way and not a bad way.
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oh nice! i hope your interview goes well!
and if you think you look good, then you look good my friend! i'd love to wear more makeup in my day, but makeup + kung fu doesn't mesh well. my friend said she was jealous because i have great lips for lipstick tho!
do your girlfriends say nice things about your makeup?
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Why wouldn't makeup and Kung fu go well together? Most makeup comes on waterproof formats.
They just notice and squee a little like "ooooo you're wearing mascara today!" or "oh I see you've got a rosey lip shade on!". Like, they are very positive and affirming, but I don't think even if I looked weird would they tell me I look bad. I think I'll ask my mom, she's blunt as fuck and while loving, won't hesitate to tell me my look is off or I'm applying it wrong or using the wrong shades for my skin.
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yeah, but that doesn't necessarily stop smearing either, and one hit to the face would make me look like i got hit by a splatling gun :PP
i think if your girlfriends are possitive and affirming, i think you are in the clear
your mom sounds caring and cool too :))
I dont know what egg stage meams but sounds great
I'll check it out when I can
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Hmm, I guess it depends on what you put on. If your mascara, eye liner, and eye shadow are smudged from a hit, I think you have bigger worries than a tiny bit of smudging! Makeup is more durable that your are imagining I bet, so to mess it up from a hit you'd probably be in pain town! But, it's your call ^_^
They're great and very supportive. One of them, unprompted started calling me Maxine randomly like it was just normal to use the feminine form of my name, which I really get a kick out of. I love being viewed as not just male.
My mom is loving and caring to a fault tbh. She's so scared I might be the victim of a hate crime and she passed that anxiety to me in such a way that it contributed to major social anxiety and a terror of expressing. The longest time I would only wear the plainest, most monotone clothing. I'm now finally getting over that and finding my expression, which is great. She tells me if I wanted to wear a dress or skirt or whatever, she'd love my no matter what, but maybe I should like totally not do that because omg scary liberal Bay Area, California is hate crime central or something, lol. Not to say it couldn't happen, but I still drive my car knowing the dangers.
But, maybe that informs you why I'm like the self expression fairy running around telling people to try things out and not let fears hold them back! I feel so much happier now than I did before.
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andrea introduced me to the term! apparently an egg is somebody who doesn't know if they are trans, and assumes that they are cis, but then gets a realization or sign that they may not be, so their egg is "cracked" and i got cracked a bit back
alrighty! have a lovely day val <3>hugs and kisses <3>>991796>probably in pain town
ain't no probably about it chief :PP
awww maxine! i love it!i always have known you as thorax, so i didn't know what your actual name is. would it be max then? i mean i'm happy to call you maxine too tho ^^
it is hard for parents sometimes, even ones as fully supportive as yours, just because it is scary for people like us out there at times. a handful of bigots and criminals can put fear into anyones hearts. i still wish i lived in a much more liberal area like california or up north in Denver or Boulder.
and i'm happy you were my fairy <3
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Don't get the maskera in your eye
And especially don't be a dip like me and just straight jab your eyeball with the brush.I don't wear makeup very often.
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Oh,oh! So over the past like...month or so, I have been so much more diversity in the type of people coming through my town, and it's been pretty awesome!
I don't know how Christmas is going to go this year [small town syndrome, not sure how the family is going to react to all this change], but it's been really nice to see people from differrent places and such differrent styles.
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that's wonderful news ella!>hugs and kajis <3
it's so heartwarming to hear stories like that, where a small town becomes blossoming with different cultures and expression! i'm happy for you! and i wish you a very advanced merry christmas ^^
and you are getting a lot of mileage out of that Mink gif and i love it <3
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Ha, I figured you knew who Maxwell was! I'm guessing you've never inspected the sticky closely in canterlot.
Call me whatever you feel fits. Thorax, Max, Maxine, something original you feel that fits; I'd rather people make the choice themselves.
I'm glad if I ever helped you with your own exploration into self expression :3>>991801
Pfft too late for that! Jabbed that wand right into my eyeball once. I'm getting better at applying though, it's a skill and takes practice.
ive seen the page>>991814
wheres the hammer bro
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I left it next to my coffee :p
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I dont trust like that
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I love that gif! It's the closest one I have found so far that actually matches my mood when I'm hyper.
>>991735>but the fact that Smen are attracted to Swomen, but the opposite is not true, leaves us Smen in a bad spot.
I think this comes off as parochial.
I mean like, those kind of problems effect LGBT people too, like all
Like, if you're gay, you sexuality doesn't necessarily care if that person of the same sex as you is also gay or not. . Nor does it have any bearing on whether or not you would be considered attractive to other gay people of your gender.
True, but there are designated apps and bars and meeting spots for gay people, gays and lesbians bars, apps like grinder, etc. So while yes, the situation of unrequited feeling towards a straight person must certainly come up, and must suck, you can at least have designated spots where you know that won't happen. Though of course the fact that the pool of gay men or gay women is going to be smaller than the pool of straight men or straight women certainly would be a hugr issue with it's own collection of pitfalls, but at least you know where you stand once you know someone is gay and can navigate to gay spaces to help your odds, but then, I've heard straight women cruze gay bars now, so I guess no common communication is safe from the destructive hand of straight women.
>>991765>>991765>Although I don’t buy into the idea that gay men are just straight men who like boys, I think sexuality is far more influential to who someone is than that
Where was that implied?
I mean, the discussion was really just
about whether or not crossdressing is a necessarily a primarily gay activity.
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then keep on Mink-ing on!>>991819>>991821>lurks and pounces
I can smell the G A Y
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So um...you guys doin anything fun for Halloween?
NO ONE HAS ANY FUN
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no, i dont really celebrate. day after halloween tho
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I am totally considering going in full girl mode and giving out candies to the kids in this apartment complex.
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Oh crap, that's right we live in a place with tons of trick or treaters now! I forgot about that.
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I'm pretty sure we're mostly clear as far as trick or treaters goes. Which is kind of unfortunate, in a sense. I wouldn't mind dressing up and handing out candy.
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lucky! our neighborhood doesn't do halloween at all, and it's so sad
but at least we get to keep all the candy :PP
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it's alright, and the fastest way to get back on track is to switch topics
ooh i know! what is a song that holds a very special meaning to you and why?
to kind of answer my own question, when i was a teenager i got super into power metal, especially after being introduced to Dragonforce. and while i did enjoy dragonforce quite a bit, I would say Kamelot's "March of Mephisto" was my first ever introduction to the concept of being able to blend musical stylings together to make seemingly impossible blends of music work
Roy Khan's voice set to the hard pounding metal and the vocalist from Dimmu Borgir really opened my eyes, and i had a HUUUUUUUUUGE metalhead bend from there.
I can't say i've been as big of a metalhead as i was back then, but i still enjoy it and when people introduce me to new bands, i get excited
so yeah! that's a good one for me ^^
A lot of songs. I think they hold meaning mostly because they resonated with me when trying to sort out my feelings or very emotional. There's a ton of em. Let's see, i'll try to find one i haven't posted.
This one resonates with me. It feels like how i feel when I've been alone in front of my computer for a long time, when i start getting lost in my own thoughts and a bit isolated. It leads to good and bad things, but this song captured the ethos of that feeling for me really well. Of starting to sink into the deep ocean of your own thoughts.>break me down>(i'm not afraid of you)>pull me under>slowly drown>(i never wanted to)>left alone to wonder
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god i love Blink-182 <3
and i like what you said there, being left alone and isolated, leading to both good and bad things. typically being "left alone and isolated" is negatively connotated, but you have expressed there is a good side to it, a quality of self exploration and letting the mind idly wander. i really dig that interpretation
and it's a good song nonetheless ^^
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Aw fook, I love that song.
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really? i'm so happy to hear that <3>hugs and kajis <3
i discovered and loved kamelot seemingly all by myself in highschool, and while i've talked to people that have heard of them, i was always the odd one out
i got to see them in concert and get an autographed pic too, before roy khan left the band
I forget how I even found them originally, probably through YouTube links or something. They had a lot of good stuff, though. This one's another favorite.
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mmm oh god yes! i love Ghost Opera! i have that album in my desk actually!
I actually got into them just as this album was released, so i listened to this one a LOT!
TO CURTAIN CALL
AT THE OPERA
RAGING VOICES IN MY MIND
RISE ABOVE THE ORCHESTRA
LIKE A CRESCENDO OF GRATITUDE!
THIS IS MY SOOOONG!
god i love Blink-182 <3
Hell yea! California is great too! (Their newest album). Seems my interpretation might not be too off based on this song, which is much more blatantly about your mind racing leading to insomnia. I've definitely goddamn been there. Might be something of a theme to the album, ones relationship with their own mind and isolation i mean. I should actually listen to it all the way in song order, might reveal something neat!
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so much of our understanding of ourselves comes from society defining us, so when we take away that societal judgement and are left to our own selves, its as though our mind is now set adrift and feels almost seperate in its own right from what we used to be
and it would be so cool if the album played in order had like a specific meaning or influence <3
>>991978>so much of our understanding of ourselves comes from society defining us, so when we take away that societal judgement and are left to our own selves, its as though our mind is now set adrift and feels almost seperate in its own right from what we used to be
Oh yea. I have an almost reverent love for that kind of spiritual purity. To me, social standards are the absolute worst of spiritual, emotional, and intellectual contaminants. I think who people are deep down can get buried by what they think they're suppose to do so much that they forget who they really are or what they really want or who they really want to be, not even externally, i think a lot of people internalize it a lot. I think that's really sad. I don't think you can ever truly be happy not living for what you truly love and believe, at least on some level. I think people should live life on their own terms, and i think people doing that is truly beautiful and inspiring.
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hmm i dunno. I've felt more spiritually connected to myself in a room of people dancing simultaneously than i have by myself on a good number of occassions. i tend to feel that the different experiences and circumstances in our lives awaken different reflections on ourselves. that isn't to say that i disagree with you, because there is a lot to be said about disconnecting from the routine and tedium of life to find out what is truly inside you and to actualize on that true self
it reminds me of the heroes journey in a way, most people remember the call to action, the trials, the lowest point, the rising to and overcoming the odds, and that is all part of the journey of the individual to become the hero. however the final part is to come back home, to the normal world, as this new hero, so that you can guide the next generation.
understanding that agentic element is what seperates just slogging through routine from living your best life, whether it is by yourself isolated, or in a sea of people surrounded
anywho, i need to get to sleep, i got to get up early tomorrow morning, and there is supposed to be snow tomorrow, so i may need to brush my car off :PP>hugs and kajis <3
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Goodnight star! I should be headed to bed myself. It's a late-start, but i I've still got a day as a working phlebotomist ahead of me~
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I went through and deleted some of the arguing and other posts to try and clean the thread up. It's a little after the fact, but I felt it was important towards trying to preserve something here that is kinda nice.
I know it's easy to get dragged into something or accidentally start something, but try to keep in mind that this is not the place for it so that we can keep having this nice thing.
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>I fell asleep at 4pm yesterday, and woke up at 10pm
>I have already slept for 6 hours
>sleep will not come for me
>the night is long, and restless
>I cannot move, for fear that I may wake the house, and yet I cannot sleep
I am staring at eternity
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there was no need to do that, pretty sure no one was planning on rereading the thread... but thank you, still, its symbolic of your care for my mission with the thread and I appreciate it.
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It's snowing! And it's like 20 degrees!
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you're jello is gonna be a popsicle soon!>hugs and kajis <3
Nah, I'm not cool enough
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doin good! just killing time before i have to leave for my next class!
how are you?
ooh also did you see my inktober from yesterday?https://twitter.com/Screaminguy1/status/1182110827001761792
I made and scheduled four new spooky Lets Play episodes and my Rottytops Let's Play and edited a podcast episode. Just had dinner and am now watching Jennifer's Body - doing that whole "a horror movie for ever day in October" thing and just sorta going through my Netflix list or DVDs on my shelves.
Pfffft, that's awesome
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aww that's so cool! i should watch some when i get back home :)) i do love Rottytops quite a bit!
a horror movie every day? can your heart take such constant horror? although it's good to finally get to all those movies ^^
thank you! i had more time than usual so i got to make a full little comic :)) i have an idea of what i want to do for tonights prompt, but i need to figure out how to do it properly :PP
She coo'. The speedpaint doesn't go up till tomorrow though.
I mean, not all of them are... what you say... actually good. But I've seen some fairly neat stuff so far. Aaaaand some trash.
Well good luck keeping up with it. Never really dared dive into Inktober. I can barely get my own shit done.
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ahh okay, i'll check it out tomorrow then! i have that day off :))
bad horror movies are almost as good ones for all the wrong reasons ^^ i mean i guess it can be plain boring which is just bad in an unfun way, but if it's enjoyably bad, then it's good!
thank you! it's been a ton of fun! i usually do them in the last hour of the day in a rush of panic :PP
Yeah, I STARTED OUT with two of those. That was... something. On the other hand, I can recommend In THe Tall Grass on Netflix, and finally got around to watching The Incredible Shrinking Man, so I got a bit of classic 50'ies scifi in there too.
Imma just stick with drawing cute monstergirls like an old pervert I think
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oof! glad you made it past day 2 then! ooh what's the tall grass about? i've heard of the Incredible Shrinking Man! i haven't seen it, but i always imagine freddy mercury singing the title
modern society is supported on the backs of cute monster girls!
Yeah well, I knew they likely weren't gonna be good, but I sure didn't think they were gonna be boring.
First was Amityville 4, which SHOULD have been funny since it's all about trying to make a goddamn floor lamp scary, but it failed. Second was Whispers, a TV movie based on a Dean Koontz book that has some super gross story to it, but uh... plays like a TV soap that takes itself extremely seriously with next to nothing actually happening. So that was a dud.
In the Tall Grass is one of those dceptively simple ones. It's based on a Stephen King short and directed by the guy who did Cube, if you ever saw that one. Basically - a brother is driving his pregnant sister across state. When they stop for a moment near a tall grass field, they hear a kid call for help. So they go in to get him... and realize they can't get out. And then things start getting weird.
Incredible Shrinking Man is pretty fantastic. It's an effects marvel for the time, and stll looks pretty damn good, and again, it's perfectly simple - it's literally just a man who keeps getting smaller, dealing first with the social stuff that comes with that and then with mundane things that suddenly get very, very dangerous...
Other than that, I've watched The Final Girl, Tiny Toons Night Ghoulery, The 'Burbs, A Haunted House, Scooby Doo and the Ghoul School and right now, like I said, I'm watching Jennifer's Body.
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sounds like you have a full plate of spooks and scares! The Tall Grass one does sound fun, and i loved Tiny Toons, The Burbs, Haunted House, and Ghoul School!>hugs and kajis <3
but unfortunately, i gotta jet! have a lovely time Esh!
Yeah I ain't exactly running out.
Have a fun class.
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More snow AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
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It just keeps coming!!!
I watched In the Tall Grass the other day and I loved it. Delightfully unsettling atmosphere in that movie. I didn't know it was directed by the same guy that did Cube but that doesn't surprise me.>>992089>>992135>>992145
And it won't stop coming?
Hit the ground running?>>992147
I mean, in a lot of ways, it IS Cube, but set in a field of grass rather than a nightmare machien. But yes, quite good stuff.
Yeah, you're right. A lot of similarities, for sure.
I was impressed with how quickly the movie managed to make a field of grass terrifying. I also loved the small touches, like the varied ages of the cars parked outside the church, and the grass-patterned church windows that bathed everything inside green. I really got the impression that this story is something that has repeated, and will continue to repeat, itself over and over with countless different people throughout time. Absolutely fantastic
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Had to get this picture of the snow and the leaves, cause it is so pretty <3
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>tfw you wake up in the middle of the night and feel dysphoric about your physical size.
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Why is this bothering me right now, of all times?
Why am I feeling so weird about my size right now?
Why am I feeling fixated on the fact that I generally wear plus-size men's clothing, which is generally larger than women's plus sizes.