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at what point do you think it's personally acceptable to start killing spiders that have invaded your living space?
after dizzy recently deepcleaned our room, spiders didn't get the hint that they were unwanted, and more came in here anyway
at first my sisters dealt with them via kindness and throwing them outside or scooting them with a broom, but i think they're being dangerously optimistic
we have brown recluses here, and shit, so i started fucking sucking them into the vacuum hose because i don't have the time or emotional energy to worry about whether the spider staring me in the face while i try to sleep is going to induce spontaneous necrosis by biting my dick
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As far as I've seen there's no spiders that pose a danger to me here, so I usually let them be. I'd rather the spider than a fly.
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you can safely eat flies to get some protein, though
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That depends, are the spiders a serious detriment to you and/or your property? And would removing them safely be practical? I’d personally say that if you can’t safely and easily remove them peacefully (E.G. there are too many and/or they are dangerous) that you have moral permission to kill them.
Also, side question, are you vegan? If not why do you have problem with killing insects that have virtually no sentient, but you’re fine with killing mammals that are about as sentient as a dog? (Not looking to get into a big debate about it, just pointing out your possible hypocrisy.)
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i don't think killing insects or animals is acceptable, i just do it because i'm a piece of shit who resorts to violence to maintain levels of luxury and comfort i'm accustomed to
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The spider can have it.
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Fair enough. But why make a thread about wether or not it’s ok to kill a messily spider if you don’t care?
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because i do care
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When they become a bother?
I have one living on my windowsill. I couldn't really care but it's web is starting to look gross. So unless I can convince it to tidy up it'll have to go.
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Your last post doesn’t imply that.>>979151
I had a really big one crawling along my wall yesterday. I thought it was pretty cool. As long as they aren’t crawling over me I don’t have a problem with them.
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that's because you made an assumption
i said what i meant to say
i'm a piece of shit that commits violent acts because they allow me to maintain a level of comfort
i didn't say i was okay with being a piece of shit or that i thought the violence was acceptable, just that it's what i did
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I don’t think that necessarily makes you a bad person. I mean as you said, you care. You’re just a really lazy person I guess.
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so i'm not a bad person as long as i care, even if i keep doing the bad thing? well that's really convenient and means i can never be a bad person under any circumstance
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I’m trying to give you a get out of jail free card, please don’t poke holes in my logic.
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i didn't ask for mercy
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Too bad, because I’m giving you it.
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i wanted some serious outrage, or something
you seemed like someone of immense conviction and moral fortitude, but you won't even yell at me for my obvious negligence and laziness resulting in the loss of innocent life?
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>>979162>you seemed like someone of immense conviction and moral fortitude, but you won't even yell at me for my obvious negligence and laziness resulting in the loss of innocent life?
Do you know who I am? I’m on a very, very short leash at the moment, so the last thing I want is to cause more drama and controversy. I’d love to get into a several hour long heated discussion about it, but that’s why I was put on this leash in the first place. Sucks man.
I don’t know, stop being such a degenerate!
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but i'm asking you to get mad at me
person to person, you can tell me what i'm doing is morally reprehensible and offensive
i want someone to tell me i'm doing wrong and get pissed, otherwise i won't change
you have full permission to turn my thread into a rambling about the value of all life and how killing any creature is morally disgusting
i am all for moral outrage
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Name the trait absent in animals which if absent in humans would cause us to deem certain other humans without said trait as valueless, or at the very least not worth any moral consideration beyond simple taste pleasure and/or convenience.
E.G. “Humans are more intelligent than animals, therefore it is ok to kill animals because their lack of intelligence gives them significantly lesser moral value in compassion to humans.” In which case I’d ask, “if a human was say as stupid as a pig or cow would it be justifiable to kill said human for food?”
Context for this argument, https://philosophicalvegan.com/wiki/index.php/NameTheTrait
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i agree with you and have already conducted this thought experiment
for real, i'm 100% on board with this line of reasoning, this is baby's first philosophical self-reflection stuff
i know it's wrong to kill animals and eat them for pleasure, even animals that aren't sapient
what i need is for you to tell me to stop and get mad
you want there to be less animal murder, right? tell me that my negligence makes you morally outraged, and that i'm not worth any more than the creatures i harm and kill
give me the fire i need to change
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Serious question, are you a masochist?
Regardless, you are a filthy degenerate who’s no better, no in fact worse than the innocent animals he eats on a regular basis. And you do it all despite the fact that you know what’s right, because your a lazy pice of shit.>spanks you
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no, i'm not a masochist
sometimes people are motivated by external sources, and you're the only person who's going to berate me for this
also i'm a female, but i appreciate the other things you said
that's the kind of righteous anger that will make me a better person
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If you’re serious about this you should do more research. Virtually no one goes vegan just because some random guy on the Internet was an asshole to them. I could suggest a few channels if you’re interested.>also i'm a female, but i appreciate the other things you said
Ha ha, sorry. That was just a joke.
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of course i was being serious
did you think i wasn't?
and you're wrong, you don't understand how i work
i've done plenty of research and i get how to be better, but i lacked the motivation
you are the only person i trusted to have the moral foundation to get angry at me over it for the right reasons, so, i needed your help
and assuming you were actually mad, i got the help i wanted
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Consistently watching videos about it, especially things like debates that can get quite heated and judgemental will probably help you with that. But regardless I’m more than happy to talk to you about it, or judge you for it whenever.
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do you have a discord?
as long as your anger was genuine, that's what matters
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Yeah, Mint horse#9976
I’d be happy to add you.>as long as your anger was genuine, that's what matters
Getting angry with people and judging then is kind of the reason that I’m in hot shit right now, but if that’s what you want I don’t see why anyone else would protest.
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thanks fam, request sent
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Cool, I just got it, as you’ve obviously see .
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>at what point do you think it's personally acceptable to start killing spiders that have invaded your living space?
It is moral to kill spiders that exist. The highest and most noble morality would not only include killing not just those within your space, but undertaking a grand crusade to rid all spaces of this menace.
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>>979170>Name the trait absent in animals which if absent in humans would cause us to deem certain other humans without said trait as valueless, or at the very least not worth any moral consideration beyond simple taste pleasure and/or convenience.
There is no specific trait that separates humans and other animals.
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I haven't deliberately killed an insect in a really long time. I don't think I've been faced with any insects that could seriously harm me though. Still, if I had a black widow in my apartment, I couldn't imagine hurting it. It is just living its life and I couldn't justify killing it.
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I keep a truce with the cellar spiders in my house as they are said to keep the larger spiders at bay.
Outside the house, I am letting the cross spiders do their thing, although we had a tiff a bit over the last week, when a spider decided it's a great idea to weave it's web all accross the pathway. I cut the web once and it rebuilt its web the very next morning. I cut it again and nudged the spider around until it was off the wall and on the terrace around the corner. Likely the same spider snuck on the inside of the fly screen and I had to chase it outside again. then it stuck on the outside of the bugscreen again and later it was gone.
I do know a family of cross spiders inhabiting a web just outside my window, so when the moon is up, I could watch them sit there out of my window.
Now there's a cross spider rebuilding its web as well at the garden gate and I always destroy part of the web when I open the gate. t'll have to deal with that.
More annoying, some spiders crawl into the slots of the gate's lock mechanism. And that means thatI have seen the occasional spider zip out of there in a panic when they find I am opening the gate giving me a fright.
In the house there is aside from a load of cellar spiders, something that resembles a small cross spider on the in-side of the doorpost of the upstairs toilet. Like half a fingernail in size.
In my room I just caught a spider sitting where the wall and the ceiling meet. I'm not sure what kind it is. It doesn't look too big (maybe like the tip of my finger) looks dark brown/black and has a small round body and a pair of slender legs pointing forward now. (don't know how big it will seem when it stretches all its legs) I might deal with it and bring it outside should it descend onto the walls.
I've already put a couple of sizeable wolfspiders outside that were crossing the walls.
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Now, house spiders I don't like. they freak me out, fortunately I have not caught any of them inside the house yet.
I know they inhabited the shed this spring and I don't look forward having to go deeper inside the shed. (I had already dubbed the spider shed, but the big one in the door I already found dead a few weeks later)
In my home I make it a big challenge to capture them with a plastic bowl and try to get them outside.
I hate them in my house, because they scare me a lot. Though I manage dealing with them if I find them outside in plain sight.
I try my hardest now to catch them and put them out without killing them and can manage to do that perhaps with one or two on a night.
My old house had "giant" versions of them, I swear. Like, frightfully huge.
Last year I dealt with a few by emptying a plastic box of legos and trying to scoop them up. That I could manage.
At 3 or more, I might snap and grab the vacuum or something, though I'd regret taking that resort.
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I tend to let them do whatever they want.
They're cute, and I don't mind them.
But if you've got dangerous ones, it's probably best to get rid of them
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i only kill spiders when they are on my skin and i reflexively swat at them. I don't feel good about it though
otherwise, i do what i can to move them to a safer place inside the house, usually in the sunroom
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True story, a friend of mine actually got bit on the dick by a brown recluse.
He caught it in time, but he was freaking out thinking his girlfriend at the time might have given him an std. Both because he didn't want to think she would have cheated, but also just because...yea, he didn't know what the hell it was.
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spiders are friends. i think they are cute, but scary too.
i sometimes will move them into my room, so they can hide in a place where they will not be killed by others.
i hide spiders under my bed, as it is safest.
...the world is so unkind sometimes, it is hard. it is so sad for poor spiders.
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Spiders kill undesireable things and dont hurt anyone, with statistically diminumus exceptions.
They are like free slave armies. I love them stationed anywhere they like.
Stop killing spiders.
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>at what point do you think it's personally acceptable to start killing spiders that have invaded your living space
immediately becos they scary
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Well seeing as how most can drop you in one bite.
(AKA black widow)
along with spread diseases
I'd gladly slaughter them all with no regrets.
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I saw this little guy climbing on my walls a couple of days ago. I let him live, because house centipedes are generally harmless to humans and prey on undesirable bugs. If he stays alive, it's because he earns his keep.
Quads for house centipedes!
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Yeah, all creatures are harmless till they suddenly decide to "stand there ground".