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So something about this scene has always bugged me. Is the scene implying that the Lighthouse Keeper guy is being unreasonable in his reaction to Morty's criticism to his "tale"? It would seem so, but Morty actually did think the story was terrible and the criticism Morty gave was fake. Just Morty trying to be polite.

So, was the Lighthouse Keeper's reaction actually unreasonable? Or did he just see through Morty's dishonesty to his real feelings about it?


What makes you say the criticism was fake?


Morty thought the story was completely terrible. He admits so a few minutes later.


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>So something about this scene has always bugged me. Is the scene implying that the Lighthouse Keeper guy is being unreasonable in his reaction to Morty's criticism to his "tale"

yes, and he didn't want to really listen to it in the first place.


I thought so. But Morty really DID think it was terrible, so his reaction may not be unreasonable.


Not really ambiguous that the lighthouse keeper was unreasonable in my opinion. He asked for a frank opinion from Morty then got upset when he got what he asked for.


Maybe he could just tell that Morty actually hated it.


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that he did.
guy was just to sensitive.
which is sad cause he wanted criticism, but in the end he couldn't handle it.


But is what he did an overreaction to being told your story is terrible garbage?


So what if he did hate it? I don't see your argument. Someone not liking your work isn't reason to get angry at them or to go against your word. Particularly when you've asked for an honest opinion and said opinion was reasonably thought out.


It wasn't genuine criticism, though. It was just him pretending to be polite because he really thought it was trash.


His criticism seemed genuine to me and I dont think Morty hides the fact he didn't like it. even if he wasn't honest, that doesn't change my point.


Well he was hiding it because when pressed Morty screams "It was terrible!", which is NOT what he told the guy before. I'm just saying, Morty's true feelings (it was terrible) might warrant the reaction the Lighthouse Keeper gave. So maybe he could just see through the platitudes.


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morty didn't like it, but he did give a legit criticism to the scene he felt was an overplayed trope, then some unknown reason the guy got piss even though he wanted the criticism, which led to morty insulting him
because the writer suddenly try to go back on his deal.


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I think Morty's reaction at the end was both reasonable and justified.


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idk I'm not of fan of killing personally.


Killing was legal at that time and place.


You think it's reasonable to kill someone if you don't like their art?


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I know the purge etc, etc.

Still I prefer the tie up and gag method.


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Hey man, it's a Purge, not the Urge.


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......shut up.


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morty was trying to be polite, which is fair in a strangers home. but then the stranger wanted him to be honest about what he thought, so morty gave an honest answer.

the lighthouse guy then immediately was defensive and couldn't take the criticism. So that wasn't cool of him at all.

however it is his property, so he does reserve the right to make them leave the house, which while crappy is fair game.

Morty killing him however wasn't cool.

i get that it was a Purge ep. and that it was technically legal. But Morty wasn't in the wrong until the murder part, at least in my perspective


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I'll purge YOU!


Come at me scrublord


Well my question is whether or not the lighthouse guy "couldn't take criticism" or just saw through Morty's dishonesty.


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I think it's mostly just a dig at the stereotypical bad author and people who say that they want sincere criticism.


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well it was clear that lighthouse guy saw through his insincerity, hence why he pushed morty to be honest

but as soon as morty switched gears and gave criticism, the lighthouse guy immediately demanded morty should leave. and he shifted blame onto morty, while demanding his script was "good"

so it's both, but I still think morty was in the right, up until the murder part


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You're entering a world of pain...


I think it's a bit of both.

There were many breaches of normal polite conduct in this thing.

The lighthouse guy asks Morty to listen to his tale, but tale is a misrepresentation of what it actually was.

Morty sits down and agrees to listen to it, but when the script comes out he doesn't object or say, like, maybe that's a bit much?

When the guy is done, he asks for criticism, Morty doesn't want to give it, because he doesn't want to hurt the guy, and he never promised having to give criticism in the first place.

The guy insists that he criticize his works claiming that he can take it.

Mory gives criticism, but it's not sincere, he's nitpicking one aspect to avoid the elephant in the room, he hated it, it's not his kind of thing.

The guy feels this happening, he doesn't like the nitpick, and he doesn't like the dancing around the topic.

And so forth and so forth.

The writers room obviously did their best to construct the most frustrating situation possible, because that's just funny. Both parties are messing up hugely, and taking steps towards bad interaction, and both are probably doing it out of inexperience. Morty is a teenage kid, he's a secluded author. There's not enough awareness to make the interaction go smoothly.


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I like you.
You have a good perspective on both sides.

i feel the same way, about it being a joke about stereotypes of critics and writers.


Stop hitting on Wheat.


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what are you talking about?


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Stop flirting with Wheat.


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Why? Do you want him all for yourself?

If this is a competition I want to enter too.

Pick me, Wheat!


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silly boy,
agreeing isn't


It's not like that, he's just a friend.

It can be!


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you sure you're not just imagining things?


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You're just saying that to trick me into not doing my best.

I see what you're doing, but I'm going to win.


Stop posting sexy glaceons.


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admit i'm right then


zRight about what?


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on second thought.
nothing, nothing at all.


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What would happen if you licked a Glaceon?


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unless she trusted me I assume my tongue would die from frostbite.


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>I'm not of fan of killing personally.
You prefer killing impersonally?  :3


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wipe that smirk off your face.

you too fido.


I... don't get the confusion.

"I disliked this particular part and here's why" is not just being polite or dancing around his opinion, he's offering real and productive criticism based on how he felt about the story, putting effort into explaining it in a way to help the writer improve. Based on this alone, the lighthouse guy unreasonably tries to kick them out, before even knowing how much Morty disliked the screenplay. He then expresses surprise when he hears Morty really disliked it, showing he was trying to kick them out based solely on the one piece of criticism, not because he saw through Morty's politeness. "It was terrible" isn't the "real truth" or anything, it's Morty's own uncritical opinion when he isn't trying to explain how to do better. Morty even shows that his objection to the trope was quite serious when he yells at the guy after falling down the stairs.

I don't see any contradictions here, is all.


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I dunno, I thought his critique was him being honest, and the more extreme reaction later was a bit hyperbolic as a result of the hostile reaction of the lightkeeper.


Pretty much this. I feel the whole trope thing was just a starter aspect to Morty's particular issues on the story. I'm sure if the guy was more accepting of critique, Morty would've continued, though obviously didn't want to because it's rather impolite.


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You know he's going to pick me.



Considering them sending the rescue beacon is a life or death situation, kicking them out was actually not fair game.

It's similar to being a traveling water bottle salesman in the desert and not giving a bottle to a guy dying of thirst. It falls under the concept of good samaritan laws imo. You can't just let people die because you feel like being a dick.


Do you have a obligation to be a good person?


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I'm inclined to disagree. Neutrality isn't wrong. It's just not good, either


I was going to say that too, Morty obviously disliked more about the story than just that one thing, but didn't even get to expound before he was immediately told to leave.


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Or they needed a way to force drama in an already extended scene to pad the episode out so Morty had an excuse to kill someone with no likeability.


I don't think morty reqlly hated it all that much. I think he was just bitter about the fact that he was being put in such an awkward position. I mean his first response was pretty natural. You kiss the add of the person whose favor you need to get shelter. Then when pressed for criticism, north did his best at giving an honest criticism and lighthouse guy tried to kick him out, basically validating all of morty's worries and turning his previous statement about wanting north to not be gentle into a lie. Plus, in that episode morty's repressed rage is a running theme, so it really acts as much as a crechendo to morty's growing frustrations than as an isolated incident.


Morty doesn't have any repressed rage. He says so right in this clip!


Spoken like a man with repress rage.


what if being a good person end up making things even worse?


God that post is such a clusterfuck of wrong words. I hate you autocorrect on my phone!

north = morty
add = ass

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