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Door games, is this real?  Why do the men put up with it?  
Also, anyone know if the Vietnamese do this stuff?  I know my brother dodged a bullet if they do.


It's real and it's no worse than the groveling dating games men are put through in the american mainstream.

If anything it's a bit more straightforward and fun than milking us for expensive meals while interrogating us for lies they want to hear.

Fuck all that shit.  Its no wonder people give up and declare themselves incels instead of trying a more natural and spontaneous approach to meeting each other in context of shared interests.


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That or mail order brides.  Good chunk of the couples I saw in Seattle that weren't LGBT were WMAF.  Hell the most sucessful non Asian couples I knew were usually mixed race.  Big suprise, men are sick and tired of amoral garbage, I'm no different.  I proved myself in Seattle, would rather let a cute Asian banker have his way with me than let some degenerate single mom who feels entitled to a rich hottie near me.


Lots of those mail order bride offerings are scams and either dont have an actual girl for you or she dumps you after getting citizenship so be careful.

Why not just travel to where actual underprivileged asians/islanders are, and get your own to bring home?  Or stay there and dig in.  

Im sure you can do it yourself.


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Thats what may well happen, i go to Hawaii im staying there for a bit.  Also hey im part underprivileged islander, if anything im staying with my own kind.


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I wonder what it's like to have an arranged marriage to, like, a peer.


Ah, here it is


Still happens in Japan, i like it its more honest, both sides are up front about their expectations and what they're bringing to the table.  Then again, i dont believe in love marriage, for me its a financial agreement between two people.  Wasn't too long ago in the west that it was the same way.  What bothers me here is how people use enotions to manipulate eachother and once divorce happens not only do those feelings fly right out the window, no thought at all is given to the children.  People here lie about the latter all the time, the truth hurts.


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Why would no thought be given to the children?


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This makes me remember the last time I saw my grandpa.

He was near his deathbed, so my husband went with me for moral support. It was the first and only time my grandpa and his second wife got to meet him, but I asked before I left if my grandpa liked him, and both my grandpa and his wife said yes, they liked him.

I don't think I would have needed their approval, but I'm still very glad I got it.


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Here in burgerland parents regularly use their childrens as pawns in divorce court, make it difficult for the non custodial parent to see the kids and in many cases try to poison the child against the other one.  My father was super shitty to my half brothers and did try to turn me against them, this was the same piece of shit who damn near murdered my own mother then spent the remaining years of his life trying to ruin me, took his death from COPD to make it stop.  Seriously, you have no idea just what shitheads parents in general here are, ask Moony, he's a lawyer, also Tracer, like me he's an insurance guy.  Americans as a rule are shit people.


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Nice save then.

I'm not American.
I see my ex on a regular basis and try to see my kids as much as possible as well.


Not everyones like that, but I'm pretty sure you already know that.

Just get away from those people and find people who have some feeling in their chest.


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That whats my point, burgerland has problems.
Already have, damage is done.  You can only take so much before you just say fuck it all.


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>You can only take so much before you just say fuck it all.


Still, finding chill people after being around toxic ones for years does wonders for healing old wounds.


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Hence why the long term goal is a move, it's for the best.


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Where do you want to move to?


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He wants to go to Japan.


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Is Japan better?

I wouldn't mind visiting, but I feel like I wouldn't feel comfortable long term.


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>Is Japan better?
Grass is always greener.


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Hawaii first, have family there with land on the outer islands.
See above.
TBH, I wouldn't mind at all, moms from Maui and the asian in her is Japanese, grew up watching Japanese tv and eating asian food, also at one time was almost fluent in the language, give me a couple weeks in Japan and it would come back quick.  Comepared to the lawlessness in a lot of the USA and from what i've seen and heard a lot of Europe i'd take Japan any day.


True dat

Sometimes it is though.


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Yes and no, Japanese corporate culture is fucked up.  Thing is, it's become so damn toxic here in the USA at this point i'd say Japan is starting to look like the lesser of the two evils.  Thing is, I can understand the culture probably better than many of you, that and well, all the women I dated were asian, never dated a white girl before.  Would not mind a European, never had the chance.


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It sounds like it might be a good move for you then.


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Japan is not a place for Westerners.

That is all I'm going to say on the matter.


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Things here have not worked out, after my uncle passed I can say i'm done, the grandkids are entitled shitlords who were given everything, the granddaughter is the worst of all.  Big suprise the hispanics are replacing the white people middle class wise, family values.  
Your right, thing is in my case neither is the mainland USA.  Shit's getting scary here.  I've lived around Asians, esp Japanese long enough to know how it is, considering how my life is going, for me it's looking like the best option.  The first cousins I'm on good terms with are locals from hawaii who are more Japanese than polynesian, I speak their language quite well and I have mom to worry about.  THe white side just shit on me and well, the younger ones are little better than entitled bigoted midwestern garbage.  I'm just doing what I think is best.
Your the insurance guy, you know whats up.


Not joking, have a pretty good idea what i'm getting into.  Know damn well Japanese in general despise foreigners, i'm literally between a rock and a hard place.  Thing is, it really is the lesser of two evils.  Also, it's not so much Japan I have my eye on, it's Hawaii.  My cousins go there quite a bit and even they wouldn't live there.  Thing I have going for me is i'm pretty much buddhist.  I'm taking the whole going back to my roots thing quite seriously, esp. since things here just went to total shit.



> Why do the men put up with it?  

because only real men will up with it


Spotted the roastie lol, what box of wine did you get this weekend?


i mean, he's not really wrong per say.


He's a fucking moron, "real" men put up with shit from real women, not entitled whores.


so, he's not really wrong?


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From my POV he is, but then again I kind of a gay bottom.


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>kind of


...so... what got you into guys?
if you don't mind me asking that is.


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No no, it's the guys that got into him.


Always liked em, TBH it's one way i've dodged a lot of the BS here.  American women have a higher vd rate, at least 40% of kids here are born out of wedlock and past HS, damn near all the women you meet have kids yet still feel entitled to Chad thundercock.  Also, it's piss easy to get stuck with child support for someone elses failed abortion.  Basically, I used my sexuality to protect my wallet and sanity.



huh, guess that's the benefit of being gay.
lesser chance of long term damage i suppose.
If the whole manipulative girls wasn't a thing,
would you be willing to go back to women?


Well, they'd be more of an option.  Really curious how the dating dynamics will work out as time goes on.  It's piss easy to get a felony on you, lose your gun rights, career and end up homeless, saw more than a few incidences where a ruined ex bf came back and murdered his ex, had the claims for em.  The legal system can't do much about a psychotic ex BF who has nothing to lose.  When the next economic downturn happens and places can't afford police protections things will get interesting.  Sometimes, violence works.


Also hey, I like wearing girly sockies and panties that compliment my butt, that and having cute guys fondle me~

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