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Are you guys going to watch Halloween? It's a sequel to Halloween. Which should make Halloween Halloween 2, but it's not.Halloween already had a Halloween 2 but unlike Halloween, Halloween ignores Halloween 2 making it the new Halloween 2 but it's still just called Halloween. It's also not a sequel to Halloween 2 either. Halloween and Halloween are not connected. Just like Halloween and Halloween weren't connected.

So to recap, Halloween is a sequel to Halloween, but not to Halloween. It is also not a sequel to Halloween 2 or Halloween 2.

Everybody got that?


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What are your thoughts on Halloween, Halloween and Halloween?


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Waiting for Halloween^3.  The Fun Has Been Cubed!!

Or are you summoning it like Beetlejuice.  Still won't get here any faster.

I don't know why I should have to wait until Halloween to go on a murdering rampage, that's just whack.  All these rules.


Absolutely. The question is when. I'm not exactly rolling in money. But I AM going to the city a few times this month, so hopefully I can convince the friend I have been marathoning the Halloween films with over the last few weeks to go during one of those days.

>I don't know why I should wait till Halloween
Well you're in luck, practically every holiday has murder spree films attached to them!


Do not say Beetlejuice any more times.

What are you thoughts on Halloween, Halloween and Halloween?


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Was alright, wasn't as good, hasn't been good for a while.


Halloween is dated, if only because of being one of the initial genre codifiers. While you could point out parts of it both objective and subjective that may not work as well now as it must have in 1978, its status as a genre-influencing classic is undeniable ,and I still find many of its scared and shocks extremely well constructed.

Halloween is a thematic mess. While I realize that Rob Zombie has as much right to his interpretation of a character as deliberately enigmatic as Michael, I personally feel adding a backstory is detrimental to his effectiveness, especially when said backstory boils down to "he was abused therefore he is now a creature so vile that trained psychologists label him 'the most unrepentantly evil thing in existance' but feel sorry for him anyway". The parts of it that is ACTUALLY a remake add some appreciated brutality, but I'd prefer to exorcise the entire first half of the film.

Having not seen Halloween yet, I can't speak for it, but it looks very interesting, and I particularly like getting the more unpredictable Michael back that 'takes tricks' as exemplified by the oft-used tooth scene in the trailer. I don't particularly mind yet another timeline, much as I realize it can be offputting for newcomers.


What is that, 4 seperate time-lines, now?

And yeah, I mostly agree with what you said. But I don't think Micheal's origin in Halloween rob zombie was JUST about being abused. He showed signs of psychotic behavior in his youth. So it raises the question (perhaps unintentionally) of how much of Micheal was created and how much was already in him.


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Well, just on a note of odd movie trivia: I do like how Michael's mask is actually an old Captain Kirk mask that they repurposed as a terrifying, dead-eyed, expressionless killing machine.  Or, you know, Shatner.


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he's the ghost with the most, baby.

Hey if it's true this is Coming Out Day, that means I can get started now!


Fifth, if you want to get SUPER technical:




R1 - R2

1 - 2018


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What do you mean "repurposed", it sounds like Kirk to me.


Oops, miswrote that. Edited. Please refresh thread


They took a Captain Kirk mask and painted it white to make the original Micheal Myers mask. It's since been changed to a more generic mask to avoid copyright.


So 4 if you exclude 3, since it's got nothing to do with Micheal Myers. Yeah, that seems really complicated for newcomers.

Most horror franchises just have one continuity and MAYBE a remake that can be ignored.


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but this thread is already refreshing.

that's pretty cool trivia, I didn't know that.  Did the mask actually look like Kirk in the first place before it was painted, or was it like the action figures that could have easily been Ken in a uniform?

*that original mask painted would be a cool token for any Shatner museum...


It is a bit confusing, but it's hardly that different from any other franchise that has several incarnation or has to deal with Comic Book Time.

Hell, it got REALLY confusing with Godzilla once we entered Millenium where each film is largely standalone or a sequel to the original only after decades of having just two timelines.


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Looked a bit like Kirk.

It'd be much more valuable to a horror museum than a shatner or Star Trek one. But Masks like that don't last long. The original is more than likely destroyed.


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No argument from me on that point!


Yep -- and the dull white adds an extra level of creepiness, or so I feel.


Well, the Kirk mask (side by side with the Michael Meyers mask) looked like the one shown above.


>Nearly every movie in the Millenium Godzilla series is a sequel to the original 1954 Godzilla and ignores all other films. Even those in the same Millenium series




You're right, I think the original is gone by now.


Hmm.  Time to put on the correct tripcode.  Ah, that's better.


Yeah, except I think there is still one that is a direct sequel to another, and bwech.
It's really just best to think of them all as standalone things.


The original 1990s TMNT costumes have all pretty much crumbled to dust. Lost to time. And that was the 90s, not the 70s.


Maybe it's time to reboot Godzilla again! We can have him fight Ultraman!


Well we DO have American Godzilla running around right now. So technically speaking we already did. And I do believe Toho announced bringing him back to live action. And he HAS had two animated films in recent years.


I meant a reboot that doesn't suck...


>any reboot that doesn't suck

wait is that possible?



Omigosh that's uncanny.  It just works so good tho.


There's tons. Scarface, The Fly, The Thing, Battlestar Galactica and Batman Begins.



When did they first start rebooting movies?

I was surprised in the 80s to find some movies already having been made like 3 times by then, specifically Dial M for Murder.


It's a practice nearly as old as film itself. Many silent movies were remade in the talkies era.


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What I found said it was Cecil B. DeMille's The Squaw Man. The first one was made in 1917 then it was remade in 1918 and then again in 1931. DeMille also did a 1923 silent version of The Ten Commandments and then remade it in 1956.

Then of course Ben Hur was originally made in 1907 and has been remade almost 5 times now, including a TV Miniseries.


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Cool great info!

I'm gonna hafta check out some of those other versions of things.

that's pretty close to right away, yes.


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Well I mean, I've already watched
Halloween, Halloween, and Halloween, so of course I'm going to go watch Halloween.


What about Halloween 2? Or Halloween 2?


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I'm more of a Halloween 5, 5, and 5 kind of gal.


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Well from the looks of the trailer, it's going to focus on the psychology of Michael Myers like the first movie rather than the killings like most of the movies, so Hell yeah, I'm gonna see it!
I just wish they added just one more word to the title so it didn't sound like a complete reboot. If I were new to the Halloween series, I would probably want to watch the original movie after this, and if I bought both movies, I'd have "Halloween" and "Halloween" next to each other on my shelf!
Naturally, I already have Halloween 2 next to the original on my shelf, but still, I can see a new generation seeing this as the true sequel to Halloween, resulting in a lot of confusion.


There's only one 5. And it sucks.

Final Destination already messed things up. Final Destination 4 is called "The Final Destination". But when that got a sequel they just said fuck it and went back to numbering them. So there isn't a Final Destination 4, but there is a Final Destination 5.


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I believe FD5 was a prequel.


It was, but thats a massive spoiler.


It's revealed at the end of Final Destination 5 that it's actually a prequel  to the whole series set in the year 2000, and causes the events of the first Final Destination to happen. But they only way you could tell that before the reveal is the fact that people are using outdated technology, something easy to over-look. The plane crash the main character of the first film avoids was actually caused by "death" to kill two other... Final Destinationers?

As far as twists go, it's not bad for the series. It's established that events compile on and cause each other in that setting.


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Sequel name machine broke


I'm not sure what they could have called this film. All the sequel names have already been taken. Micheal Myers has already returned, resurrected, gotten revenge and been cursed! That's all the "R" words for sequel titles!


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But has he Reanimated yet?


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He could still be recycled, rehashed, or really reaching for ideas.  Just like the series as a whole.


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Put him in space in the future and infuse him with nanomachines like in Jason X.


Well, Micheal Myers isn't supernatural like Jason or Freddy, so no. His character has always been revealed to be just "mostly dead" when he comes back in sequels. Sometimes to a point that stretches believeability. Like, how did being in a coma for 10 years grow him new eyeballs after Laurie shot them out of his head with a gun?


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Or they could put him up against a similar antagonist Alien VS Predator style!

Oh, wait...


Nanomachines, son!

Don't fuck with this serial killer!


Yes, but it is a title they can use!

Also, they could make his death canon, but then scientists from the hospital that held him while he was in a coma make a clone of him because reasons?...


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Like Judge Dredd vs Alien vs Predator except with Michael


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Wow, that was actually a thing?

I mean I know about Alien VS Predator, but where does Judge Dredd fit in with all this?


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I have it but haven't read it yet.

There was also a Batman vs Predator a long time back too.


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>Batman VS Predator

I mean... Predator is basically Batman if he was evil, didn't hesitate to kill and was stronger than a normal human. And also an alien. I give this win to Predator.


Yeah, no. Clones ruin everything. Just ask Spider-Man.


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Yea, but it's a common enough excuse plot that it might get considered somewhere down the line.


Pretty sure they are reaching the limits of what can be done with the original Micheal Myers, seeing as they are already running into the problem of him being 61 years old now.

I'd say a reboot is in order, but they already tried that! But no, no clones!


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Maybe "It's Halloween"? I know that sounds stupid, but at least it distinguishes it from any of the other movies. Or going with the theme of "R" words, "Rehabilitated"? Micheal Myers is most certainly not rehabilitated, but it would fit the theme of the mental asylum.


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Nah. I don't really watch movies, let alone seasonal movies.
If I'm going to watch something, I'm going to something I'm more interested in. Something with worldbuilding I can use as inspiration, I can get lost in the concept.
It's also why I tend to skip dramas or character-driven items, truth be told.

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