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 No.563988

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY563_DtzZw

So i watched the newest episode of the pony show that we love so very much, and i gotta say that it was absolutely awesome! It was fun and very very meta!

I enjoyed it from beginning to end, and i loved how it is so reflective of many people in the fandom as a whole. It was very clever in it's visual and character storytelling, and how they used the voices of all the fans in the show reflect all the questions, criticisms, and praises that have been launched at the show throughout the years. I love how they use the book and their own characters as a mirror of how the show started with a book of moral stories, but have been wildly interpreted and misinterpreted through the people that bought the book.

I also loved fluttershy showing her assertiveness and standing up against the ponies who complain that she is "relearning the same moral over and over".


but most of all, i do love the smaller but more impactful moments of Twilight helping the 2 fillies, and they learn their lesson a couple times, and then thank her at the end. It showed how despite the chaos outside, as long as they can help a couple ponies with their problems, then it's all worth it.

i also liked how they didn't "fix" the problem. instead of going outside and fixing the problems, they stay inside in a friendship hug, giving eachother comfort after dealing with all the turmoil and drama that their popularity  has sprung up. It was rather poignant that they did that, and i loved that subtle storytelling


all i gotta say is

Thank you, MA Larson!

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 No.564541

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I'm kinda suprise Applejakc was tolerable for ponies who wern't her friends claiming to be her family and taking up her time, space and patience. I would of thought she would tell them to take a hike given she is not personal with them.

Still, the episode is a nice allegory to how picky the fanbase is. I just wish the episode would of represent some of the nicer aspects of the fandom other than two little girls which are ultimately the target audience anyway.

 No.564548

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The episode was really enjoyable and great fun… so meta!

I heard Larson wasn't really happy with the episode though. Apparently they took his script but made a lot of changes. I guess he hadn't planned to be so openly blunt/aggressive about the "fandom-show-cast" relationship.

 No.564566

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>>564548
I can sorta see why. Don't get me wrong I did enjoy the episode, I would just like if it showed at least some of the book fans (other than Toola Roola and Coconut Cream) who were decent.

Like, when Starlight Glimmer invited Toola Roola and Coconut Cream to the castle at the end, what if Starlight invited a third pony, a full grown stallion background pony, who despite not being at all the target audience let alone came with a friend, still appreciates the book for both it's characters and insights? Or if not some random stallion, it be Derpy.

If the episode was an allegory on bronies, I think it shows too much of the negative than the neutral or possitive.

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>>564541
That is a fair point, and I would have to say that was the only real weak spot to me

>Hugs and kajis <3

And as far as an episode that celebrates the nicer parts of the fandom, I would say ep 100 is a great celebration of the fandom

>>564548
Hmm that's interesting, but even if Larson didn't care for the edits, I still enjoyed it immensely. Does make me wanna see how it was before the edits though

>Hugs and kajis <3

 No.564714

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>>564587
Episode 100 was more of a tribute to the bronies, it wasn't about bronies themselves.

This episode was more to represent bronies and an allegory of their reputation and behavior.


Twilight publishes a book and gets an unwanted fanbase who twist up the point of it all and make it out like she and her friends hate them for how badly mannered they are.

It just be nice if there were ponies to represent the bronies who were not as bad as the rest.
Sure Toola Roola and Coconut Cream could be accounted for as those bronies, but they were also depicted as little girls whom are the target audience of the show. As in target audience = ideal, good, respected by Mane six & bronies = bad, incoherant, disliked by mane six.

It's like to say if bronies were indeed actual ponies in Equestria, the mane six would just not appreciate them as they would not appreciate their own fans for the book they published.

Way I see it, when the phenomenon that is bronies happened, it was an unintended bonus for Hasbro and they just didn't know what to do other than concentrate on their primary target (little girls) and try to distance bronies. When they realise bronies could also be as profitable as little girls (why rely on pocket money or nagging Mummy to buy toys when an audience is capable and willing to buy the merchandice already?) then hasbro started being more understanding of bronies while still keeping in target with their audience.

This is how I feel about the allegory of yesturdays episode. I'm not saying I feel insulted or that bronies should feel insulted because to a degree their is truth to it. I myself disagree with some decisions the cartoon has made over the years and like any fan would be with their idols, would perhaps behave oddly or to a degree disagreeable. But that doesn't mean I would mob them or critisize them as "things" than ponies/people. If anything I would of spoke up in defence of Fluttershy when she was hassled by that mob and be proud of her for her assertiveness (If anything, I find her the most progressive pony in comparison to her friends.) but I will be conscious not to overstep my help if Fluttershy or any of her friends wouldn't want somepony like me to intervein.

In short of Twilight Sparkle invited me to tea, I'd be damn well honoured and keep my mouth shut over my oppinions on twilicorn and other peeves and if Fluttershy's attending be at my very best.

All in all, I'm not saying I'm butthurt over the episode. I did enjoy it. I just tihnk it be nice that for an allegory on bronies, it would of been nice if Twilight and her friends saw more possitive examples of their unwanted fans as well as observe neutral fans who are not as excessive. Doesn't have to be 50/50 or privilege the good bronies in any way, just shows not all bronies who are entirely outside of the target audience arn't that bad.

 No.566333

Haha 7 replies.. we really are a minority aren't we :p  (i.e. those of us on this site who still watch the show that brought us here)

As an allegory to bronies this was about as subtle as a brick through the window :)  But I also thought it was fair and mostly in good humour, and when you have the ability to laugh at yourself it's a pretty funny episode.  

However there was one aspect I found a bit depressing: this is the first time I can recall in FIM other than maybe Tirek where they've ended on a fairly negative note of "yeah there's just no hope with these guys".  Discord and Starlight can turn good, a changeling can change, there was an air of hope that even Chryssy was right on the brink and is just being stubborn until the next two-parter, but bronies? Lost cause them lot.  Apparently this is a very different episode to what Larson originally wrote (to the point that he didn't seem to feel his name should necessarily be on it and interestingly he seems to have parted company since) which makes me wonder if perhaps it was heavily influenced by someone higher up in the company who faces the worst of the self entitled Twitter complainers.  The message of "well at least the little fillies are learning something eh!" has an air of Miller to me from the various times he's been beating off the hordes of raging nerds and reminding them who it's actually written for :)  Many of whom reacted to the really kind "love letter" of episode 100 not by thanking them but by taking to the internet to abuse the staff for 'pandering' instead… so I can't really blame them for feeling somewhat bitter if that's the case.

But then… if it is indeed about us (hard to read it any other way really) then it's a different scenario: we're not watching a villain being redeemed, because the ball has in fact landed in our court and it's up to us to write the ending in our behaviour.

I just hope people are taking it on the chin.  Undoubtedly some out there will get a bit overly defensive and think it's a "fuck you" but I don't think that's the case - more that they wanted to aim a moral or two our way so that perhaps we can prove them wrong and become better fans and learn some things.  Because they do care.  If they didn't care they'd just outright pretend we don't exist, I'd say.  
That said, I've not seen much in the way of defensiveness so far (I'm waffling to pre-empt it, maybe this is our Female Doctor moment and it won't materialise), but have not delved very far into EQD or ponychan comments.

 No.566338

The episode was okay, though it seemed to lean a bit too much onto the "adult pony fans universally suck, but it's worth it to put up with their garbage so that maybe some of the target demographic will learn some important lessons" with its message.

Also what was Twilight thinking just straight-up releasing the thing as copies of the journal, she should have edited it into a proper book BASED on the journal. Oh, and also she should have actually consulted with someone in the industry as to the likely consequences of releasing it, instead of just going "yeah my friends okayed this, go ahead and print it"

>>563988

>Thank you, MA Larson!

Larson had nothing to do with this episode though, other than the starting point being Larson's script they dug out from somewhere and then changed into something completely different.

>i also liked how they didn't "fix" the problem.

But the thing is, it was all fixed by the end of episode reset. I'm fairly sure that starting next week, AJ will no longer have to play host to freeloading hordes, Rarity's business will be back to being booming and her social standing will be back to brilliant, Fluttershy will no longer be randomly harrassed and so on. So honestly, that's kind of "eh". Unless the consequences do carry over, which would be interesting to see.

 No.566433

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i still need to get caught up on the show. would we be willing to do a stream, maybe this weekend? c:

 No.566457

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>>566433
>>566433
I'd love that moony <3

>Hugs and kajis <3

>>566333
C'est la vie I suppose, at least we have each other :)

And the show staff still loves us, but it's also impossible to not see the more critical side of the fandom, and it is important to address that too. In my podcast, I talked about how the man 6 represent the show staff, and that when trying to meet the demands of the extreme fans, they get hurt, but when brought back to the root of making a good quality show with morals, in the moments with tula rula and coconut cream, they get their footing and feel accomplished.

It's actually genius to use those two ponies, because they were part of the main cast of G3. And they were an anchor from the beginning to the end of the episode

>>566338
I think to say that adult fans universal universally suck is a bit short sighted, as it really seems aimed at the fanatical side of the show fandom, as there were also young fillies and colts also wrapped up in commotion.

Ma Larson penned the original, so it was his work for the most part

And what I mean "not fixed" was that it alludes to the fact fandom will always have this sort of drama and vocal minority, and it can't be just moralled away and taken care of. It's more important to remember your true friends, and to remember that if you can help someone in a truly good way, then it's all worth it

 No.566465

>>566457
ooo, yay!!! okay, i will plan one c: hi star <3

 No.566466

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>>566465
>>566465
Wonderful! Just to let you know, Saturday works best for me, but do whatever works for most people

I'm well! I'm planning on a hike here shortly

 No.566481

>>566457

Other than the two fillies, there wasn't even one example of anyone having gotten the book and then not being in some way aggressively crap about it later. And the moral was framed around "it's worth it to deal with all this asshattery because there's fillies who may benefit". These weren't extremists, they were literally everyone who was shown. So mainstream there was even a member of the press right along them. While we can then go "oh, but they did mean the extremists, as far as the metaphor about the human fans goes", there's nothing actually in the episode that says so.

As far as I know, MA Larson disawoved this script as having been rewritten to the point of being unrecognizable, with the credits still saying "Larson" because of union rules. I'm trying to find the original source for that and having a bit of trouble right now though, since many people are saying it (messing with the googling pool) but nobody bothers to link the original source.

 No.566482

>>566457
>>566481

Apparently the problem with finding the source is caused by the source being tweets that no longer exist. Some got screencapped though: https://derpibooru.org/1508910

 No.566488

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>>566466
okay c: Saturday it is!! very exciting c:

 No.566506

>>566457
I think the fillies were also (intentionally or not, who knows how much of what we're reading into all this was intended) taken as a message of "it's the little girls who matter though, as it was in G3 and earlier, and it's them who are responding more maturely to the show" though :p

The negatives in the fandom do exist though for sure, I've witnessed plenty, and the issue may be that it was originally aimed purely at Twitter trolls (I'm sure I remember Larson hinting at this in one of his "it's got my name on it but it's not what I wrote" speeches) and for whatever reason - be it humour, grievance, or some combination - it's broadened to catch more bronies in the firing line and thus where some like myself have taken it humorously others have been quite offended.

>>566481
The source in my case was his virtual attendance at Bronyscot last year - though I think in this instance I concentrated on listening rather than filming so not sure I have a clip (or want to get him into trouble even if I did)

 No.566507

What about the old mare saying "Twilight was better before she had wings!" though, I though that was hilarious personally :p  

I think that probably signifies the good humour Larson would've intended and that either makes it through or doesn't depending on the viewer.

 No.566508

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hm… concerning our Saturday Stream, i might be busy for most of Saturday, and won't likely even be home until like 8 or 9 PM EST :c is that too late for most ponies?

 No.566509

>>566506

Well, many people are saying the same thing. While many could be just repeating it like a rumour and be thus worthless as a source, it would be pretty weird if everyone who said they saw the thing on twitter or in an interview were lying.

 No.566510

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I thought the episode was funny. There were a bunch of clever references, and I thought the message at the end was nice. Don't ruin the friendship hug by dealing with the angry mob.

 No.566516

>>566509
Here's what I saw in the ponychan thread, 42:30:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lVa1M4nxp8&feature=youtu.be

And I do have a Bronyscot clip, it seems, but I'm just not sure how much he was allowed to say and whether it'd land him in trouble to share it.  The original version was based on "It's a wonderful life" and was meant as an allegory to remembering there's a human on the other side of the internet.

 No.566542

>>566509
>>566516

Aha…. right change of tune here - done a bit of quick digging and Bronyscot themselves recorded and shared the full stream - so I think it's reasonable to assume it was knowingly recorded and there's nothing to worry about.  Rather than share my clip I'll just link to theirs, the relevant part is at 2h25

https://youtu.be/2gyPM7QQ1-k?t=8702

 No.566571

>>566542
>>566516

Well, there we go. What he wrote was "It's a Wonderful Pony Life", what we got was "The Unintended Fanbase Makes Us Miserable: A Review".

 No.566577

>>566571
IMO, may have been tweaked during one of the various Twitter spats. They've been quite upset with us a few times as unfortunately there's a tendency on Twitter to only pay attention to raging morons and to think they represent everyone

 No.566944

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It's episodes like these that make me lose faith in the franchise as a whole, blurring the lines between Friendship is Magic and Teen Titans Go.

But with Twilight speaking for the writers and all, she missed a perfect chance to say something like "Hey I didn't choose to become a princess, that decision was from the higher-ups!" or "Look not all the lessons can be great okay, we were writing one every week!"

 No.566949

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i'm still on the record of saying this is like my 3rd fav episode this season

>>566571
>>566481
man, you took the whole episode in a wholly more negative light than i did. but i guess that's just how you see it then

>>566488
>>566508
awesome!

that would be 6-7 for me, which is fine for me

>>566510
i loved that friendship hug <3

>>566944
there is nothing about that episode that made me think it was like teen titans go

also, this ep did make me think of you quite a bit actually :P

 No.566965

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This ep had me bummed for a little while after seeing the somewhat polarizing fan reaction, but I've eventually settled on a position I can be comfortable with. In my eyes, this ep doesn't really take shots at the fandom for existing, for criticizing the show, or even for caring about different stuff than the writers. It mostly seems to be about taking a swing at the types of folks who

>>566944
> that decision was from the higher-ups!
I would have fucking died if she said that!

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>>566965
> taking a swing at the types of folks who
harass the show staff on the internet and stuff. Also, sry bout the double post. Accidentally it the post button….

 No.567047

>>566949

The episode was all right, just a bit too unnecessarily mean.

 No.567078

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So uh, when Starlight is left alone to "take care" of those two ponies who made Rarity feel bad… Are we ever given any resolution on that? Did she say anything about it when she got back?

 No.567079

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>>567078
Not really. But one of the two showed up in the crowd at the end and again made a snide remark about Rarity. So whatever Starlight said had little effect.

 No.567080

>>567079

Clearly she went in with "I'mma go in and magic their minds straight! ……..wait, I wasn't supposed to do that anymore" and then slinked away

 No.567082

>>567079
>>567080
And at the end, could you imagine her going up to the fillies and being like "Hey kids I need you for something, just gonna teleport you somewhere real quick"
Run and find an adult, fillies.

 No.567084

>>567078
We'll get a resolution in a few years when their skeletons are found in a basement somewhere :)


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