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You know what I don't understand? Why so many celebrities and politicians get caught sending unsolicited pictures of their junk ("dick pics" as the yunguns call it).

Like, who even does that? I understand the idea of sharing elicit photos with someone you like and who is interested, but to just send pictures of your dick to strangers who haven't asked and haven't shown an interest?
What is going through these people's minds when they think "I like this girl, but I don't know how to tell her that. I know, I'll send her a picture of my penis without asking. That'll do it!"

Has that ever worked for anyone? If it's worked for you, let me know. Because it just seems like such a weird thing to do.


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I never understoof much of it either.
Same for people capable of aggressive courting.

Or stalking.
Do stalkers ever think they're not totally insane?


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Like, a few years ago, there was this kid who got stabbed over a girl he knew because he didn't want to share personal data to another dude who "was in love with her".

I mean, hey, you want to get with her, but her friend won't allow you so you murder that guy in cold blood so she'll understand how much you want to do for her.

Like how?


Clearly someone like this isn't mentally stable.


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I would say, the same goes for stalking.

A lot of people get mentally unstable, but even then, these people must have grown up with some form of conscience.


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I think what happens is that the mental instability to do such things comes from the culmination of issues. Something just snaps, and they usually justify their actions to themselves so they don't feel as bad about it.


Crazy people very often don't know they are crazy. Or sometimes, refuse to admit to themselves that they are crazy. Otherwise they would say "I'm crazy. The way I think isn't normal. I need help."

One time, the Riddler tried to use his intellect to do a normal bank heist just for money, without and of his usual mind-games. But his compulsion to one-up Batman and prove he is smarter won out, and he left a clue for Batman to follow anyway. When Batman caught him, The Riddler realized that he wasn't right in the head and turned himself in willingly. He was in complete denial that he was nuts up until that point.


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But then he got the help he needed and went back to successfully robbing banks?


No, he got put back in Arkham Asylum and continued to not get any help.



what a great lesson.


Actually, teaching about poor state of mental health care in this country might be a good lesson.


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I mean….tinder and grindr exist so it must have worked at least once via the laws or probability.


But grindr is for gay dating, right? That's just how gay dating works. I don't think that counts as "unsolicited" if you're on a gay dating website.


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aside from that, dickpics are pretty caveman
I too wanna know what girls go for those.


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That is not "just how gay dating works."


It's not?


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No it isn't.


How does it work?


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Like how it works for non day people.


Well that's another argument waiting to happen, because it can't be exactly the same, because of how different men and women are. Especially in this regard. But I'm willing to accept that >>561576 isn't how it works for gay people. We just have to find out how it does.

Also, we are getting off topic, a bit.


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It's pretty much the same once the two make it anything official. Cuddling, sweet talking, pet names, bits of flirting, emotional support, and overall just being cutesy with one another. The main difference is that depending on the area, a gay couple may need to tone it down in public compared to a straight couple for fear of someone being an asshole about it.

The biggest difference would be what happens before a relationship. Lots of self-doubt, confusion, questioning, etc. The unfortunate reality is that for a lot of gay people, the person they end up developing feelings for very well might not have a compatible orientation. If there's a friendship there ahead of time, it can cause a lot of anxiety because there's the fear that a confession of a crush or something more will drive that other person away.


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You can't really take a day off on being all emotionally supportive and cuddly either, even if you aren't feeling super.


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True, but that's more relationships in general.


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Very true! I'm just saying that it isn't all sunshine and sprinkles every single day.


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Most people tend to try to not let such things bleed out to where others see it. Still, the point I was making is that besides the gender makeup, gay relationships are not dissimilar to straight ones in terms of the actions between those involved.


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It's almost as if homosexuals aren't actually a completely seperate species.


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Fuckin' shocker that one.


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They can be very stressful. Hidden or not, I think that is something important to know.


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It's still more something that falls into relationships in general. Most forms of affection seem to be appreciated regardless of gender assuming it's something reciprocated in the first place. That's more what I was getting at.


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Oh, I just mean relationships in general, since they are very important on a conceptual level to the person asking about the gay relationships.


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Fair enough, I just sort of felt that went without saying.


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And if I were saying it for you then I wouldn't have said it, but I am performing for an audience that may or may not be paying attention.


>>If there's a friendship there ahead of time, it can cause a lot of anxiety because there's the fear that a confession of a crush or something more will drive that other person away.

That's true of straight people too.


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Well I didn't mean for it to come across like it's all sunshine and rainbows, more trying to express what you'd see assuming you're not close to the couple involved yourself.

Yes it is, but there's the extra layer of fear of social stigmatization with gay relationships. The one with the feelings may also not be out, and the one being confessed to might not have dealt with anything like that and not handle it properly. Worst case scenario is that the person turns out to be a homophobe, maliciously outs the other person and writes them off as a "freak," to use a word starting with "f" that still gets the point across.

Yeah shitty rejections that go out of hand can still happen to straight people but even that is… I guess more "normalized." Doesn't make those right, but there's one less layer to it, I suppose you could say.


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I didn't mean to talk down. I was just trying to get you to confirm to make up for my untrustworthiness. I know you have more insight into these things than I do so I was trying to leech off of some of that authority.


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I don' think you really come off as untrustworthy though. It's not as though it's hard to pin down who you are after all.


Can't gay people tell when other people are gay? I heard that was a thing.

Never been in one, so I wouldn't know.


Eh. I screwed up the whole mess anyways so it's all a pointless exercise.


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"Gaydar" isn't a real thing. It's picking up on body language that someone may or may not be broadcasting. Picking up on those signs when they're being broadcast is a learned skill, even then it's not foolproof. Someone may be doing it unintentionally, perhaps just having a flirty yet platonic personality.

Then there are those who the only tipoff that they're gay/bisexual is that they want to date/fuck people of their own gender, and that's it.

Not having been in a relationship is also hardly an excuse. One is fully capable of understanding the breadth of human interaction without personally participating.

Your point was still good, and came from the right place. Nothing to put yourself down for.


Well, I can't tell if someone is gay, because I'm not gay. But I've heard that gay people can. I'll have to look for that study I saw.

But you have to have been in a relationship to know what being in a relationship entails. Otherwise you're just going off things you saw on TV and movies, which is what I have to do a lot of the time.



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Even gay people cannot 100% tell if someone else is gay in any given context. Just like you cannot tell if someone is straight 100% of the time. Just like in straight relationships, it's a matter of probing to see if the other person is receptive to your advances or not. It's not some passive sense that people have. You can also pick up on it even if you aren't the one doing the probing if you're simply observant of the people around you.

No. You don't. You can pick up what you need to understand relationships just by observing relationships around you. In fact, simply understanding other people and developing one's own empathetic skills will make the other pieces fall into place.

It's just as easy to find something like that disproving it.

It's all in your own ability to use and read social cues. There's no sixth sense about it. Just because someone may match some aspects of what someone who is "gay" is supposed to be like does not make them so. Just because a man is effeminate does not preclude him from being an incredible womanizer, and just because a woman is gruff and tough side does not mean she doesn't want the D. You can also have someone who meets all the typical criteria of being "straight" but only has interest in romance of those of the same gender.



Either way. You seem to have everything I'd say under control.


>just by observing relationships around you

All the relationships around me are dumpster fires…

And I wasn't saying that all straight or gay people meet a certain critera. I'm well aware a guy can be less than stereotypically masculine and straight. That's something I have to argue with people all the time. But at the same time maybe there's some other factor at play here beyond observable behavior we don't understand. Something like, I dunno, pheromones or some shit.


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I'd certainly like to think so.

>All the relationships around me are dumpster fires…
They are still relationships, and there is much to be learned from such things. Mostly along the lines of "what not to do." Observing these relationships has value that should not be ignored. Just as there are lessons within healthy relationships, and lessons in everything in between.

I hate to say just take my word for it, but in this case I have to. All cues are observable, some are incredibly subtle. Unless someone is the best actor in the world, those cues are also hard to control. People's body language is impulsive, even subconscious. Most people react to those cues without realizing that's what they're doing. It's not pheromones, or gaydar, or tapping into the subconscious. It's navigating the currents of social interaction. Everyone contributes to those currents, those who take the time to learn are able to more easily see where those currents are likely to lead, and some are even able to steer the currents to a degree with their own charisma.


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>Something like, I dunno, pheromones or some shit.

That's actually a curious thing.  I wonder if human pheromones change based on sexuality.  I would assume not, but how cool would that be?


"What not to do" doesn't really help you know what you should do. There could be 100 wrong answers and only one right answer.

And like I said, I can't tell who's gay and who isn't at all.

if I'm not mistake, human pheromones is still something not much is known about.


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Knowing what not to do is important, especially because there isn't one hundred wrong answers and one right answer. It's more like one hundred wrong answers and one hundred right answers. Those answers are gleaned from learning about and understanding the people involved.

Well I'll assure you it's not because you aren't gay. You don't need to be gay to learn the signs, you just need to take the time to do so.


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Taking an active and engaged interest in people has generally helped me.


You know, we never talked about why people send unsolicited dick pics.


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Because they're too damn anxious that they want to skip straight to sex. They think that's what is wanted to be seen and will kick off the libido. Women do their own version sometimes. It's just as inappropriate.

Long and short of it is sending nudity pictures to someone without asking first is a dick move. Pun intended. Care should be taken ahead of time that the person is receptive as well. By and large, just don't.


>>Women do their own version sometimes.

None have ever done it to me! That sounds like a good day!


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Well… it's not.


Are you sure?
But yeah, its a good rule of thumb not to send naked pictures to someone without asking. I'd like it, because I'm single. But you could get someone in trouble.


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Being single has nothing to do with it, it's still awkward and unwanted. Shouldn't happen.


You're saying you wouldn't like it if a girl sent you naked pictures?


It is sexual harassment.


Missed one.


I guess technically it is.


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It already happens, and I don't like it, no.


Wtf "technically"?


Yeah, technically.

Well I would say send them to me, But that's illegal!


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No, I don't think so. I delete nudes I get, man or woman, and tend to drift away from associating with them.


I see where this is going and I am not obligated to join you there.


If women are sending you nudes unsolicited, that must mean you are very handsome or very charming! Like I said, no ones ever done that to me.



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Yeah, don't think I'm far behind.

Look, women will send them for much the same reasons men will. It's equally offputting.

I have no time for such things. It's a clear sign they both do not understand who I am, nor do they have any real desire to do so.


I guess I don't understand women very well.


Because most people act on impulse and don't think of the consequences of their actions.


I still think its weird that that's the best idea they have when they like someone.


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Here's a tip, throw women into the all-encompassing "people" pile. Then you pick out a "person" from the larger people pile. If the person is interesting, get to know them, learn about them, learn from them. Some of those people will likely be women, who you know know and have hopefully grown to care about as a person and who they are, not the body the person is in. You'll get a fuller picture of the reality of the world and the people in it.


Women are hard to talk to, though. Like, have you ever tried? It's not impossible, but it is more difficult.


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Yes, I've talked to women. They're no more difficult to talk to than men. Honestly if it's anything, it's easier!


Nah, it's way harder! Like, I've never met any women who really share my interests.


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Nah dude, women are nerds.


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Nerdy girls are cute. But I don't really run into any.


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I've been around girls who were totally into Harry Potter and the Game of Thrones.

One introduced me to the Hitcxhhiker's Guide of the Galaxy.

Those are nerdy things, right?

Then again, I've not been around gamer girls or comic book geeks. (the latter mostly because comic geeks in the American style aren't that much around here)

My ex sister in law was enamored with Japan and anime. Then she became the hippie vegan type.


>Harry Potter and the Game of Thrones.
>Those are nerdy things, right?

I guess, technically… But Game of
Thrones is debatable. In any case, I'm not into either of those things. Fantasy was never my genre, I like science fiction.


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The girls I know are totally into GoT.

They don't like Khaleesi.


I don't watch it, so I don't know the characters. But I do sometimes wonder why fantasy appeals more to girls than science fiction sometimes.


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Oh. Okay, I guess we're done talking about what I was saying.


Are we? I thought this was part of it. What did you want to say? If you want to talk about Game of Thrones… I really can't.


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This whole fucking conversation is just you moving goal posts. Artee commented that there are girls into Harry Potter and Hitchhikers Guide and you said they aren't into GoT. I point out GoT fans and now it is something totally niche and irrelevant. It wouldn't be bothersome if I didn't know you were going to categorically dismiss everything you didn't already believe at the end of it. It's frankly quite exhausting to talk to you about and it is very hard to feel like you're acting in good faith.


I never said girls weren't into Game of Thrones. I said that I wasn't into Game of Thrones. I think that's where the confusion lies.



Yep. So let's just back the conversation up a bit.

Artee knows girls in to Harry Potter and Game of Thrones. I'm not into any of those franchises. I'm into sci-fi more than fantasy. And then I wondered why more girls are into fantasy franchise.

Now you can come into the conversation at this point, or you can choose to not to. Up to you.


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I know some girl Trekkies.


Oh? I dont' think I've ever met any.


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If you're willing to fly over and live here, I can set you up with one of them.


Is she single?


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not sure

I think?


Find out.


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i know quite a few girl trekkies - some are single, and some are not!


Are they cute,moony? You should ask them out.


>Are they cute,moony? You should ask them out
Heh, without the word "out" at the end, that has quite a different meaning. It's a bit hard to imagine Moony going up to a girl and asking her whether she is cute.


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they are all very nice. but, i think i'd really rather just be friends. i don't want to do any relationships for a long while.


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What's stopping you?


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from pursuing relationships? it's probably a lot to say, but i think i'd not like one right now, for a while.


That doesn't sound like anything I could understand, moony.


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relationships are work Manley, physical, mental and emotional.

Obviously having someone you love is great but not every relationship turns out good, and when they turn out bad it can be really bad.


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that picture is so cool, agiri!


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Dash looking all grumpy back there c:


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Isn't it? Rarity doing girly things with (to?) Dash is just so cute


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she loves it.

I seem to remember someone being caught at a certain spa


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i love it when Rainbow Dash tries to act all tough, but she's really a smushie softie


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Hey, she has a reputation to maintain…


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And she DEFINITELY wouldnt want this picture to get out


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awwww a rainbow dash piggie bank c:


I've never been in one, so I wouldn't know. But I do know people wouldn't get into them if something about them wasn't worth it.

I can't understand not wanting something I've always wanted.


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you do not understand… not wanting a relationship??

why not? :c


Because I've always wanted to be in one and could not. That's like asking someone in a wheelchair about not wanting to walk.


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i do not understand… why not go out and try? surely, there are opportunities for all of us


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How Dashing!


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RainbowBombs were fun back in the day.


I don't think you'd understand, moony.


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maybe not, manley. but i feel like, if you do want a relationship, you could go out and find girls that are maybe like you?

confidence and common interest… are sometimes all it takes to capture another person's interest

i remember when that uised to happen!! that was fun!!


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Too bad I'm the last of the Bomb'nons left. I remember one of them wanted me to watch The Originals. I got a couple episodes in but I wanted to stop and talk but I didn't see them after that.


Its not really all that easy, moony. But you wouldnt know because girls like you


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blessed are you, last of the bomb'nons. all Rainbow Dash is left unto you!

…don't say that, Manley. girls like you, too! Or they would, if they knew you!


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I still have [one] of my raranons around! Even if she doesn't play with me anymore.


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aw raranon <3


I'm pretty sure that's the opposite of true. They don't like me, and they'd like me less if they knew me.


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It is okay! I focus on doing new things for other people now.


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…why? :c

aw, that's still super nice! that is such a cute flutter pic


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I play by my own rules for the most part!


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you have good rules, anon!


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I'm not sure you'd actually like all of them sometimes, but they generally serve well.


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aw, well, it doesn't matter what i think! what matters is that they do good, for you


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Of course it matters what you think.


I guess I suck? I don't know, I just know what always happens.


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yeesh, i don't think you suck, Manley! but maybe think about why it hasn't worked out. Why haven't you met any girls that might take a shining to you?

…aw, you are so kind, anon. but i do not know if that is true.


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Why isn't it?


Because I don't understand girls and don't share any interests with girls an I'm also dorky and ugly. That about covers it.


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nobody is ugly, manley… but if you are dorky, why not find some dorky girls, dear friend? they exist c:

and they are probably out there also looking for dorky guys to date!

well, why should it be? c:


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If I'm doing something for you then if you like it or not really is the core criteria.


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So work out you will be way less ugly.


Why do you assume that's the problem?


We were just talking about how I don't know any and can't find any.


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It is a universal rule that working out makes anyone look better


What if your face was bitten off by an aligator?


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I mean that's pretty extreme but either way some nice pecs aren't gonna hurt.


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you are a smart thinker, manley. you postulate about many things! but, what of this thing?

oh… but why do anything for me? :c


Where are you getting that in smart, Moony? Anyway,  Nerdy girls are actually pretty hard to find.


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Because I decide to.


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…well, i know many… they are just in nerdy places, that's all c:

do you have any arcades where you live? i know a lot of girls who love barcades!

…well, thank you, anon. you really do not have to


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I have decided to. You will not manage to talk me out of it so please accept it.


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I think there's one, but I've never met any girls there. You live in a much bigger city, moony.


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Say you like it~


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…that is true. i sometimes forget that. New York City also has like, many more women than it does men.

i do like it… but i don't like having anybody do anything for me. :c


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Why not?


I didn't know that. But finding girls with my interests is very difficult.


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>Brooke Lajiness, a mother of two from Chelsea, Michigan, was convicted on multiple counts of criminal sexual conduct, Michigan Live reported. Assistant Washtenaw County Prosecutor John Vella made the case that Lajiness was “clearly a predator,” saying that she sent the boys naked pictures of herself on Snapchat to lure them into sexual acts.

So I guess it works if it just showed up in the news.


How is that a crime, exactly? Sounds like a public service!


Also, yeah. Of course it works for women. but why do guys do it? Especially unsolicited?


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sexual harrasment and sexual assault is the same regardless of whether it's a man or a woman doing it.

to call sexual harrassment from a male bad, while calling it from a woman "a public service" you are promoting a horrible double standard that silences victims of harrasment from a woman, as well as enable female sexual harrassers.

while it's not as common as males sexual harassing others, it's not something you can just wave away


Pretty sure she didn't force those boys to do anything they didn't want to, Star


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Boys. Manley. As in, under the age of consent.

Upon looking it up, 14 and 15 respectively.

It's the exact same crime as if a man were to manipulate two 14 and 15 year old girls into sex.

It's not okay.


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assuming the boys are underage, it's absolutely predatory behavior to groom children into sex acts with sexual pictures or conversations, etc. i'm actually kind of surprised you feel this way because you seem keen to men's issues oftentimes and the diminishing of male victims of sexual harassment is a really prevalent and shitty thing that society often says is OK because boys are stereotyped to be interested in sex no matter what, which is obviously an untrue and harmful belief that is the inverse of the "women should be sexually reserved and it is wrong for a women to be openly enthusiastic about sex"

i know many guys who were molested or sexually assaulted and the universal theme is feeling that their problems were laughed off because it's "weird" for a man to consider sexual advances "unwanted" by a woman, especially when the woman is considered attractive


IMHO the age of consent is too damn high.  Saying that sexual relations between an adult woman and a 15-year-old boy is automatically "rape" is just absurd.



what age do you propose?


Onset of puberty seems like a reasonable age grounded in actual biology.


Are you saying you would have turned down a hot older woman for sex when you were 15?


Um… puberty does not equal emotional or mental maturity, though.



it's grounded in sexual development but what about mental development?


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Yes. Yes I would have.


I think they're mentally developed enough for it not be automatically be rape. I'd favor a separate misdemeanor offense like "corruption of minors" for under 14 or 15, though.


What a polite way to say "I don't believe you"?

I think there's a wide gap between children getting molested and a 15 year old scoring.


Really? I would have jumped at the chance to fuck a hot woman.


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i don't understand your point, a lot of adult predators are smart and know how to prey on kids and just because the kid is initially okay with it doesn't mean it's not an abusive relationship. oftentimes the child doesn't understand the relationship and fails to see the power imbalance when an adult knows how to groom and emotionally manipulate a child. a kid could very well be curious at some point and, from there, an abuser can remove the child's sense of agency by shaming them, threatening them, or otherwise hurting them in order to continue the abuse.

oftentimes its as simple as they don't think its a big deal, realize they're not comfortable with what is going on, and then the adult preys on normal child/teenager emotions like shame/embarassment/fear to shut down the child's agency to say no or retract consent



i don't really think puberty entails immediate mental development. i also think a misdemeanor is a very, very lax punishment for a variety of potentially horrifying acts


i don't think there always is, is a 15 year old is "scoring" with an adult who is preying on them due to their age and grooming them into a sexual relationship, i don't see the huge difference. sexual abuse on children doesn't have to equate to violent assault or the stereotypes in movies of this horrific struggle, that's kind of the whole point - the adult will make it seem normal and appropriate to the child, when we are discussing children or teenagers and the mental gap to adults in terms of their understanding, it's very hard for me to see many situations where i wouldn't consider a sexual relationship between a minor and an adult non-abusive


Well then, what about in countries where 15 is the age of consent? Shouldn't that sort of thing happen MORE there? I think we would have heard about wide-spread manipulation of kids by adults in those countries, but we don't.

Yeah, the potential for there to be an unhealthy dynamic is there, but it's not always going to be the case. Most 15 year olds ARE having sex, after all. There's not much anyone can do about that.


>i don't really think puberty entails immediate mental development.
Well of course. Some people are clinically retarded and arent mentally developed even after 18. But I think the typical 12-year-old is mentally matured enough that sex isn't automatically rape.


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"I'm oblivious as to the inner mental processes of one such as you." That would sum it up rather adequately.

Congrats, when I was 15 I would have completely written you off as being so weak you couldn't even rise above your hormone driven urges.

I was much more judgemental when I was a teenager.


Um, having sex for fun isn't weakness. Sexual morality is mostly just a spook.


Well, why wouldn't you?


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Hence why I mentioned I was more judgemental. 15 year old me is more than a decade past. 15 year old me being surrounded by hormonal teenagers who seemingly thought of nothing else. I saw how wrapped up into it they got, how they defined themselves by it. I didn't give a damn.

At some point after that I stopped being so judgemental and began trying to understand perspectives outside my own.

That I was such a person is partially why I would disagree with your stance on a 12 year old being "mentally mature." They're not, they are children in a body that has begun to develop. 18 as an age of consent has always seemed appropriate to me. There are less differences between an 18 year old and a 28 year old, compared to a 22 year old and a 12 year old. Both physically, and mentally.

Because it's not a thing I want to do.


Because you're gay, or asexual? I'm honestly trying to wrap my mind around this.


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Let's just say it's more complex than those.


Sounds complicated then. People around here always make it more complicated than it needs to be. But surely you understand that most people aren't so complicated?


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This may shock you, but human sexuality is complicated. There's all sorts of things wrapped up and pertinent to sex.

Here's what's not complicated. Someone in their 30s having sex with a 14 year old is emotionally abusive. Regardless of the genders involved. A 14 year old boy is not "scoring," he's being used. There's an inherent imbalance in power in that situation that is not appropriate in the slightest. Because that older person makes them feel special, or important, or "so mature for your age." It's manipulative, simple as that.

Let's make a thought experiment. Will there be teenagers under the age of consent that attempt to flirt with an adult they find attractive? Sure, hormones hit hard and can cloud judgement. It is the responsibility of the adult to not just turn them down, but explain why what they're doing is inappropriate. To help that young person forward on the path to true emotional maturity which will aid them throughout the rest of their life.


I guess you have a point, logically. But it's harder to see from this perspective, because I wouldn't have minded if someone older had done that with me when I was that age. Hell, I'd probably be less awkward and in a much better position now if they had.


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There is far more likely that it would have done more harm than good. If anything, I think it would have made you more awkward in the long run due to further skewing your understanding of what sex is.

Sex isn't a magic spell. It's not tied to a switch that suddenly flips on that makes you not socially awkward. In fact, it can make things even more awkward.

I mean what I'm about to say sincerely. Stop giving sex more importance than it's due. It's the relationship around the sex that will inform what sex means in that context. Fuck buddies? You're just having fun, just in it for the pleasurable sensations. One-night stand? Similar to fuck buddies, except you don't even have any intention to be friends. You're just mutually agreeing to using each other for a meaningless thing. Emotionally intimate? It can be a bonding mechanism. Manipulation or physical coercion? It's robbing someone of the right to control their own body.

Sex will not make your awkwardness vanish, Manley. Learning about other people, gaining understanding, and overcoming your hangups will. To be perfectly blunt, you've already made progress on that. You just need to keep going.


>Someone in their 30s having sex with a 14 year old is emotionally abusive. Regardless of the genders involved. A 14 year old boy is not "scoring," he's being used
So let me get this straight. If a 14-year-old pays a 30-year-old prostitute to have sex with him at a fair market price, he is being "used" and she is being "emotionally manipulative"?  I beg to differ.


I don't think it's me giving sex "more importance than it's due". That's something society does on it's own. Why else would so many tv shows, movies, songs, video games and other such thing be based around this thing that I can't have and will probably never experience. You have to think about it as someone looking at it as a complete outsider. Why is everyone so obsessed with this thing if it's "not a big deal"?

I just feel like, I don't know, maybe my life would be different now. Maybe I'd have an easier time talking to girls, or more confidence in myself. You're right, it's possible I wouldn't, but at the same time, we'll never really know. But you have to realize that being a virgin at my age is seen as abnormal by most people. The first question I always get is "Why?", like I'm some kind of abnormality. It's a difficult thing to deal with, but that's not something I'd expect someone who hasn't experienced it to understand.


Are you the same anon defending pedophiles the other night?


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Technically, I do think that's a point here.

I don't think a regular adult should enable a kid to have sex with him/her.

But prostitutes? Sex is just their business.

Kids should not visit prostitutes though.


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Also, sex is way more amazing as a concept rather than in its execution.


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And I'd argue the prostitute should not be selling a 14 year old their services. You fucking ID that person or outright refuse them service. No different than alcohol or tobacco.

Because it sells. It makes money. You can absolutely choose whether or not you give in to that societal pressure or not.

Again, it wouldn't make a difference. What would make a difference were if you had had some sort of romantic relationship, sex involved or not. If you just had some sticky, fumbling thing one night when you were in high school it wouldn't have changed much.

> The first question I always get is "Why?", like I'm some kind of abnormality
There's the problem. You're basing your own sense of self-worth by how you're seen by other people rather than making it yourself.

This is also true.


Easy for you to say when you're not the one being judged.


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Waiting on it.


On what?


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I'm confused. For me to do what?


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For you to put the pieces together.

Pfft, no. No offense Manley.


You must think I'm smarter than I am if you think I will.


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Then you'll just have to take my word for it when I say that you letting being judged for being a virgin bother you means you're relying on the approval of others too much.

But if internal validation and resilience in the face of adversity isn't enough of an incentive, then perhaps that self-confidence is widely seen as and colloquially referred to as "Sexy as fuck," will.


That's not a phrase anyone would use to describe me. But yeah, it does bother me sometimes to be seen as some kind of freak. Can't really help that. But if I really "relied on the approval of others too much", then I'd have done something about this situation long ago. But I haven't, because finding someone who I like and who likes me back is more important than people who make fun of me.

But I feel like this conversation has gotten way too personal.


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>But I haven't, because finding someone who I like and who likes me back is more important than people who make fun of me.

Then congrats, you've got a perfectly good reason for your situation. If people don't respect it, then they are simply being an asshole. At which point if they mock you for it, their words are nothing more than petty words from an asshole being an asshole. They can be safely and gladly ignored. Do so.


Just because it's a good reason doesn't make it easy.


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It just takes practice. Practice self-validation in tandem with self-reflection while doing so. Identify a flaw within yourself, and work to correct it.

Here, I'll even point you in a good starting direction. Start talking to women. Just talk to them. Not for the end result of sex, or getting a girlfriend, just talk to 'em. Literally just talk to them. No strings attached. If a natural opportunity presents itself, take it. Just chat. Talk to her like you would speak to a man. Nice and chill. Don't be a creep about it or anything, but don't turn down the opportunity if it's there. Maybe you'll make a friend or two.


I guess I could try, if I run into any. But it probably wont end well.


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Literally just don't be a jerk.

Oh, and maintain eye contact. If you've got trouble with that, well, you need to work on that first. Undressing her with your eyes is a good way for you to come across as creepy, rightfully so.


I wouldn't just do that to a woman I don't know…


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Good! It's still worth mentioning because I don't know you well enough to know if you do or don't do that. Plenty of dumb fucks who can't figure out something as basic as that out there in the world.


It's gonna be hard finding something to talk about.


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Make small talk, probe for interests, follow the flow of the conversation. Find out what she likes and does. Take an interest. Just talk, you're not marrying her. If you find there's not enough shared interest you don't have to worry about it.


I guess. It's just I very rarely have any shared interests with women.


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Guess what, most guys don't share all your interests either. That's the case for everyone on the planet.


I guess, but I HAVE met guys who share my interests, though. Like, that's who make up the majority of my interest's audience.


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Well, considering you seem to be fairly big into comic books, I'll just say that the last few years of Marvel movies are an excellent gateway drug, as it were. That might be all you need to share the wider breadth of your interest.

Otherwise… Pokemon? Holy shit dude, Pokemon is pretty much loved by people of all type. You never know who is a Pokeaddict these days.


I'll give it a try if I run into any women. But I'm not too hopeful it would be a spectacular train wreck.


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Gotta start somewhere. Just be nice, and if it seems like she doesn't want to talk about it, don't. Try and find something else. All else fails, you don't have to keep talking to her.


I'm getting kinda sleepy. Goodnight.


>And I'd argue the prostitute should not be selling a 14 year old their services.
Why not?  IMHO, society would get along just fine without all these puritanical sexual morality laws.


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Because I fall into the category of people who approve of sex between consenting adults, and I don't consider people under 18 to be adults. A 14 year old still has a lot of growing up to do, both physically and mentally. As long as the age and consent requirements are met, people should be free to do whatever with whoever.

18 isn't an age I'll budge on either. Just because there are places in the world where the age of consent is lower does not mean I approve. Teenage kids under that age are going to find ways around it if they want to, just as they get around things like drinking age. That doesn't make it something an adult should facilitate, and especially not partake in.


>18 isn't an age I'll budge on either.
How did you arrive at the of 18? You said that you won't budge on it, so presumably you have some scientifically valid evidence to support your position? I mean, I think 14 or 15 would be a reasonable lower limit, but I'm open for reconsidering in light of actual evidence.


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Because 18 is the point where puberty either already has, or is wrapping up. Some people finish earlier, some people finish later, but it's the point where the physical changes that were going to happen are done in almost everyone. There's some minor changes that happen past that point into the early twenties, but they're much less drastic than what happens during puberty.

Simply having reached puberty and being in the middle of it is not good enough.


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Chalk me up for 14, I think, that seems pretty reasonable to me.  I could maybe be convinced all the way down to 12, but I think that's my lower limit, and it's pretty iffy to me.


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Why not 17 then?  According to Wikipedia, "On average, girls begin puberty around ages 10–11 and end puberty around 15-17; boys begin around ages 11–12 and end around 16-17."  (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puberty)

Medline gives an even lower age: 14 for girls and 16 for boys. (https://medlineplus.gov/puberty.html)

Also, nice trips!


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Because I see no reason to try and give the age of consent rights to someone the instant that someone finishes puberty. 18 is plenty soon after the effects of puberty have likely run their course. Furthermore, 18 also typically the age someone finishes high school around, marking a social shift into adulthood. It's also the point where many other things become legal for people, so I see zero problem in keeping age of consent at that same age mark.


So you'd bang a 14 year old girl and not think that was weird?


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>to try and give the age of consent rights to someone
I think that's the wrong way to think about it.  If you're going to convict and imprison someone for rape, I think you should be damn sure that the alleged victim really didn't consent.  If you say something like "Well, the alleged victim likely was mature enough to consent, but we're going to throw you in jail for rape anyway because it's administratively easier that way", I mean that just seems a bit wrong to me.


Why do you want to bang teenage girls so much, dude?


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I don't.


You seem adamant to justify the act.


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That doesn't mean that I personally want to do it.  Here's an example that might be easier for you to understand: I would adamantly defend the right of people to disrepectfully burn the American flag, even though I find such flag burning to be repulsive and offensive.


That's not a radiance, it's a Glaceon.

And why would you defend something you have in interest in doing?


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We should all try to protect everyone's rights, not just our own.  If people only look out for themselves, the world would be a lot nastier place to live.  Does that make sense, Manley?

*hugs and kajis*

Note the tripcode.  >>563406


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Oh, it's weird.  Just not immoral or damaging.


Why arey ou pretending to be Star?


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Because I rolled a 5.  Did you even look at the thread I that I linked?


I just looked at the post, not the whole thread.



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>That's not a radiance, it's a Glaceon.
Radiance sometimes avatars as a glaceon drinking a slurpee


I see. Well I don't know who Radiance is.


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Radiance is a well-known poster on efchan.  She also admins the /ef/ Discord server: https://discord.gg/0tbON7hNgjORWNLc


What's /ef/? Also, I see. Well, Glaceons ARE cute.


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>What's /ef/?



What he just described was /b/, a wretched hive of scum and villainy.


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A difference is that /ef/ doesn't allow porn (unless behind NSFW spoiler), and doesn't allow loli porn at all, but does allow pony.  Also /ef/ is much slower than /b/.  Also Steam Twist managed to get himself banned from /ef/ for spamming and posting disgusting inflation porn.


Oh, good. I assume he went back to whatever cave he was living in?


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He's shitting up /luna/ at the moment. He finally weighed himself though:
>Height: 66 inches
>Weight: 240 pounds
Even with very generous assumptions about his muscle mass, that puts him firmly in the "overweight" category, right on the edge of "obese": http://www.getchan.net/luna/res/101863.html#102047

Also he is still ranting about how the entire country of America is responsible for some random nutcase shooting up a place, and then he rages hard when it's pointed that he is an American himself.  http://www.getchan.net/luna/res/102154.html

Also he still puts sage in his """holy water""" and drinks it.


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Also, what do you think the age of consent should be?


We tried for months to get him to be less crazy, I'm not surprised he still is.

I don't think it should be lower than 16.



Holy crap, what a toxic dump of a mess he's making there. I'd ask why he's not banned there yet, but I guess that would just make him move somewhere else and it's nice that it's keeping him contained?


Since he's been banned, I'm pretty sure talking about him on here is not allowed. They got rid of him for a reason.


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>I'm pretty sure talking about him on here is not allowed.
Then why are you talking about him on here? :^)

Anyhow, I just checked the rules, and it's not disallowed.                                                                       


He was a psycho and his insanity got him banned. End of discussion.


>He was a psycho and his insanity got him banned.
I can't think of anyone who would reasonably disagree with that.


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>I don't think it should be lower than 16.
But earlier in this thread, you were implying that a 15-year-old boy would be lucky to score with an adult woman (>>562891, >>562744, >>562668).  But now you're saying that it would be rape?


15 year olds do things they shouldn't all the time. I don't think people under 18 should smoke, but lots of teenagers do anyway.


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But that's not the issue.  The issue is whether a 15-year-old has the capacity to consent to have sex.  If a 15-year-old boy has sex with an 16-year-old girl, do you think that the boy was automatically raped due to his age?


No, but that's why Romeo and Juliet laws exist. We were talking about an adult doing it.



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How does a 15-year-old have the capacity to consent to have sex with 16-year-old but not have the capacity to consent to have sex with a 21-year-old?  I don't see how that is possible.


Chrome already explained that to you days ago.

>>There's an inherent imbalance in power in that situation that is not appropriate in the slightest. Because that older person makes them feel special, or important, or "so mature for your age." It's manipulative, simple as that.

At this point you're intentionally being obtuse and making yourself look like a pedophile in the process.


>making yourself look like a pedophile in the process
How?  Pedophilia is specially sexual attraction to prepubescents, but we're talking about 15-year-olds.


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Suppose a 15-year-old boy and a 16-year-old girl meet a party and decide to have sex with each other that night.  Not rape, right?  Now let's keep everything the same except replace the 16-year-old with a 21-year-old.  How does that make the 15-year-old lose his capacity to consent to have sex?  I don't see any imbalance of power in this situation.


Playing semantic games is part of you being obtuse on purpose.


Because its a strawman situation you created.


It's not a strawman at all.  There have been cases of 18-year-olds being convicted of statutory """rape""" for having sex with their 17-year-old girlfriends.


Which is why Romeo and Juliet laws were made. That problem has already been addressed. >>563791


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