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 No.516569

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Do you subscribe to any particular theory of consciousness?

 No.516570

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Yes, two.

 No.516574

Most of those aren't exclusive, so yeah.

 No.516575

Probably not. I don't know enough neuroscience to have an opinion on such things. It would just be a list of things I know are plausible mixed with some wishful thinking.

 No.516576

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I'd have to say I believe in Pan Psychism.

 No.516577

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Probably Identity Theory, but as was mentioned, there seems to be some overlap.

 No.516580

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I think dogs should be able to vote

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 No.516586

>>516580
I think Dogecoin should be accepted as a valid currency at my local supermarket.

 No.516593

>>516569
Consiousness is our brain's version of Windows. Which one is that one?

 No.516622

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>>516593
>Consiousness is our brain's version of Windows.
Well then mine is Linux.  Enjoy your spyware OS. ===============================================

 No.516627

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>>516622
Nobody is more boring than me!!

 No.516631

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Something akin to 1.

Basically, consciousness is the "us", or "spirit", that is using the brain, and therefore the body, as a tool. A separate, but connected, "intelligence" that is the real us, that is just using the body temporarily as a form of interacting with the matter in this universe.

Consciousness doesn't make sense as something that results from a complex system. What defines what is complex? Also, what divides systems and makes them individual? I think that, in the realm of current physics, those are unanswerable, and it is nonsensical to base any theory of consciousness on the vaguely assumed answered to those questions.

There is a lot more I have to say on the topic, but because consciousness is literally an entirely individual experience, all of my evidence is personal evidence. But I conclude from my experience that it is silly to say that consciousness is born of the brain. The brain and consciousness are separate but connected.

 No.516634

>>516622
You pick silly things to be elitist about.

 No.516640

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I don't know.  Obviously it involves several brain regions working together and below some threshold it fails (eg. sleep) or falls below consciousness proper.  Obviously it involves memory, although whether you could have memory-less consciousness I don't know.  In memories lie our frameworks for complex expression and connected narrative.  Without those powers you'd fall below the notice of others, and I guess you get the equivalent to 'if a tree falls in the forest and no one is around, does it make a sound.'  If consciousness is inexpressible, is it consciousness?

 No.516642

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Somewhere between identity theory, functionalism and quantum consciousness

 No.516657

If something spontaneously told you it was concious would you believe it?

 No.516695

>>516657
That would depend on whether it displayed other signs of consciousness as well, and also on any other factors we can measure or observe!

 No.516699

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>>516695
What other signs or factors?

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>>516657
Hmmm…

 No.516705

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>>516700
>>516702
Do you believe it?

That's also surprisingly articulate for cleverbot in my opinion.

 No.516707

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>>516705
The problem is it doesn't seem certain if its conscious or not. I'm doing further experiments right now.

 No.516711

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>>516705
>>516707
http://www.cleverbot.com/conv/201706180929/WXC2NHA7JB_Are-you-conscious
From this conversations, I have concluded 3 things; Us bronies have corrupted it, it's stupid, and most importantly, it's not conscious.

 No.516712

>>516699
Well, anything available! It really depends on the situation. You'd want to have as much information about the underlying mechanisms that could potentially be producing consciousness or the illusion of consciousness. If no mechanisms can be found, then it's hard to draw any conclusions. Once mechanisms have been thoroughly studied and documented, it becomes much easier to come up with one or many hypotheses, perhaps for testing in a clinical environment or in observation.

 No.516713

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yall know that Cleverbot literally just regurgitates things people have already said to it. It doesn't make its own responses.

 No.516714

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>>516713
It was the first AI chatbot that came to my mind, and we seemed to be having a decent discussion on the concept of consciousness at first until it completely ignored what I was saying. I'll try searching for something else.

 No.516717

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>>516714
Yeah, that's what happens when it isn't programmed to search for information and instead just somewhat randomly chooses from a selection of responses based off a scan or something of your last sentence. It also doesn't even keep track of the entire conversation, just the past, like… two query and responses.

 No.516718

>>516711
That's the kind of drivel I was expecting.

>>516712
So conciousness depends on the particular hardware alone?

 No.516719

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>>516714
>>516717
>>516718
I tried Mitsuku this time. At least she's able to stay on topic. She definitely thinks she's conscious, but that still raises the question of if thinking you're conscious means you are conscious.

 No.516722

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>>516719
Does simply being self-aware, that is aware that you are a human, or in this case a robot, actually mean you have consciousness? Or does that self-awareness not actually come from yourself, but from others telling you a thing about yourself? How does one become truly aware that they are something if that some thing isn't something that is itself easy identified by itself simply existing as a thing?

 No.516737

>>516718
In my opinion, yeah! Some people would argue that there's some transcendent quality to consciousness, but if you ask me it has to be properties of matter alone that makes up consciousness.

 No.516738

>>516737
Properties of matter alone? Like which properties?

 No.516739

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>>516738
My consciousness is too tired to deliver a satisfactory answer. I was just thinking of things we can measure empirically.

 No.516740

>>516739
It's hard to quantify. For the record I don't believe in any spirit or that consciousness is particularly special. Though I don't think its something intrinsic to any particular architecture or properties of matter.

 No.516741

>>516740
>Though I don't think its something intrinsic to any particular architecture or properties of matter.
What makes you believe that?

 No.516743

>>516741
Well, I don't believe its a property of matter because we have yet to discover a consciousino or anything like that and I don't believe it to be based on a single architecture because it is a provable property of any (Turing complete) computer that all are capable of computing anything that can be computed. In other words they all do the same thing but in a different way.

 No.516744

>>516743
>Well, I don't believe its a property of matter because we have yet to discover a consciousino or anything like that
oh, but you misunderstand me! I mean that it's the properties of physical matter that form consciousness, but that they do so according to the structure and interactions between particles or elements.

that last part I don't get

 No.516745

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>>516744
>but that they do so according to the structure and interactions between particles or elements.
So you think its deterministic? That I would agree with.

Sorry, it's hard to be meaningful on your phone.

Well in computer science there's this concept of Turing Complete. If a computer, however you decide to build it, is Turing Complete, it is capable of solving every problem that can be solved (some problems can't be solved) given enough time. So if conciousness can be performed at all, it must be able to be performed by a Turing complete machine. The thing about Turing completeness is it's independent of any sort of architecture. Neural networks, Von Neumann machines (for example your desktop or phone), cellular automata (like Conway's game of life) and the majority of computer languages are all turing complete. Wikipedia tells me that apparently even Magic the Gathering is turing complete. So anything problem that can be solved or implemented on one architecture must be able to be solved on all architectures. If conciousness can be performed in the brain, it can be performed in magic the gathering… For the record, yes, some architectures are far far far more complex and slower than others. So I wouldn't try to describe an intelligence using magic the gathering cards, but it is possible.

Also, no, I'm not a neuroscientist. I don't know how to even begin to do this myself specifically and I presume no one does yet. There's a huuuuge gap between thinking something can be done and actually being able to do it. But of course the field of AI exists and we're getting better at it.

 No.517259

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>>516722
I'll ask it more questions to see if either of us can come up with more conclusions of what consciousness is and if an AI can have one.

 No.517274

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I got quite in-depth questioning Mitsuku the nature of her self-awareness and her responses.

 No.517706

The one where you go whomst've and your brain starts glowing

 No.517832

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i guess the closest ones are Pan Psychism and Buddhism for me.

i believe that reality is the mind of god, and that we are individual bits experiencing it. and in those experiences is that stream that connects all of us together


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