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 No.1042596

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do you think it is unreasonable to believe this whole life is just a simulation?  like were in some kind of virtual reality?

i am not saying i believe that or that is so

but what if?

 No.1042597

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There's really no way to have evidence for or against it. I don't really know or have an opinion on that particular idea. I like thinking about a hypothetical such as this, but that particular one I don't feel like I can do anything with the conclusion. If we were in a simulation, I'd go about my business as before, no reason not to, right?

 No.1042598

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Then your decisions and choices don't matter, not to mention that there's also the discussion about the illusion of choice.

So I'd say, even if it is not to look at it too much.

 No.1042600

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>>1042597
>>1042598
it's just something that has been rolling in my head for the last couple of years

i dont know why...but it has

 No.1042601

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>>1042600
Makes sense, it's not uncommon to question one's reality from time to time.

I'd find it more odd if people don't ask themselves what the idea of existing is. Is there a purpose? Is there a reason for it all? Or is it just a massive experiment that's still going on without any definitive answer?

Who knows, no one really knows, but we all try to come up with our own answers to that question. So don't think about it too hard.

 No.1042602

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i'm not wholesale against the idea that life is a simulation, as it would definitely answer a lot of unanswered questions about how life works, how matter works, and how conciousness runs.

but it seems to me to just be passing the buck, cause if our lives are a simulation, what is the simulation happening in? to insist we are in a simulation requires that something is running the simulation. are we in some sort of giant macro computer that is running this whole thing? are there higher beings that are controlling and altering our simulation? and if so, how do they function? are their physics and conciousness something that is unbound by the simulations? or is it just some sort of weird teurig machine all the way down of simulation upon simulation? that wouldn't make much sense without some sort of progenetor to the system that contains this/these simulation/s.

again, not against the idea, but it opens up more questions that would then need to be pursued.

 No.1042603

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I wouldn't say it's unreasonable.
But, I'd love to keep living in it as long as I can.
Even if it's a simulation, there are other simulated people I love dearly.

 No.1042604

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>>1042603
if the simulated love leads to real life positives, then it's real enough to count ^^

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>>1042601
>>1042602
i just wanna say, it's just something i was thinking of...

im sure of it one way or the other

>>1042603
i as well! i hope you live long and happy <3

 No.1042607

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>>1042605
it's a worthwhile thing to think of, and like i said, there would be many things that would be explained via the simulation model

i'm also saying that with it comes other questions. it could be right, it could be wrong, but it's human nature to answer questions ^^

 No.1042608

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>>1042605
Could always test that theory, that life's a simulation.

 No.1042609

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What if it is a simulation of a reality that is actually happening to you?

 No.1042610

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>>1042607
i just have a mind that makes think of these things, i guess

>>1042608
eh

>>1042609
now that is a whole new level

 No.1042611

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>>1042610
A view of the idea that your mind is constantly constructing a heavily interpreted but badly flawed simulation of your immediate reality based on a combination of past memories faulty wiring and badly limited real world data.

 No.1042612

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>>1042611
i just thought i was losing it...

 No.1042613

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>>1042610
Or... not... sorry if I was being abrasive.

 No.1042614

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It's not unreasonable, but it's also unprovable one way or another, and I'm not sure it would matter even if it was.

 No.1042615

This is one of those ideas that seems new but is actually ancient. It just used to be called "what if it's all just a dream someone else is dreaming". Ultimately it doesn't affect you in any way. These are question of the underlying substrate of reality so that fact may make you think they're important, but that's just bait to waste time and effort on them - they can never be answered and the answer wouldn't matter even if they could. After all, whether what's underneath it all is "really" a simulation, probability waves, a monologue of a god or really whatever else you can come up with, it changes nothing at all about your experience living a life on top of that.

 No.1042616

>but what if?
That still renders a whole lot of ways to deal with it, you know no really an awful change in attitudes towards life maybe.

 No.1042619

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 No.1042684

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>>1042613
you were not

>>1042614
it's just my mind running a lot...

>>1042615
>>1042619
life really does feel like a dream

it's weird

like, it just doesn't feel i am "here"

it's hard to explain

>>1042616
life just makes me curious, i guess

 No.1042690

>>1042684
>life really does feel like a dream

Careful, sometimes the cure for that ends up being your balls really caught in a vice for a long time.

 No.1042699

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>>1042690
i have been there and done that

i used to have a serious issue with alcohol addiction

was really bad too...

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 No.1042775

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Whoever likes simulating our world would only have to make a single simulation for it to be a flip of a coin whether this is "real" reality or the simulation.

With every simulation after that the chances of being in "real" reality simply gets smaller and smaller...
1/2 -> 1/3 -> 1/4 etc... And that's not even counting the simulations that create simulations...

It's probably better to ignore the thought. But if someone had the definitive answer your safest bet would probably be on this being a simulation.


I wonder about the thought itself though. Does it arrive from a sense of not being in control? Someone else's dream you say...
I am here because of the actions of past me working towards a goal, a dream. In that way I am in someone else's dream.
I feel powerless to change my position at times. Caught in this world that past me put me in...
What can I do to change it? I only have this moment? Past me had all the moments before this one!..
I know that does not account for the WHOLE world... But in a sense we are all caught in our individual worlds caused by the dreams of our past selves..

I am not a philosophical being. I think that much is obvious.
But where the feeling stems from may be more important than the answer to the question itself...

 No.1042776

If the simulation is perfect, it would be impossible for your brain to tell the difference between it and reality.

So a lot of those plot elements about the possibility of reality being a simulation from the Matrix was based on this book called "Simulacra and Simulation" by Jean Baudrillard. So I'd say its not "unreasonable" to wonder about the topic if people have published books and movies about the idea. So long as you don't get too obsessed with it like you do with that one pony. If you're interested in the topic, now you have a place to start researching.

That said, I think it's unlikely that reality is a simulation. It's too imperfect. Imperfection is actually very hard to simulate. But if reality IS a simulation, then I would want to know why whoever created the simulation decided to punish me with such a shitty one. Then I will hunt them down and gouge the eyes out.

 No.1042785

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>>1042775
i think i am likely overthinking it

it's just something i like to think about

you have good points though

>>1042776
>Imperfection is actually very hard to simulate
this is also something crosses my mind, too that rules out the theory in my head

this life of mine has far too many flaws

 No.1042812

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>>1042596
Ohhhhh i wrote out a whole big long text wall going on all about it, and then i realized you said "simulation" not "stimulation".

 No.1042884

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>>1042596
I think fundamentally the idea arises from the notion of technological singularity. The argument runs that, given the acceleration of technology and our ability to "simulate" our experience in terms of mathematics, it is statistically unlikely that "reality" as we encounter it is not also the film of some supervenient simulation. In the 50's, apocalyptic science fiction centered around the theme of artificial intelligence taking over human civilization; but the implication here is that humans discover that they are artificial intelligence. Thus, the simulation theory is both a form of creationism and, in a certain sense, a kind of "trans-humanism". In that case it is reasonable.

In structure, it reminds me of the Strong Anthropic Principle, which argues that since the conditions which make life possible on Earth are so highly specified (in a universe of mechanical mutation), and, besides that, the conditions which give rise to sapient life forms even more stringent, that none of it could have come about unintentionally. But there could be "real" laws which are hidden to our perception, which give the possibility of multiple universes (for instance). Then the "created" universe is a limitation of our sensibility or an identification; in the same way, it is worth remarking that creation myths in the past have also been framed in terms of a prevalent technology (the Iron Age Greek gods were smelters; in the seventeenth century god created the universe to run like a clock, etc).

As to 'what if'--well, what would that knowledge look like? That is, what would it be like to be able to make a clear distinction between reality and non-reality? What would the experience even be like?

 No.1043549

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Good thoughts, Mikie. Many people come up with this theory eventually, though often as a means to shirk responsibility of their choices thus far.

It's nice to see a decent philosophy thread going around. Best part is, it doesn't matter if you're wrong or right because there's no real way to prove any of it.

I'm glad you've got a handle on your drinking.

What about life feels like a dream?

 No.1043554

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It really doesn't matter if it is or not, does it?

Your feelings, thoughts and dreams, no matter if simulated or not, are real to you and those around you.

 No.1043560

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>>1042884
>>1043549
all of this life just seems like it's not here sometimes

like it seems like it's all set up so to speak

but like one has pointed out

life has some many flaws, it is hard to simulate that

its all just so confusing

>>1043554
thats true too

maybe i am just overthinking

 No.1043562

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>>1043560
I don't understand the argument that flaws are hard to simulate..?

Are flaws somehow bending the laws of physics?
If not, then why would they be different?

 No.1043564

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>>1043562
>I don't understand the argument that flaws are hard to simulate..?
nor do i

thats the issue!

also i think i might save that image

its pretty cool

 No.1043565

>>1043562
well, a really great example of this is strategy AIs, like Stockfish for Chess. predicting the best possible outcome is easy, and predicting the worst possible move also easy, but trying to choose a move between those is difficult for a computer, so finding a strength that a human can find entertaining is a huge challenge. many simulators I play against seem to be doing really well, then suddenly make a strange blunder even a human wouldn't make. it's as though they roll a probability die and choose a move based on that. I suppose you could analyze every single possible move, rank them in order from best to worst, and choose the item 70% from the top of the list, but that only works when there are few enough moves that a computer can calculate. In more complex games like Go, the computer cannot possibly calculate all outcomes very far forward, so it must choose sooner, which makes choosing the best or worst move even more difficult.

Designing a perfect machine, from an engineering standpoint, is easier than designing an imperfect one

 No.1043569

>>1043565

I think if we're imagining that someone could simulate the entire world, though, their capabilities of simulation aren't really in question.  Compared to where we are now, a perfect universal simulation is so massive that an imperfect one may as well just be assumed, because they're both in the realm of unimaginable.


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